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57 Previously Undiscovered Fast and Furious Guns Used in Mexican Crimes (Univision)
ABC News Univision ^ | Sunday, September 30, 2012 | Gerardo Reyes and Santiago Wills

Posted on 09/30/2012 6:03:12 PM PDT by kristinn

Fifty seven previously unidentified firearms linked to Operation Fast and Furious were recovered in sites associated with murders, kidnappings, and at least two gruesome massacres.

Univision News obtained the list of Fast and Furious weapons and a list containing almost 60,000 recovered firearms compiled by Mexico's Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional (SEDENA). A cross-reference of the serial numbers of the guns resulted in 96 full matches (several partial matches were discarded). The 96 firearms linked to Operation Fast and Furious all turned up at crime scenes in Mexico from 2009 to 2010.

In a report published on July 26, Congress mentioned there were "at least 48 recoveries involving 122 weapons [in Mexico] connected to Operation Fast and Furious." To check whether those were the same guns pinpointed by the data cross-reference, Univision News contacted congressional investigators asking for the serial numbers of the 122 guns in Congress' report. After an initial request by Univision News in mid-September and despite numerous phone calls and emails, there was no further response.

Univision News then gathered all the serial numbers available in the evidence appendixes of the major congressional investigation released by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Iowa Senator Charles Grassley last July.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; brianterry; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; jaimezapata; obama; terry; univision; zapata
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1 posted on 09/30/2012 6:03:17 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

One for each state!


2 posted on 09/30/2012 6:09:46 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: kristinn

Outrageous! I don’t know why the Mexican Government hasn’t declared war on us. PLEASE, everybody vote this administaration OUT.


3 posted on 09/30/2012 6:10:46 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: kristinn

On the front webpage of ABC news’ site and nary a word on Fox???? It is not a story on Fox’s website.


4 posted on 09/30/2012 6:11:05 PM PDT by BushCountry (I hope the Mayans are wrong!)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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5 posted on 09/30/2012 6:15:43 PM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: kristinn
I quote ABC:

ABC flak chuckers emphasize how the Obama Administration was mistreated by Republicans playing politics.

In Washington, the Fast and Furious scandal became politicized, diverting the attention from the human cost in Mexico to political battles on Capitol Hill. In June, a vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt ignored the real tragedy in Mexico . . . on September 25, Congressman Darrell Issa and Senator Charles Grassley, the politicians behind the Fast and Furious congressional report released in July . . . .

6 posted on 09/30/2012 6:17:50 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: MestaMachine

ping


7 posted on 09/30/2012 6:21:43 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I don’t know why the Mexican Government hasn’t declared war on us.


I strongly suspect the Mexican and American governments planned to blame the gun running crimes on American gun dealers and go for ending the second amendment. An ATF informant called them out when Terry got killed.

Remember when Obama first came in and made a fake claim that Americans arm drug lords which was exposed as a lie quickly by second amendment activists? F&F gun crimes was to be the “evidence.”


8 posted on 09/30/2012 6:23:31 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

Sara: That would make sense - if Mexico had been told of Fast and Furious. The problem with that idea is that Mexico was not told and therefore could not consent (or, for that matter, track the weapons). They are very, very, very angry about that.


9 posted on 09/30/2012 6:30:00 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

As well they should be. This is like Iran selling guns they know would be used by Hezbollah operatives in the US - and having those guns be documented as killing AT LEAST 300 US citizens.

This makes the death of one ambassador in Egypt seem pale by comparison. And all for Obama’s political agenda.

What Hispanics need to realize is that Obama leaves the door wide open for them - and for the terrorists who are right behind them, chasing them - not because he cares about them, but because they are pawns to him and his political agenda. That’s the same reason he gives guns to the drug cartels that are killing their women and children and hanging the corpses from bridges. It’s all for his agenda - which is the ONLY thing he cares about.

The corpses hanging from bridges, the beheaded bodies that show up in shallow graves, the rape trees all over Arizona, the no-go area in AZ that’s already been ceded to the drug cartesl - these ALL need to have signs on them saying “Funded by the Obama Administration”.

