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Did Lockheed Martin Just Win Virginia for Obama?
The Atlantic Wire ^ | October 01, 2012 | John Hudson

Posted on 10/01/2012 10:27:39 PM PDT by george76

It's difficult to understate the importance of Lockheed Martin's latest announcement on the race for the White House: the defense contractor said on Monday it will not be issuing employee layoff notices to 123,000 workers on Nov. 2—just four days before the presidential election.

Amidst all of the super PACs and campaign ads, the threat of telling a sizable chunk of voters in key areas of the country that they could lose their jobs if the election didn't go Lockheed's way was one of the most potent examples of corporate electioneering. But the layoff threat was largely unreported outside of Beltway trade publications.

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Overall, it goes without saying that the president dodged a major bullet with today's announcement, and the Romney campaign missed out an a huge opportunity to win over jittery Virginia voters.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Pennsylvania; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: defense; employment; layoff; lockheed; lockheedmartin; martin; sequestration; warn; warnact
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1 posted on 10/01/2012 10:27:44 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76
I would imagine the Lockhheed employees know what's going on.

From the article: ""The guidance also said the federal government would cover severance costs that are mandated under a federal layoff notices law."

What if anything does Boner have to say about that?

2 posted on 10/01/2012 10:33:54 PM PDT by fso301
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To: george76

The thing is, if Obama is elected, he is going to do these cuts, he said so.

So they are breaking the law.


3 posted on 10/01/2012 10:35:45 PM PDT by dila813
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To: george76

The Lockheed employees must know they’re being used by Obama, this could backfire bigtime.


4 posted on 10/01/2012 10:39:07 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: george76

If Obama wins they could still get laid off, only they will get no notice and can’t sue the company.


5 posted on 10/01/2012 10:39:07 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Take two Aspirin and call me in November - Obama for Hindmost.)
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To: dila813

There is no law or truth anymore in what used to be the USA. If the media isn’t held accountable then those who govern are no longer held accountable.


6 posted on 10/01/2012 10:40:05 PM PDT by badpacifist (The leftist media are terrorists. What should we do to terrorists?)
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To: fso301

Of course they know what is going on. This does nothing to help obama and I would suspect there are more than a few Lockheed employees who are mad as hell. Lockheed as much as told them they are going to be laid off, there just won’t be an ‘announcement’...and why.


7 posted on 10/01/2012 10:42:23 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: badpacifist

poor libs, they don’t know what a moral hazard they are creating. Idiots....


8 posted on 10/01/2012 10:47:19 PM PDT by dila813
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To: george76

Seems illegal to me. Maybe the obvious stench of graft will taint the intended manipulation.

Isn’t it amazing how large corporations will so easily go along with blatant violations of public trust? To Hell with the #ing cowards.


9 posted on 10/01/2012 10:53:03 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: george76

They will be issuing them Nov 7th


10 posted on 10/01/2012 10:54:05 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: george76

While this is an obvious attempt to rig the election, I rather suspect Lockheed, etc. employees are very savvy folks and most of them probably know perfectly well they are on the layoff list... and that the pink slips WILL be forthcoming on November 7th.
I mean, defense contractor employees are not stupid people... if they vote to re-elect a man who openly avows his commitment to weaken America’s defenses.... well, they just aren’t that stupid.
Good question, tho...very good question. Thanks.


11 posted on 10/01/2012 10:56:48 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: badpacifist

>> There is no law or truth anymore in what used to be the USA. If the media isnt held accountable then those who govern are no longer held accountable.

I hear ya’. The majority of citizens have no clue, or don’t want to recognize how bad it is.

>> If the media isnt held accountable then those who govern are no longer held accountable.

To Hell with the bastards. We’ll lead, we’ll respect the law, we’ll represent the truth. It’s our Country, our Constitution, our Liberty, our future.


12 posted on 10/01/2012 11:01:30 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: smoothsailing
The Lockheed employees must know they’re being used by Obama, this could backfire bigtime.

