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Top U.S. Commander in Afghanistan: We’re Willing to Fight – But ‘Not Willing to Be Murdered'
cnsnews.com ^ | 10/1/12 | Susan Jones

Posted on 10/01/2012 6:56:59 AM PDT by Evil Slayer

(CNSNews.com) - Gen. John Allen, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, says he's "mad as hell" about the increasing number of insider attacks, in which Afghan soldiers and police murder the Americans who are trying to train them.

"You know, we're willing to sacrifice a lot for this campaign. But we're not willing to be murdered for it," Gen. Allen told CBS' "60 Minutes" in a segment that aired on Sunday.

Gen. Allen told CBS Correspondent Lara Logan that the insider attacks will continue: "The enemy recognizes this is a vulnerability. You know, in Iraq, the signature weapon system that we hadn't seen before was the IED. We had to adjust to that. Here, I think the signature attack that we're beginning to see the -- is going to be the insider attack."

Allen also said "the vast majority” of Afghans are "with us in this." He noted that a number of Afghans have been killed trying to save NATO forces from rogue Afghans.

A Taliban commander -- described as a specialist in suicide bombings who was trained by al Qaeda -- also spoke to "60 Minutes," telling Lara Logan that the Taliban is behind the insider attacks:

"These are Taliban attacks," the unnamed man said. "This is part of our new military strategy. We have our people in the Afghan police and the army. And the orders come from the top."

The Taliban representative told CBS that al Qaeda fights are flowing into Afghanistan, helping to make the Taliban more effective in killing NATO troops:

"We can't do this without them (al Qaeda)," he said. "They are masters of everything. For example, making IEDs, something we don't know how to do. But they are teaching us. They are also master engineers and good

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KEYWORDS: afghanistan; afghanpolice; afghanwar; alqaeda; genjohnallen; greenonblue; ieds; insiderattacks; johnallen; roe; suicidebombings; taliban
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1 posted on 10/01/2012 6:57:08 AM PDT by Evil Slayer
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To: Evil Slayer

He will be gone in 5-4-3


2 posted on 10/01/2012 7:01:24 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: Evil Slayer

“Allen also said “the vast majority” of Afghans are “with us in this.”

Dream on. They’re MUSLIMS. They HATE us. Their religion tells them to.

WAKE UP!


3 posted on 10/01/2012 7:01:24 AM PDT by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Evil Slayer
"You know, we're willing to sacrifice a lot for this campaign. But we're not willing to be murdered for it," Gen. Allen told CBS' "60 Minutes" in a segment that aired on Sunday.

Gen. Allen told CBS Correspondent Lara Logan that the insider attacks will continue..."

So he knows insider attacks are happening, he isn't going to do anything about it, and he knows they are going to continue. Frankly, it sounds like he is willing to let the troops get murdered.

4 posted on 10/01/2012 7:02:18 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Evil Slayer

CBS version of “FAIR & BALANCED”.

Interview US Commander AND Taliban


5 posted on 10/01/2012 7:02:56 AM PDT by slorunner
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To: Evil Slayer

Time to leave this hell-hole. Any major problems in the future, we bomb the #@$% out of them!


6 posted on 10/01/2012 7:06:32 AM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: ZULU

Hear! Hear! Right there in the dam* quran.


7 posted on 10/01/2012 7:08:39 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Evil Slayer

These “incidents” would probably stop if senior American commanders went on patrol with the young soldiers they are ordering to patrol with the Afghans. Why? We would then soon pull out of that mud hole.


8 posted on 10/01/2012 7:09:23 AM PDT by allendale
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To: Evil Slayer
Gen. Allen ought to hold a press conference to announce his resignation because of these circumstances.

It is unconscionable that people are being murdered over there because the rules of engagement deliberately put our troops at a disadvantage. The same with the Embassy in Benghazi, the Marines and protecting force was NOT allowed to carry live ammo. What??