And if the Hispanics are anything but pushover wusses, they sure as HECK better be angry about it.


10 posted on 09/30/2012 6:34:50 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: ExpatGator

Dang, ya beat me to it...


11 posted on 09/30/2012 6:37:04 PM PDT by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: kristinn

Mexican media doing the job that American media won’t do.


12 posted on 09/30/2012 6:41:00 PM PDT by Eagles6 (DNC 2012 Convention: Celebrating infanticide and sodomy. Denying God.What could possibly go wrong?)
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To: kristinn

Only reported on ABC News website. After my last comment I decided to see if this would be news. CBS, NBC, FOX News, Reuters, AP News, etc... Nothing. It will disappear off of the pages of ABC tomorrow. The silence is deafening.


13 posted on 09/30/2012 6:42:51 PM PDT by BushCountry (I hope the Mayans are wrong!)
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To: SaraJohnson

Agree, just like the movie trailer was supposed to end our first amendments but also took a wrong turn. God is good.


14 posted on 09/30/2012 6:43:42 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: ExpatGator

:)


15 posted on 09/30/2012 6:44:34 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: kristinn

http://youtu.be/9Y1Zz3otzos


16 posted on 09/30/2012 6:49:02 PM PDT by RaceBannon (When Chuck Norris goes to bed, he checks under it for Clint Eastwood!)
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To: BushCountry

ABC and Univision have a deal for a joint channel so ABC is helping promote this.


17 posted on 09/30/2012 6:49:50 PM PDT by Conservative Vet
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Why declare war and start fighting? they have been invading and taking over for years.


18 posted on 09/30/2012 6:55:30 PM PDT by cableguymn (peace through strength. if they don't like you at least they will fear you.)
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To: butterdezillion

Obama will write this off as just another bump in the road.


19 posted on 09/30/2012 6:57:20 PM PDT by cableguymn (peace through strength. if they don't like you at least they will fear you.)
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To: cableguymn

Exactly, our FERAL Government under the Obama Administration will just let another 10 million invaders cross over the Rio Grande and grant them citizenship.

Then these new fine upstanding AmeriKans, will remit back to Meehico billions of dollars to keep the Meehican economy afloat.

Hell, the deal is already being struck.


20 posted on 09/30/2012 7:06:04 PM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Spktyr

That would make sense but...

Border Patrol Agent

Brian A. Terry
United States Department of Homeland Security - Customs and Border Protection - United States Border Patrol, U.S. Government

End of Watch: Wednesday, December 15, 2010

April 16, 2009 JOINT PRESS CONFERENCE WITH PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA AND PRESIDENT FELIPE CALDERÓN OF MEXICO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEVM0NrtMqk


21 posted on 09/30/2012 7:14:11 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: Spktyr

I think that muted outrage is a political act the Mexican government in the aftermath of the deal falling apart. I think they knew the plan and when it fell apart, got “outraged” for political cover, but not outraged enough to issue UN and National diplomatic protests and legal and gringo race bait threats like they do when an illegal is shot by a border patrol agent or when Arizona decides to stop the invasion.

I have yet to hear Mexico demand scalps, denounce Obama as a murderer like they normally would, and their activists and reporters are way too quiet about this American gun crime. They knew. If Obama, Jan the Man, and Holder goes down, they go down, too. That is the way government thugs work. So they flap their wings a little for the camera when they have to and make sure no one in power gives Republicans any legal or diplomatic traction.


22 posted on 09/30/2012 7:21:56 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: kristinn

23 posted on 09/30/2012 7:24:40 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: MurrietaMadman

ATF has already admitted on record that they did not inform any Mexican authorities and didn’t even tell any ATF agents stationed in Mexico. If 0bama told Calderon what was going on Calderon kept it to himself.


24 posted on 09/30/2012 7:28:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: SaraJohnson

See post #24.


25 posted on 09/30/2012 7:29:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye; SaraJohnson

See post 22.


26 posted on 09/30/2012 7:33:39 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: kristinn

The great thing about this is whose fault this isn’t.