The Lockheed employees just need to give him some time until after the election, when he has more flexibility to eliminate their jobs.

13 posted on 10/01/2012 11:02:30 PM PDT by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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To: george76
If the layoffs are due to Sequestration in the budget
won't they still get layed off if they do not fix the budget and is Obama or the Senate working on the budget
I thought they are not doing anything. I am confused.
14 posted on 10/01/2012 11:13:03 PM PDT by funfan
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To: george76
If the layoffs are due to Sequestration in the budget
won't they still get layed off if they do not fix the budget and is Obama or the Senate working on the budget
I thought they are not doing anything. I am confused.
15 posted on 10/01/2012 11:13:15 PM PDT by funfan
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To: george76
Lawsuits arising from any unannounced layoffs will mostly be filed by union lawyers against contractors on behalf of members. The contractors’ costs will be paid by the Labor Department. Since the Labor Department is run by Obama appointees who were union executives this turns into a really incestuous circle. And another scam on taxpayers. When they talk about “severance costs” that could be some serious money.
16 posted on 10/01/2012 11:16:38 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: george76

At this point I’m thinking there’s no reversing America’s fate. There’s no altering God’s plan.. Or should I say LESSON.


17 posted on 10/01/2012 11:27:31 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: george76

“one of the most potent examples of corporate electioneering.

As far as I know the notices are legally mandated if they are to fire people within a certain period. Thatdoes not constitute electioneering.


18 posted on 10/01/2012 11:28:17 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: fso301

They know they are about to be laid off!


19 posted on 10/01/2012 11:37:20 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: Tublecane
As far as I know the notices are legally mandated if they are to fire people within a certain period.

That's the legal requirement under the WARN Act.

Obama ordered them to break the law.

They don't have much choice, do they?

20 posted on 10/01/2012 11:47:35 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1350 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

I bring it up only to demonstrate how crappy was the writing.


21 posted on 10/01/2012 11:55:56 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: george76

Illegal. Lockheed should know better.


22 posted on 10/02/2012 12:09:44 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: fso301
I would imagine the Lockhheed employees know what's going on.

Right. I realize a lot of American voters are dumb as bags of rocks, but how stupid does anyone think people really are?

Lockheed Martin Worker #1: "Hey, did you hear the news that our company is going to lay off 123,000 people?"

Lockheed Martin Worker #2: "Yeah, but they're not announcing it until after the election so for now we have to act as if it's not going to happen."

Lockheed Martin Worker #1: "Wow -- that's good news. That means I don't have to spend any time updating my resume or anything like that."

WTF? LOL.

23 posted on 10/02/2012 1:32:38 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child

How can the employees know what’s going on? There is apparently no need to have a plan until after the election. There is no way to know what programs or who will be cut. The employees’ voting decisions are back to politics, not job-based, which is what obamma wanted.

Now is when the House could start hearings and raise media attention about this illegal and immoral act. The media will spin it that the House is politiking, but if the House had a spine, they’d do it for moral reasons.


24 posted on 10/02/2012 2:14:24 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: george76

Lock-Mart will wait until just before Christmas to announce the layoffs. I’m sure Sheik Obomba will be fine with that.


25 posted on 10/02/2012 2:21:44 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: george76
There are a lot of people who are under the misguided impression that Defense / Aerospace industry is automatically going to be conservative. Nothing of the sort could be more untrue.

From FEC records (compiled by Open Secrets):

These folks go with where they think they'll be able to get the most contracting money. Regardless of party.

26 posted on 10/02/2012 2:36:27 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
These folks go with where they think they'll be able to get the most contracting money. Regardless of party.

Yet they donate to Ron Paul?

27 posted on 10/02/2012 2:43:06 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Yet they donate to Ron Paul?

Look at the amount of difference in amounts.

These numbers are compiled from PAC donations and from individual donations by people who are employed by the company in question. It's fairly obvious that the heavy hitters are donating to both Øbozo and Willard (&Oshas;bozo with a slight lead). I would wager if I was to do a more in-depth search, I'd find a whole bunch of smaller donations to RuPaul...chances are from lower level employees.