Why do we do this? Why do we allow our great American kids to be sitting ducks? Would any father send his 9 year old son across a busy highway? Of course not. Then why are we deliberately sending these kids into harms way unprotected?

9 posted on 10/01/2012 7:16:56 AM PDT by Obadiah (The corrupt MSM is the enemy of the American people.)
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To: Evil Slayer; mickie
The Islamic soldiers are only "with us" because they are pulling a steady American-paid paycheck in a ravaged country.

Now that the American troops are slowly being withdrawn, the muzzies are uneasily sticking around but at the same time are looking toward hooking up with the rebels for their next steady pay check.

They may qualify for a larger rebel pay check if they off a few G I's before withdrawal is complete.

Leni

10 posted on 10/01/2012 7:17:33 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Evil Slayer
The 1960s Marxist-Alinsky campus radical, psycho spoiled brats were celebrated in the establishment MSM as the most intelligent generation ever!. They are now arguably that very establishment that praised them and they hold themselves and their ideological issue in even higher regard.

They hijacked the now defunct Democratic Party in the 1970s. Abe will explain from "the other side."

You initiated a policy to tolerate the Marxist-Alinsky radicals and let them rant; not only has it not ceased but was constantly augmented by decades of infiltration and indoctrination. You now have two Americas. In my opinion, it will not cease until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half statist and half free; I do not expect the house to fall; but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other.

That crisis is fast approaching. The military will have to choose sides.

11 posted on 10/01/2012 7:17:55 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: pepsi_junkie

“You know, we’re willing to sacrifice a lot for this campaign. But we’re not willing to be murdered for it,” Gen. Allen told CBS’ “60 Minutes” in a segment that aired on Sunday.
Gen. Allen told CBS Correspondent Lara Logan that the insider attacks will continue...”

So he knows insider attacks are happening, he isn’t going to do anything about it, and he knows they are going to continue. Frankly, it sounds like he is willing to let the troops get murdered.

It seems to me that he has had his ROE given to him and there is nothing he can do to protect the troops.if I were in his shoes I would Resign.


12 posted on 10/01/2012 7:18:45 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: ZULU

I, too am tired of this “vast majority like us”, “it’s only the radicals we’re worried about” BS. Read the koran! Talk to muzzies that have converted to Christianity. They’ll tell you the truth.


13 posted on 10/01/2012 7:18:59 AM PDT by albie ("Work as if you were to live a hundred years. Pray as if you were to die tomorrow." Benjamin Frankli)
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To: Obadiah
Gen. Allen ought to hold a press conference to announce his resignation because of these circumstances.

Frankly I cannot imagine the level of patriotism required to be able to agree to serve and risk life & limb under the bottom feeders running this country.

14 posted on 10/01/2012 7:20:47 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Evil Slayer

Cancer cells in humans are human cells, but they are not on the same program as the rest of the host body. Individual cells may look innocent: at any given moment they may not all be invading and destroying vital organs, and yet they are all programmed to do so. The natural history of the disease is plain. Without treatment, the host will die a horrible death. Effective treatments are radical: surgery, radiation, chemotherapy. There is no other way.


15 posted on 10/01/2012 7:22:05 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Obadiah
This may be politically incorrect, but here's my solution to the problem:

Identify the family members of each murderer, and remove them from Afghanistan...dead or alive.

Send 'em back when we leave Afghanistan in two years.

Gen. Allen ought to hold a press conference to announce his resignation because of these circumstances.

The general has failed those under his command. If he won't take the gloves off and take it to the enemy (where ever they may be), who will?

16 posted on 10/01/2012 7:26:21 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: Evil Slayer

“We’re Willing to Fight – But ‘Not Willing to Be Murdered’”

therefore? what?......


17 posted on 10/01/2012 7:26:58 AM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: MinuteGal
I think you are absolutely correct. "[T]he American troops are slowly being withdrawn" and the locals are looking to win favor from the other side -- at least in some of the cases.