27 posted on 09/30/2012 7:36:11 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: kristinn
Did you catch the name of the Navy member that was executed in that bar in Juarez, Mexico towards the end of the video? Seems he and 6 others in that bar were targeted for execution.

BTW: I saved a copy of the Univision video to my HD so when it disappears off the net I can put it back up on YouTube. If you want a copy let me know.

28 posted on 09/30/2012 7:39:13 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: MurrietaMadman
If 0bama or Calderon want to come out and admit they collaborated on this then fine. As of now Issa and Grassley have sworn testimony in House and Senate records that Mexico was not apprised of the F&F operation.

As for Mexico calling for scalps, there have been plenty of articles of Mexican officials calling for investigations and castigating the U.S.

29 posted on 09/30/2012 7:39:25 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: kristinn

If we had REAL journalists they’d be banging on the front door of La Raza asking for a comment....


30 posted on 09/30/2012 7:45:10 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: usconservative; kristinn
Correction:

at 2:30 in the video, we learn that 24 year old David Booher, an Air Force medic was executed on November 4th, 2009 in Bar Amadeus in Juarez, Mexico using one of the guns that Eric Holder ordered to be allowed to cross the US/Mexico border, as part of Fast & Furious.

Eric Holder is guilty of MURDER.

I sure hope Congressman Issa saw this video tonight and starts issuing Subpoena's again. Eric Holder has alot of explaining to do - ON HIS WAY TO FEDERAL PRISON for the MURDER of an American Serviceman.

31 posted on 09/30/2012 7:49:04 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: SaraJohnson
Interestingly, the Fast and Furious weapons in Mexico's possession seemed to have been used in crimes in 2009 and 2010 and there is no mention of the use of any F&F guns being used in crimes after 2010.

Prior to 2009, Mexico was already experiencing gang driven violence at a comparatively low level and most of the violence was between the cartels and directed at drug runners.

Starting in 2009 that changed.During that same 2009 to 2010 time period when the Obama Administration was pumping thousands of across the border with F&F, the gang violence in Mexico exploded with gruesome and senseless killings. Unlike prior to 2009, much of the new hyper violence was random and directed at innocent bystanders, tourists, and government officials who were not gang members.

The media in the US was reporting these killings in sensationalistic way and climbing that guns crossing the border from US to Mexico were responsible.

At the same time, Janet Napolitano’s DHS was preparing reports that guns bought in American gun stores were crossing the border fueling the violence in Mexico ( we later find that Dennis K. Burke, Napolitano’s Ex Chief of Staff when she was AZ Gov and also one the closest and oldest of Napolitano’s circle of insiders was the guy sending them across the border) and began drafting regulations to restrict gun sales in border states.

At the same time Dianne Fienstein was putting together a coordinated effort to use the violence in Mexico as justification for new gun ban legislation.

At the end of 2010, the Republicans won control of the House and F&F began to unravel in the wake of Agent Terry's murder using F&F weapons after Jan 2011 when the Republicans took over the House and began investigations that the Democrats could no long cover up. The Democrat Senate continued to try too block a parallel Senate investigation.

A major member of the Sinoloa Drug Cartel was arrested and testified that the Obama Administration had taken sides with them to eliminate their rival cartels in the drug war and the Administration was allowing the Sinaloa Cartel freedom to operate and smuggle drugs across the border and in the US.

Soon after the Republican’s took control of the House and started their investigation in 2011 and began publicizing F&F and going after the people in the US government who were running F&F the violence epidemic in Mexico rapidly decreased from it's 2009-2010 fever pitch, down to levels that were actually lower than before 2009. There was no event or reason in Mexico that could explain the abrupt decrease in gang driven violence in Mexico, just as there was no obvious reason for the abrupt false up of violence in 2009. The only event that seemed to coincide with the abrupt drop in violence in Mexico was the Republican Oversight Control in the House and Issa's freedom to begin investigations in the United States of the Obama Administrations involvement and conduct trafficking guns into Mexico with F&F