(Of course, if you want the real story, take a look at their congressional contributions over multiple cycles)

28 posted on 10/02/2012 3:12:56 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: ReaganGeneration2
How can the employees know what’s going on?

Well, let's see ... You and I are posting here on this thing called the internet, and there are already stories all over the place about Lockheed Martin's plan to eliminate 123,000 jobs. Don't you think at least a few employees of Lockheed Martin also have access to the internet -- and just might be asking themselves if they are among the 123,000 that are going to be laid off?

29 posted on 10/02/2012 3:32:15 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: dila813

yes they are breaking the law but obama’s administration told them the “government” will pay their fines

of course the people fired after the election, on short notice, will be told it is because of republican obstructionism

any contractor employee who doesn’t see through this move by obama and who votes democrat, is too stupid to stay employed. Kinda like coal miners and oil workers who vote
their jobs out of existence


30 posted on 10/02/2012 4:12:45 AM PDT by silverleaf
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To: Gene Eric

“Isn’t it amazing how large corporations will so easily go along with blatant violations of public trust?”

There’s a kind of group-think in large organizations. People in large organizations do things that they, as individuals, would never do. An example is the GM decision not to spend a dollar per car on the Corvaire to prevent rollovers because the estimated money saved exceeded the estimated money paid in lawsuits. People tend to do what they are rewarded for and they want the approval of those who grant their bonuses.

Having said that, if they had sent out 25k notices to the people they would lay off those 25k mostly wouldn’t vote for Obama. But now, the total 125k employees don’t know whether they’ll be included in the layoff so a greater number may vote against Obama. As another poster said, “backfire, bigtime!”


31 posted on 10/02/2012 4:17:17 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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Hey Lockheed employees. You know hussein will back defense cuts, massive defense cuts, if he is elected. He just told your management to break the law and keep you in the dark. He is going to pay their legal costs to fight you in court. Does that sound like someone you want to back, like someone you want in control of your destiny? I think husseins announcement just backfired and lost him the vote of every single defense worker and their families.


32 posted on 10/02/2012 4:20:37 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Gene Eric

-——Isn’t it amazing how large corporations will so easily go along with blatant violations of public trust?——

By making the announcement they informed the employees of the impending lay offs and saved themselves the cost of issuing the paper notices. The political results will likely be the same as if formal paper notices were issued.

It makes one wonder about waiving laws. It makes one wonder if laws protecting the President can just be waived?


33 posted on 10/02/2012 4:24:51 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: george76

When I worked for that company, the division I worked in was merged with a different one and Ms. Linda Gooden became our executive VP. I was laid off 6 months after she took over. When she took over, she implemented a policy where if you took vacation, you were expected to make up that same amount of time in unpaid overtime. She also cracked down on dress code as well. She likes to pay surprise visits to catch people off guard. She visited Colorado one time and she had people sent home for wearing jeans ! Word also got out that each employee is expected to work 5 to 10 hours of casual overtime each week. She also cracked down on flex time as well. Use to be the parking lots were empty on Friday afternoon but they are now full even to 5 pm Friday. Before most people would work their hours earlier in the week. I even see the parking lots sometimes filled on Saturdays too.

One thing about Ms. Gooden, she is a big Obama supporter.


34 posted on 10/02/2012 4:36:58 AM PDT by CORedneck
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I don't think Obama’s promises to Lockheed executives will give the employees anything to cheer about.

Obama has promised to cover any costs associated with the failure to give employees 60 days notice of termination. He DID NOT promise to stop the layoffs.

This allows Lockheed to issue IMMEDIATE terminations to thousands of employees after the election.

If I was employed by Lockheed, Obama’s promise would scare me to death, & make me very angry.

35 posted on 10/02/2012 4:45:29 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: funfan
If the layoffs are due to Sequestration in the budget

What Budget? Congress hasn't passed a budget in eons.