I will add, because I remember the news items, what happened to the rebels in Hungary after we encouraged them and then stood by watching as the Soviet tanks rolled, the betrayal of the promise to supply South Viet Nam if the Communists violated the peace agreement, the people murdered by Saddam after the Gulf War ended -- I do not want to even think about the myriad forms of torture the Taliban and various Islamists have waiting for the ones who cooperate with the foreigners.

18 posted on 10/01/2012 7:32:38 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: ZULU
"Dream on. They’re MUSLIMS. They HATE us. Their religion tells them to."

Starting with the one in the White House.

19 posted on 10/01/2012 7:35:22 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: slorunner

Just interview Obama then. He’s both.


20 posted on 10/01/2012 7:38:39 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: albie

If they are mostly “moderate”, why is it that there can always be large crowds of them found when they want to protest about their “rights” or banning free speech or something like that-right here in the US-but I have never seen one, not even one, out protesting after an attack on the US? The only “moderate” muzzies are those who are non-practicing, and even they don’t protest against the violence.


21 posted on 10/01/2012 7:44:14 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Evil Slayer

AGAIN I say: EVERY Afghani, soldier or Police, needs to be “marked” by a US soldier. If they raise a weapon at any US soldier they need to be dispatched with extreme prejudice.

Summarily execute by firing squad anyone wearing a uniform that attacks Americans. We did it in WW2.

Like Israel, when an Afghani goes rogue, MAKE HIS FAMILY AND VILLAGE pay a high price. Bulldoze the family homes and village. Forcibly transplant them 500 miles to an unfamiliar part of the country where they will be occupied with struggling to survive.

Finally, GET OUR TROOPS OUT! Tell Afghan government that the skies will be full of drones monitoring all activity. Anything considered of hostile intent, like terrorist training camps, will be destroyed without notice.

Unleash 500,000 feral pigs in the poppy fields responsible for so much heroin. The drug lords will be forced to employ countless Afghani’s who normally join the Taliban and AQ, to protect the Poppy fields.

OR, just Nuke the country from orbit. It is the only way to be sure.


22 posted on 10/01/2012 7:48:21 AM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: Evil Slayer

GEN Dempsey to GEN Allen: “Follow the script or risk being cashiered.”


23 posted on 10/01/2012 7:48:24 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: ZULU
Those who think they're going to get anything else but more of this pc crap out of Mitt Romney are deluding themselves.

"I didn't refer to Islam at all, or to any other religion for that matter. I spoke about three major threats America faces on a long term basis. Jihadism is one of them, and that is not Islam. If you want my views on Islam, it's quite straightforward. Islam is one of the world's great religions and the great majority of people in Islam want peace for themselves and peace with their maker. They wan t to raise families and have a bright future. There is, however, a movement in the world known as jihadism. They call themselves jihadists and I use the same term. And this jihadist movement is intent on causing the collapse of moderate Muslim states and the assassination of moderate Muslim leaders. It is also intent on causing collapse of other nations in the world. It's by no means a branch of Islam. It is instead an entirely different entity. In no way do I suggest it is a part of Islam."

-- Mitt Romney


24 posted on 10/01/2012 7:48:28 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If your only choice is evil, you've either died and gone to hell, or you're a Republican.)
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To: Evil Slayer

I understand Obama will be “helping” by not allowing any more close air support for our troops. That should eliminate those nasty headlines when a chopper goes down. Do the R.O.E. remain the same? You can’t shoot unless the enemy kills you first.


25 posted on 10/01/2012 7:50:46 AM PDT by anoldafvet (One million people attended Obama's inauguration, 14 of them missed work)
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To: puppypusher
“You know, we’re willing to sacrifice a lot for this campaign. But we’re not willing to be murdered for it,” Gen. Allen told CBS’ “60 Minutes” in a segment that aired on Sunday. Gen. Allen told CBS Correspondent Lara Logan that the insider attacks will continue...” So he knows insider attacks are happening, he isn’t going to do anything about it, and he knows they are going to continue. Frankly, it sounds like he is willing to let the troops get murdered. It seems to me that he has had his ROE given to him and there is nothing he can do to protect the troops.if I were in his shoes I would Resign.

