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57 Previously Undiscovered Fast and Furious Guns Used in Mexican Crimes (Univision)
ABC News Univision ^ | Sunday, September 30, 2012 | Gerardo Reyes and Santiago Wills

Posted on 09/30/2012 6:03:12 PM PDT by kristinn

Fifty seven previously unidentified firearms linked to Operation Fast and Furious were recovered in sites associated with murders, kidnappings, and at least two gruesome massacres.

Univision News obtained the list of Fast and Furious weapons and a list containing almost 60,000 recovered firearms compiled by Mexico's Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional (SEDENA). A cross-reference of the serial numbers of the guns resulted in 96 full matches (several partial matches were discarded). The 96 firearms linked to Operation Fast and Furious all turned up at crime scenes in Mexico from 2009 to 2010.

In a report published on July 26, Congress mentioned there were "at least 48 recoveries involving 122 weapons [in Mexico] connected to Operation Fast and Furious." To check whether those were the same guns pinpointed by the data cross-reference, Univision News contacted congressional investigators asking for the serial numbers of the 122 guns in Congress' report. After an initial request by Univision News in mid-September and despite numerous phone calls and emails, there was no further response.

Univision News then gathered all the serial numbers available in the evidence appendixes of the major congressional investigation released by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Iowa Senator Charles Grassley last July.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; brianterry; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; jaimezapata; mexico; missuniverse; missusa; obama; terry; univision; zapata
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To: Spktyr

I said, “but not outraged enough to issue UN and National diplomatic protests and legal and gringo race bait threats like they do when an illegal is shot by a border patrol agent or when Arizona decides to stop the invasion.”

You said “um,....”


Give me links to the UN protests Mexico has filed against the US (like they did against Arizona), the legal cases the Mexican government has filed (like they did against Arizona)and demands for Obama’s and Holder’s scalp for running this attack on Mexico.

Give me links to the President of Mexico denouncing Obama and Holder and demanding their scalps...or even demanding Holder and Obama to cooperate with Republicans in the investigation. How about him thanking Republicans for exposing the murders...? Anything that is beyond Mexican political wing flappping? Thanks a lot.


41 posted on 09/30/2012 8:11:53 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: TigersEye

I went back to the video to get a time frame for you but the video is currently unavailable. Funny that, huh?

Back to the game.


42 posted on 09/30/2012 8:17:09 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: rdcbn

A lot of very strange series of coincidences at play it seems


Great summary of this case. And we still don’t know the half of it. Obama and Holder are hiding documents.

The US government playing one Mexican drug war group against the other and sacrificing a lot of human life along the way. Those drug gangs reach into our country and the US government’s drug deals reach here, too. They will do or are doing the same to us as they are doing in Mexico.

Americans are dying for their choice to support a side in the drug war - like Agent Terry and a lot of unnamed nobodies. They are permitting drugs by their pals to cross the border and to be dealt here. They don’t want Americans adding up what they are doing with this. They are treating us like they treat any foreign third world country (i.e. Columbia) where they are empowering and manipulating serious war groups to get control.

This is the extent of the dirty “law enforcement” operation Holder and Obama are hiding from the public.


43 posted on 09/30/2012 8:24:13 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: TigersEye

If 0bama told Calderon what was going on Calderon kept it to himself.


Ofcourse he’d keep it to himself after they got busted by an informant! He’s a poltican. And a thug like our thug. What’s he going to say, “I confess to knowing about the US government equiping drug lords with guns?”

Mexico has a serious case of corrupt thug government; we are catching up fast. You know about the corrupt police and military are involved in the illegal human trafficking, murder and drug trade, right? No political group or individual in power stands separate from the corruption that is Mexico’s power structure and culture.


44 posted on 09/30/2012 8:34:12 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: MurrietaMadman
Here you go this link works.

Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious posted on Jul 8, 2011

Got that from my bookmarks. If you liked that here's one of Eric Holder's 2nd in command talking about the same thing.

Holder aide discussing 'Gunrunner' in March, 2009 : Eric Holder lied to Congress

Here is a thread from July 2011 talking about it.

AG Holder discussed "Project Gun Runner" in April 2009 in Mexico. BUSTED!

Here's a WH press room meeting with Napolitano, the Assistant AG and Deputy Sec. State Jim Steinberg talking about the same thing on Mar. 24 2009.

Obama knew about Gun Walking in March, 2009.mp4

I'm pretty familiar with the timelines. My bookmarks on this subject take literally more than two minutes to auto-scroll through from top to bottom.

45 posted on 09/30/2012 8:46:35 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: SaraJohnson

And your point is?


