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New look at health care? [Supreme Court re-review of Obamacare?]
SCOTUSblog ^ | Mon, October 1st, 2012 9:41 am | Lyle Denniston

Posted on 10/01/2012 9:53:46 AM PDT by Hunton Peck

The Supreme Court opened its new Term on Monday by asking the federal government to offer its views on whether the way should be cleared for new constitutional challenges to the federal health care law — including a new protest against the individual mandate that the Court had upheld last June. The request for the government’s views came in response to a rehearing request by a religious-oriented institution, Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. The university’s earlier petition was simply denied in June, so it asked the Court to reconsider and wipe out a lower court ruling in order to revive the university’s religious challenges to both the individual mandate and the separate insurance coverage mandate for employers. There is also another challenge to the employer mandate, which did not figure in the Court’s decision last Term.

The order came amid a long list of orders on cases that arrived at the Court over the summer. There were no new grants. Among other actions, the Court invited the government to offer its reaction to several new cases.

The U.S. Solicitor General was invited to advise the Court on whether it should hear Arzoumanian, et al., v. Munchener…(docket 12-9) on the insurance claims of victims of the Armenian genocide; three related cases on class-action lawsuits involving securities fraud (dockets 12-79, 12-86 and 12-88), and on Young v. Fitzpatrick (docket 11-1485), a case testing legal immunity for police officers working for an Indian tribe.

The Court summarily affirmed lower court rulings rejecting claims of “packing” of minority voters into new districts to diminish their political strength — a question of racial gerrymandering (Backus v. South Carolina, 11-1404) — as well as claims of partisan gerrymandering in redistricting (Radogno v. Illinois Board of Elections, 11-1127). The Court provided no explanation for its action.

(NOTE TO READERS: This post will be updated and expanded following this morning’s oral arguments. Posts also will appear later today on those arguments.)


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: healthcare; obamacare; scotus; scotusobamacare
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To: Mr. K

This bill DID start in the house. The Senate stripped it, renamed it and stuck in Zerocare..

However, the court has never ruled on that practice so that angle can be worked.


21 posted on 10/01/2012 10:33:30 AM PDT by cableguymn (peace through strength. if they don't like you at least they will fear you.)
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To: Mr. K
It should have been sent back to the House for a revote. The House voted on a Bill using the term ‘penalty’. It would never have passed if the term had been ‘tax’. SCOTUS really screwed this up. I had little respect for the Supremes before. Now I have NO RESPECT for the Supremes..
22 posted on 10/01/2012 10:35:06 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: Hunton Peck

Since when does the Supreme Court ask the federal Government what to do?

Aren’t they a separate entity?

At least they should be.

If they ask the Obama Government what they should do they already know the answer, Obama will tell the to do nothing.

WTF is wrong with our Supreme Court? Have they all been sheared of their balls by the 2 Dykes and one liberal old woman on the court?


23 posted on 10/01/2012 10:36:13 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: aruanan

And that argument has yet to be decided by the USSC.


24 posted on 10/01/2012 10:37:21 AM PDT by cableguymn (peace through strength. if they don't like you at least they will fear you.)
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To: Evil Slayer

The founding fathers would have been shooting by now (civil war 2)


25 posted on 10/01/2012 10:42:10 AM PDT by cableguymn (peace through strength. if they don't like you at least they will fear you.)
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To: cableguymn

The problem is that the conservatives on the court called it a penalty. Penalties do not have to originate in the House, only taxes.

In order for Obamacare to die as a tax, the conservatives would have to do a complete 180, agree with Roberts that it is a tax, and then strike the whole thing down. That does not seem likely.


26 posted on 10/01/2012 10:46:44 AM PDT by mrs9x
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To: trackman

“Because he was the deciding vote.”

No, he wasn’t. There were other votes that could also have been called “deciding” votes, but that’s a nitpick. He had no interest in just killing it as a distortion of the commerce clause and nothing else. That would have been a checker players move. He effectively killed the commerce clause action and opened it to assault on MANY levels; it could not be used in a tax exempt environment (Catholic Hospitals, for instance) or could not be activated as a tax in its’s current form. And he knew that it would take another session and approvals and reconciliation to pass. And that ain’t gonna happen. Checkmate.


27 posted on 10/01/2012 10:49:29 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: RoseofTexas

Amen,We were betrayed.


28 posted on 10/01/2012 10:51:46 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: RoseofTexas

Amen Rose... he is truly a pos progressive.

LLS


29 posted on 10/01/2012 11:06:00 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: Venturer

One party (Liberty U.) petitioned for a rehearing. At that point, the SC had two options: they could deny the petition, or give the opposing party (the feds) an opportunity to respond before ruling. They did the latter. That’s a good thing (though it remains uncertain whether it will amount to anything much).


30 posted on 10/01/2012 11:12:14 AM PDT by Hunton Peck ("Blasphemy" is to Islam as "swiftboating" is to Democrats: The speaking of truth to liars.)
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To: mrs9x

I agree.. those that thing Roberts was brilliant for setting up the argument as he did are nuts.

Roberts could have killed zero care dead with a vote the other way.

now we have to go out in to uncharted waters and HOPE 5 judges agree with our new argument.


31 posted on 10/01/2012 11:46:23 AM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: garyb

I think they are not allowed to ‘ammend’ anything to be ADDING a new tax- that would violate the ‘origination’ clause, wouldnt it?