36 posted on 10/02/2012 4:49:46 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: markomalley

No, I got that, but I’m just surprised that he’s up there at all. I would think he’d be a small step above Lyndon Larouche considering what he’d do to the defense industry.


37 posted on 10/02/2012 5:01:49 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Alberta's Child

Yes, this is very bad. If there’s no slip telling you that YOU are laid off, you don’t think it happens to you or your program. You may suspect it, but there’s just not enough information to change your mind to take your vote from 0bama. You may even blame BOehner or look to 0bama for unemployment $$$.

Something like this is how Dems chip away at the swing states and win - a lesson learned from Nixon and IL in 1960.

And it should be an easy tactic to knock down in this case, by Congress, or by Romney - the fact that 0bama is taking contractors’ “right” (by law, for what its worth) to be notified of losing their jobs 60 days in advance.

But I hear a Senator (Thune?) Is raising this now. Stay tuned.


38 posted on 10/02/2012 5:27:30 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: markomalley

Regardless of your nifty little graphic, I have been in the Defense Industry my entire life and it is overwhelmingly conservative. Of course you will find a few libs here and there - especially in the DC Area, NJ, and CA. However, the industry as a while is a reflection of the military, which is leans to the right as well.


39 posted on 10/02/2012 6:04:01 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: tallyhoe

Of course they do. A lot of them are members of the IAM-AW, layoffs are by seniority. BTW, where is the union in all of this? (I know of where I speak - I retired from Lockheed Martin after 21 years of service.)


40 posted on 10/02/2012 6:39:11 AM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: Alberta's Child

My wife works for LM. You’re right, all employees know what’s going on. LM management has been in communication on this issue for at least the last 6 months.

You know who doesn’t know about this? The local businesses supported by those employees’ salaries. They are the actual target of Obama’s obfuscation tactic.

He doesn’t want Virginians in general knowing about the 125k employee reduction.


41 posted on 10/02/2012 7:14:39 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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To: ohioman

Raytheon was a major sponsor for the 2004 DNC Convention.

Don’t forget, Murtha was a Dem and basically ruled the appropriation process (along with Jerry Lewis)


42 posted on 10/02/2012 7:51:39 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: ReaganGeneration2

My son works for LM here in Texas. His dept. was told weeks ago that WARN layoff notices would be going out Nov. 1st. It’s not a secret. They even know how many in their dept. will be cut.


43 posted on 10/02/2012 8:09:49 AM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: Inspectorette

I was an IAM member and Union Steward for awhile. I used to go to the Union Meetings and grouse at them for not supporting Republicans. Man those were tough meetings. Here I was with the Socialist and I was a conservative!


44 posted on 10/02/2012 9:17:41 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: markomalley

So what. We in the industry know that Raytheon is the primary left leaning contractor. The industry as a whole leans right.


45 posted on 10/02/2012 9:48:50 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: ohioman

The employees in the defense industry are mostly conservative, agreed. However, the companies themselves are very pragmatic. When Dems run Congress, they will contribute more to Dems than the GOP. And vise versa.

They do what they need to get money appropriated. Sorry if that bursts any bubbles out there.


46 posted on 10/02/2012 10:58:21 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

Sad thing is, the line workers, the UNION line workers, vote democrat regardless.


47 posted on 10/02/2012 11:46:22 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: george76

This is silly. Lockheed Martin employees are stupid enough to fall for this well advertised political scam?


48 posted on 10/02/2012 1:18:10 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Jrabbit

Maybe LM is (was) serious about this. Intteresitng


49 posted on 10/02/2012 3:19:55 PM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: faithhopecharity

I’ve talked to some of my friends who are still working at
Lockmart. I’m retired from there. They know, and they also
know that Obama is basically threatening the company mgnt.
Lockheed is in a no win situation, the company and the
workers are screwed. Besides WARN act, I’ve heard it also
may violate RICO and that unlawful aggrements cannot be
enforced if there is a change in the political winds.


50 posted on 10/02/2012 4:31:28 PM PDT by jusduat (on the mercy of the Lord alone.)
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