46 posted on 09/30/2012 8:47:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: gaijin

I’m not “super smart.” I live in Texas and was not born yesterday.


47 posted on 09/30/2012 9:15:15 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: TigersEye

Thanks, but I’m pretty familiar with the discussions that took place here.

And that video is no longer blocked. If you go to the 3:28 mark you’ll hear Calderon saying Obama made recent decisions in the last few weeks that includes reviews of the outgoing flows of entry. Sorry, that’s not verbatim but you can hear his exact words at that you tube link.

Then at 4:30 Calderon starts talking about tracking the weapons into Mexico. The idea sounds quite novel and there is that degree of coincidence one must take into account. If you believe in coincidence at that level of governance.

BTW. Calderon ends with the stated hope that these weapons are not used against US officials.Veiled threat or another coincidence?

I think I’ll stick to my belief that high ranking Mexican officials knew all about Fast and Furious, thank you.


48 posted on 09/30/2012 9:23:14 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: SaraJohnson

It’s not just Mexicans that have suffered because of Obama’s arming of drug cartels and his lawlessness. Obama’s been happy to stiff them all.


49 posted on 09/30/2012 9:23:27 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: MurrietaMadman
I thought you said it was "proof!" LOL

Nice deflection.

50 posted on 09/30/2012 9:29:48 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye

And I thought you said there was no mention of the strategies used.


51 posted on 09/30/2012 9:44:16 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: MurrietaMadman
Was there any mention of using straw buyers? No. Was there any mention of letting them cross the border? No. Was there any mention that they wouldn't follow the guns or smugglers in any way? No. Was there any mention that no Mexican LE would be notified? No.

None of the things that make F&F wrong and lethal were mentioned. No operational names were mentioned either so no proof of anything directly tying 0bama, Holder or Napolitano there.

52 posted on 09/30/2012 9:53:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye

I think you lost track of the argument.

Your original message stated: Sara: That would make sense - if Mexico had been told of Fast and Furious. The problem with that idea is that Mexico was not told and therefore could not consent (or, for that matter, track the weapons).

I provided a link to Calderone saying enough on April 16, 2009 to prove he, the head of the Mexican government, knew about Obama’s intention to track weapons just about the time the murders in Mexico took off to new levels.

You’re saying that because the president of Mexico didn’t mention straw buyers in a public address, all that he did say, and he did mention tracking weapons, failed to make you suspect that he, therefore Mexico, didn’t have the teensiest idea of the Fast and Furious plan?

Are you saying Calderone was duped? If so, let us know how you reached that conclusion. Tomorrow.

I’m going to bed.


53 posted on 09/30/2012 10:28:00 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: MurrietaMadman
Shat I'm saying couldn't be more obvious. Mexican LE was never informed of smugglers crossing the border with guns. And nothing in the video is "proof" that 0bama knew about what F&F was doing or Calderon either. I think he did but the video doesn't prove anything.

On the other hand maybe I am all wrong and you should get a hold of Issa ASAP and tell him you found the proof.

54 posted on 09/30/2012 10:35:30 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye
Shat = What

That was an unfortunate typo. lol

55 posted on 09/30/2012 10:50:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: butterdezillion

True.


56 posted on 09/30/2012 11:52:49 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: kristinn
So ABC is reduced to reporting the Univision news.

How far they have fallen.

57 posted on 10/01/2012 4:21:56 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TigersEye; SaraJohnson

Your DOJ like insistence that Mexico was never informed of smugglers crossing the borders with guns is approaching a level of absurdity the democrats own.

Earlier you based your belief on sworn ATF testimony. You might want to keep in mind the ATF is downstream of Holder, who, correct me if I’m wrong, was censured by Congress for contempt based on his obstructive testimony.

Now I’m going to deflect to the definition of proof since you appear to think my earlier statement about the Calderone video is reason for ridicule.

Proof is anything that can be used to establish a fact. I believe what Calderone said in that video is proof of his knowlege that the WH/DOJ scheme was in place.

You, it appears, are confusing my use of the term proof with the legal definition of evidence.

It’s unlikely Senator Grassley nor Congressman Issa need my input.

Your assertion to SaraJohnson that Mexico was uninformed, however, required some discussion. Thanks for creating the opportunity to reinforce the idea of international collusion.

I’m off to work now so further replies, if needed, won’t happen until tomorrow


58 posted on 10/01/2012 9:03:16 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: MurrietaMadman
You, it appears, are confusing my use of the term proof with the legal definition of evidence.

Silly me. LOL

59 posted on 10/01/2012 11:11:59 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: SaraJohnson

Who said you were born yesterday?


60 posted on 10/01/2012 2:03:25 PM PDT by gaijin
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