32 posted on 10/01/2012 11:50:49 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The only thing the World would hate more than the USA in charge is the USA NOT in charge")
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To: cableguymn

“now we have to go out in to uncharted waters and HOPE 5 judges agree with our new argument.”

Anyone who thinks these are unchartered waters are, to use your phrase, “nuts.”

The law is clear. The tax was imposed illegally. The commerce clause has been restrained. It’s all good. Had he voted the other way, it would have done nothing like this...we can now set precedent for both areas of abuse of our state’s rights. Unless you don’t think that is important. Uncharted waters. Nuts.


33 posted on 10/01/2012 12:45:26 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: CaptainKip

As you asked..here it is...

http://www.pacificlegal.org/releases/PLF-suit-Tax-raising-Affordable-Care-Act-started-in-wrong-house-of-Congress


34 posted on 10/01/2012 12:55:43 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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As promised, Mr. Denniston has expanded and updated the posted article with additional analysis and procedural background, as follows:
Although the Court’s order dealing with unsettled issues over the constitutionality of the new health care law was significant, because the Court could easily have bypassed the Liberty University plea and usually does just that, and yet it did not, its significance also could be exaggerated. The request for the government’s views is not a guarantee that the Court will say anything really new about the Affordable Care Act, that it would even hint at how the case should come out if returned to a lower court, or that it would issue any order that permits the University to make the challenges that were not ruled upon by the Justices, or even by the lower federal court that heard Liberty’s case — the Fourth Circuit Court in Richmond, Va.

When Liberty’s case was before the Fourth Circuit, that Court ruled that it had no jurisdiction to hear the University’s constitutional objections to the ACA’s mandate that individuals must obtain health insurance by 2014, or pay a penalty. That blunted the University’s claims that the individual mandate is unconstitutional on a variety of grounds: that it was beyond Congress’s power under the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause, and that it violated the rights of the University and its employees to religious freedom and to legal equality. The University also had no chance to make its case against the similar mandate, that larger employers must provide a minimum level of health insurance coverage for their employees, or be penalized.

When the Supreme Court upheld the individual mandate at the end of last Term, it did so under Congress’s power to use a penalty in the form of a tax to enforce an economic choice that Congress had mandated. The Justices’ split decision ruled that Congress lacked the power to impose the individual mandate under the Commerce or Necessary and Proper Clauses. The Court said nothing at all about the similar mandate that applied to the University as an employer, because the Justices had refused to grant review on that question.

Less than a month after the Court had ruled, Liberty’s lawyers filed their motion for a rehearing. What they sought was a withdrawal of the Court’s prior order that simply denied any review of Liberty’s petition (that was one of several petitions that the Court never accepted for review, but disposed of with simple orders after the health care ruling came out). Liberty’s rehearing plea asked that, in place of a simple denial, the Court vacate the Fourth Circuit ruling that it lacked jurisdiction, and remand the case to be reconsidered in the wake of the health care decision.

If the Court agrees to do that, Liberty’s attorneys said, they would renew their claim that the individual mandate was unconstitutional on religious freedom grounds, and that the employer mandate was unconstitutional on all grounds — under the Commerce Clause, the Necessary and Proper Clause, and the Taxing Clause.

Ordinarily, the Court simply denies rehearing pleas with routine orders. The other side in such a situation is not even allowed to react to the rehearing petition unless the Court explicitly asks it to do so. The Court held onto the Liberty rehearing plea over the summer — a period during which it routinely denied a host of other rehearing petitions, without comment. The Justices took up the Liberty plea at their September 24 Conference, resulting in Monday’s order asking the Obama Administration to file a response — within thirty days – with advice on what the Court should do with the Liberty case. While not signaling what the ultimate disposition might be, that was a sufficient break from the normal practice that it carried at least potential significance.

Under the Court’s rules, a party seeking to undo a denial of a petition must show that there have been “intervening circumstances of a substantial or controlling effect” or a substantial argument that had not been made earlier. Liberty told the Court that its decision in the health care case was the changed circumstance, and it thus wished to take advantage of that when the case got back to the Fourth Circuit in Richmond. A rehearing plea must also carry with it a formal statement by attorneys that they are not asking for relief to delay the case, and that they are making the request “in good faith.”

Once the Obama Administration’s Justice Department files the response sought by the Court Monday, the Court will then act. It has the option, of course, of denying the rehearing petition without giving an explanation, especially if it finds no basis for reviving Liberty’s claims. There is no timetable for the Court to act on the petition after the government response has been filed at the end of this month.


35 posted on 10/01/2012 5:25:26 PM PDT by Hunton Peck ("Blasphemy" is to Islam as "swiftboating" is to Democrats: The speaking of truth to liars.)
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To: sleepwalker

Kevin DuJan, over at hillbozz, thinks he knows the answer.


36 posted on 10/01/2012 6:05:57 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: jessduntno
Since the court determined it is only legal as a tax how is it the Feds can impose a tax on tax exempt entities such as a college or church?
37 posted on 10/01/2012 6:32:50 PM PDT by JIM O
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To: JIM O

“Since the court determined it is only legal as a tax how is it the Feds can impose a tax on tax exempt entities such as a college or church?”

They can’t! That’s the beauty of it!


38 posted on 10/01/2012 7:32:03 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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