Now we find evidence to suggest that use of F&F weapons may have slowed way down or stopped turning up in Mexican crimes and murders after the end of 2010 when Agent Terry was murdered and Issa began his congressional F&F investigation. There are literally thousands of F&F guns still floating around Mexico unaccounted for. The rate of guns crossing into Mexico under F&F was actually relatively low in 2009 and the big ramp up in F&F weapons transfer actually began towards the end of 2010 with a huge increase in volume planned for 2011 until Agent Terry's murder brought the plan to a halt in December 2010. Despite the fact that most of the F&F weapons crossed into Mexico in mid to late 2010, according to Mexican officials, most of the weapons recovered at crime scenes and murders in Mexico seem to be from the 2009 and 2010 time period when only a small fraction of the waked weapons were in Mexico, and there seem to be not so many used after 2010, when the actual majority of the walked F&F weapons began filtering down into Mexico

A lot of very strange series of coincidences at play it seems

32 posted on 09/30/2012 7:49:56 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: TigersEye
As of now Issa and Grassley have sworn testimony in House and Senate records that Mexico was not apprised of the F&F operation.

As of April 16, 2009 there is proof they did. And the press conference announcement is on you tube.

33 posted on 09/30/2012 7:50:34 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: SaraJohnson

Um, actually, there have been outcries reported right here on FR. They ARE demanding scalps, denouncing the administration, etc., etc.


34 posted on 09/30/2012 7:54:36 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: MurrietaMadman

We all looked at the press conference over a year ago here and it doesn’t prove anything. There is no mention of F&F and no mention of the strategies used.


35 posted on 09/30/2012 7:55:42 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: rdcbn

Go ya one further.....?somebody in the administration was shooting for a piece of the narco biz.....which is the reason for the bump in violence......and a Republican Congress terminated their efforts.


36 posted on 09/30/2012 7:56:03 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: butterdezillion

“Hispanics” are not a one race group like the liberals protray. Hispanics are different races (red, black, white) from very different nations south of the US border. Columbians don’t care about Mexicans.

For example, White Mexicans don’t hate whitey; they do business with and share middle class life with La Raza’s gringos. La raza is a racist group of Mexicans fighting old wars lost by Mexico and the Spanish invasion - like the Klan still angry over losing the civil war or American indians still mad the White Europeans settled here. They don’t have a lot of people involved in that.

Liberals are trying to create a “race” united by gringo resentment and hate with a united false “hispanic” history among stupid American offspring who don’t know their own Nation of origins and personal histories. They want a political bloc and they pretend it is a separate, brown colored socialist “race” allied with the socialist American black tribe against whitey.

So...I don’t expect real Americans from Mexico are going to give a hoot about this unless liberals blow the race hate dog whistle for the young brainwashed ones. Liberals are not going to do that with Obammy. People from Columbia won’t care; the US has done worse to Columbia and Mexicans did not care. The “hispanic” race is all liberal manipulation of young people’s perceptions and ignorance.


37 posted on 09/30/2012 7:56:27 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: MurrietaMadman

Yup, but it wasn’t Fast And Furious that Calderon was briefed in on. They were told that the US would be instigating a new program and would be cracking down on US citizens. That was the last the Mexicans heard until they discovered the F&F guns.


38 posted on 09/30/2012 7:57:28 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: rdcbn

Amazing post you have there. An excellent summary.


39 posted on 09/30/2012 7:58:42 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: SaraJohnson

You are super smart. This is an amazing thread.

I’m writing this brief obsequious-sounding stuff cuz i’m in an iphone.


40 posted on 09/30/2012 8:03:39 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Spktyr

I said, “but not outraged enough to issue UN and National diplomatic protests and legal and gringo race bait threats like they do when an illegal is shot by a border patrol agent or when Arizona decides to stop the invasion.”

You said “um,....”


Give me links to the UN protests Mexico has filed against the US (like they did against Arizona), the legal cases the Mexican government has filed (like they did against Arizona)and demands for Obama’s and Holder’s scalp for running this attack on Mexico.