And now that Gen. Allen has publicized this practice of "insider" suicide attacks and made it vastly more well known over here, I would imagine the incidence of them will ramp up rapidly, perhaps bringing about precisely what the enemy wants, us the hell out of there.

I'm quite sure Gen. Allen is well aware of the likely outcome as a result of his public statement.

My guess is the CIC was consulted prior to it being made, or it was made at the behest of the CIC.

26 posted on 10/01/2012 7:51:04 AM PDT by misanthrope ("...Everybody look what's goin' down.")
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To: puppypusher
It seems to me that he has had his ROE given to him and there is nothing he can do to protect the troops.if I were in his shoes I would Resign.

Bingo. That's exactly what he can do and indeed should do if he believes the things he said. Let's face it, the ROE are f'd up because the pols don't want bad press and are happy to let American soldiers be murdered in their own bases rather than get a "scandal" of actually rooting out 5th column Muslims from our forces. The press will bury the story of American deaths to protect Obama. The most effective thing this general could do then is to make this a scandal that they have to write about by resigning loudly and publicly.

27 posted on 10/01/2012 7:54:47 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Evil Slayer

Just go for a run star boy.


28 posted on 10/01/2012 7:55:30 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: pepsi_junkie

“You know, we’re willing to sacrifice a lot for this campaign. But we’re not willing to be murdered for it,” Gen. Allen told CBS’ “60 Minutes”

That statement won’t make Obama and his fellow Alinskyites in the WH, they’ll probably consider dumping the Gen. for insubordination.


29 posted on 10/01/2012 7:57:26 AM PDT by kenmcg (t)
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To: Obadiah

What specific ROE are you referring to and where can we find the most recent written version of it?

I don’t see any ROE that’s going to stop all blue on green murders . I also don’t see why we’re still there.


30 posted on 10/01/2012 7:59:33 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Evil Slayer
we're willing to sacrifice a lot for this campaign. But we're not willing to be murdered for it

egg, mud and sh!t all over the obozo's face. since obozo is a Muslim and beholding to the house of Saud, he must really be enjoying seeing what is happening to our military at his hand.

31 posted on 10/01/2012 8:02:38 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: slorunner

Thought provoking.

Clausewitz defines war as an act of violence intended to compel our opponent to fulfill our will.

Either those of opposing will must remain as opposing nations checked by our national defense or they must be overcome and subjected to our will.

International peace will not come by acquiescing to the doctrines of murder and evil advocated by Islam.


32 posted on 10/01/2012 8:13:33 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Obadiah
“It is unconscionable that people are being murdered over there because the rules of engagement deliberately put our troops at a disadvantage. “

That's probably the big thing that most people are unaware of.
I'm betting our guys could clean this up quickly if they were allowed to do what is needed.
The public would probably be infuriated if they knew how our people are limited.

The lawyers who make up the rules up, should be placed in out in front and make them find the IED’s.

33 posted on 10/01/2012 8:18:33 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: Evil Slayer

Oh and how we used to laugh at the German Occupation of Europe.... Time to go if he is the commander (Obama pick), e.g., not willing to die for anything because living a life under the Democrats PROMISES to be so grand!


34 posted on 10/01/2012 8:22:43 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: EternalVigilance
Problem is we're getting a massive influx of Islams into this country who are turning into jihadists. Now, since it isn't pc to profile anyone here, we are stuck with the situation. The only time we do anything to a jihadist is arrest them and send them to Gitmo for a couple of weeks of R&R. Then release them. Sad isn't it. USA becoming EU.
35 posted on 10/01/2012 8:26:57 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....)
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To: Thorliveshere

Yes! No feet on the ground, but fill their sky with drones, and Raptors, or old school Tomcats! Get the job done and have our pilots home for dinner.