Give me links to the President of Mexico denouncing Obama and Holder and demanding their scalps...or even demanding Holder and Obama to cooperate with Republicans in the investigation. How about him thanking Republicans for exposing the murders...? Anything that is beyond Mexican political wing flappping? Thanks a lot.


41 posted on 09/30/2012 8:11:53 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: TigersEye

I went back to the video to get a time frame for you but the video is currently unavailable. Funny that, huh?

Back to the game.


42 posted on 09/30/2012 8:17:09 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: rdcbn

A lot of very strange series of coincidences at play it seems


Great summary of this case. And we still don’t know the half of it. Obama and Holder are hiding documents.

The US government playing one Mexican drug war group against the other and sacrificing a lot of human life along the way. Those drug gangs reach into our country and the US government’s drug deals reach here, too. They will do or are doing the same to us as they are doing in Mexico.

Americans are dying for their choice to support a side in the drug war - like Agent Terry and a lot of unnamed nobodies. They are permitting drugs by their pals to cross the border and to be dealt here. They don’t want Americans adding up what they are doing with this. They are treating us like they treat any foreign third world country (i.e. Columbia) where they are empowering and manipulating serious war groups to get control.

This is the extent of the dirty “law enforcement” operation Holder and Obama are hiding from the public.


43 posted on 09/30/2012 8:24:13 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: TigersEye

If 0bama told Calderon what was going on Calderon kept it to himself.


Ofcourse he’d keep it to himself after they got busted by an informant! He’s a poltican. And a thug like our thug. What’s he going to say, “I confess to knowing about the US government equiping drug lords with guns?”

Mexico has a serious case of corrupt thug government; we are catching up fast. You know about the corrupt police and military are involved in the illegal human trafficking, murder and drug trade, right? No political group or individual in power stands separate from the corruption that is Mexico’s power structure and culture.


44 posted on 09/30/2012 8:34:12 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: MurrietaMadman
Here you go this link works.

Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious posted on Jul 8, 2011

Got that from my bookmarks. If you liked that here's one of Eric Holder's 2nd in command talking about the same thing.

Holder aide discussing 'Gunrunner' in March, 2009 : Eric Holder lied to Congress

Here is a thread from July 2011 talking about it.

AG Holder discussed "Project Gun Runner" in April 2009 in Mexico. BUSTED!

Here's a WH press room meeting with Napolitano, the Assistant AG and Deputy Sec. State Jim Steinberg talking about the same thing on Mar. 24 2009.

Obama knew about Gun Walking in March, 2009.mp4

I'm pretty familiar with the timelines. My bookmarks on this subject take literally more than two minutes to auto-scroll through from top to bottom.

45 posted on 09/30/2012 8:46:35 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: SaraJohnson

And your point is?


46 posted on 09/30/2012 8:47:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: gaijin

I’m not “super smart.” I live in Texas and was not born yesterday.


47 posted on 09/30/2012 9:15:15 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: TigersEye

Thanks, but I’m pretty familiar with the discussions that took place here.

And that video is no longer blocked. If you go to the 3:28 mark you’ll hear Calderon saying Obama made recent decisions in the last few weeks that includes reviews of the outgoing flows of entry. Sorry, that’s not verbatim but you can hear his exact words at that you tube link.

Then at 4:30 Calderon starts talking about tracking the weapons into Mexico. The idea sounds quite novel and there is that degree of coincidence one must take into account. If you believe in coincidence at that level of governance.

BTW. Calderon ends with the stated hope that these weapons are not used against US officials.Veiled threat or another coincidence?

I think I’ll stick to my belief that high ranking Mexican officials knew all about Fast and Furious, thank you.


48 posted on 09/30/2012 9:23:14 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: SaraJohnson

It’s not just Mexicans that have suffered because of Obama’s arming of drug cartels and his lawlessness. Obama’s been happy to stiff them all.


49 posted on 09/30/2012 9:23:27 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: MurrietaMadman
I thought you said it was "proof!" LOL

Nice deflection.

50 posted on 09/30/2012 9:29:48 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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