36 posted on 10/01/2012 8:27:00 AM PDT by Casie
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To: Evil Slayer

Bacon. Wood chipper. Perp’s famiily.

Just sayin’.


37 posted on 10/01/2012 8:27:43 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Cvengr; Nachum; Cindy; G8 Diplomat; AdmSmith; Dog; nuconvert; Straight Vermonter; dervish; ...

The goal of war is to get your enemy to stop fighting. Insider attacks stop training of troops loyal to the mayor of Kabul, Karzai and get us to quit fighting sooner.

We are training the future Taliban and some of them want to kill Americans before we all leave. Their fathers and grandfathers that killed Russians are still heroes in their villages.

What is interesting is that the shooters usually drop their weapons afterward and quickly give up. They know they will be treated better in prison than in the Afghan army and they all know this:

They will be released as soon as the Americans are gone.

Think about it. What is their downside?


38 posted on 10/01/2012 8:31:03 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: Evil Slayer

The Murderer In Chief is in The White House.


39 posted on 10/01/2012 8:51:23 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Evil Slayer

Weapons and military tactics will not win this war. The only things that you can send to Afghanistan to win this war are Missionaries. When the West is serious about endings its 15 century war with Islam we will admit we are fighting a war with Islam. You must give these people a reason to question and change their core beliefs and killing them doesn’t do it that well or at all. They need something to believe in that gives them a purpose that is not contrary to Western civilization.


40 posted on 10/01/2012 9:03:36 AM PDT by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: azcap

Ok, if this is what they want, then this is what they're gonna get.

41 posted on 10/01/2012 10:03:25 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....)
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To: Evil Slayer

Just keep doing that good civilian police work, General. Our civilian leadership doesn’t have the will to fight and is prepared to have its authorities call your soldiers “civilian” “males” and keep them unemployed after their return. Welcome to the decline of Rome 2.0.


42 posted on 10/01/2012 10:16:11 AM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Evil Slayer
Am glad the Commander has spoken up. ..and out. This is insane and of course; not even a 'head nod' by Obama. Oh, that's right; Obama is a busy man. . .

And yes; he already should have a 'visitor' by now. . .Let the 'consult' begin.

43 posted on 10/01/2012 10:17:32 AM PDT by cricket
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To: Evil Slayer

Our ancestors were more honest, courageous and hard working.

Denazification, cumulative review. Report, 1 April 1947-30 April 1948.
http://digital.library.wisc.edu/1711.dl/History.Denazi


44 posted on 10/01/2012 10:22:57 AM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: azcap

IMHO, God’s Providence is the solution, but there are other enemies within our midst who are enemies of Christ first and are seeking to use Islam as a tool to maneuver and promote all things antiChristian.

In the immediate situation while we are in country, murder (and all felonious acts) must simply be met by immediate capital punishment under martial law.


45 posted on 10/01/2012 10:31:35 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Evil Slayer
"The enemy recognizes this is a vulnerability. You know, in Iraq, the signature weapon system that we hadn't seen before was the IED

I do believe that is not true....Vietnam saw many IED deaths.

46 posted on 10/01/2012 11:02:24 AM PDT by yoe (Vote for the Real American whose love for his country was NEVER in question.)
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To: Evil Slayer
Jihadi's need Frank Castle style justice.
47 posted on 10/01/2012 11:50:41 AM PDT by AmericanSamurai
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To: AmericanSamurai
Here's one worn by the SEALS in Iraq.
48 posted on 10/01/2012 11:53:22 AM PDT by AmericanSamurai
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To: albie

Totally. If they are serious about Islam, they hate us and are our enemies.


49 posted on 10/01/2012 1:51:01 PM PDT by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Truth29

Bingo


50 posted on 10/01/2012 1:52:05 PM PDT by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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