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Catholic Bishop: Voting for Obama, Dems Could Place Salvation of Your Own Soul in Serious Jeopardy’
The Blaze ^ | 9/28/2012 | Billy Hallowell

Posted on 10/02/2012 8:31:56 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross

Bishop Thomas John Paprocki from Springfield, Illinois, is getting attention after making some strongly-worded comments about those Americans who opt to vote for President Barack Obama in November. In a column and video that was posted by Catholic Times, the official newspaper of the Diocese of Springfield, Paprocki targeted portions of the Democratic platform that “explicitly endorse intrinsic evils.” He also warned that supporting certain politicians could place peoples’ “eternal salvation…in jeopardy.”

While he noted that it’s not his job to to tell people who do vote for, the faith leader said that he has a duty to speak out about moral issues. Despite his stated problems with the Democratic Party platform — the initial removal of God, its stance abortion and its support of gay marriage – Paprocki spoke relatively favorably of the Republican platform.

“I have read the Republican Party platform and there is nothing in it that supports or promotes an intrinsic evil or a serious sin,” he proclaimed.

While the bishop didn’t overtly name President Barack Obama as a poor candidate for people of faith to support, he invoked religious themes and warned of spiritual damnation if religious voters stand in support of politicians who “promote actions of behaviors that are intrinsically evil.”

“I am not telling you which party or which candidates to vote for or against. What I am saying is that you need to think and pray very carefully about your vote,” Paprocki said. “Because a vote for a candidate who promotes actions or behaviors that are intrinsically evil and gravely sinful makes you morally complicit and places the eternal salvation of your own soul in serious jeopardy.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bishop; paprocki
Bishop Paprocki ROCKS!
1 posted on 10/02/2012 8:32:01 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
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To: Servant of the Cross; All

About d@mn TIME someone said this...

Too bad it is about 50 years too late...but better late than never, I suppose


2 posted on 10/02/2012 8:34:43 AM PDT by Rca2000 ( NEVER underestimate the power of "one little election", in WI.....)
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To: Servant of the Cross

All the Bishops need to get onboard and deliver the same message to their flocks!


3 posted on 10/02/2012 8:37:24 AM PDT by jimmyo57
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To: Servant of the Cross

Yes, Bishop, a vote for the devil and his legions will put your soul as well as many other things in jeopardy.


4 posted on 10/02/2012 8:39:37 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

i’ve posted this numerous times- never in my lifetime have i witnessed the Catholic church preach from the pulpit against a candidate or the issues of a POTUS..i am in liberalsville. NY and over the summer, prior to the Catholic sponsored “Forthnight for Freedom” our priest told us during the Homily at 5:30 mass on Saturday, he really feared if things keep going the way they are going Catholic priests will be the first victims and could be summarily imprisoned for not marrying gays, handing out contraceptives, etc...

my sister in law told me in her parish in Florida the priest told them outright, the only way to end this is vote out obama...that’s why i laugh when i see these “polls” showing obama leading amongst Catholics- it ain’t happening...


5 posted on 10/02/2012 8:41:52 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Servant of the Cross

More Christian leaders should speak up about the responsibility of voting as a Christian. How could any Christian vote for someone who actively voted to kill babies who had miraculously survived abortion, as Obama did? Who promotes homosexuality and mocks God’s idea of marriage by the infamy of homosexual “marriage”? Who calls evil “good” and good “evil”? Obama has done all of this as a servant of ungodliness. He has actively mocked God and the Bible, while defending the “Holy Book” of the Koran.

God will have the last word on that denial of the faith on Judgement Day.


6 posted on 10/02/2012 8:42:26 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: jimmyo57

Another bishop who has got his priorities straight & speaks the truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi_KaZ53eDg&sns=tw


7 posted on 10/02/2012 8:42:54 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: Servant of the Cross

Finally, Catholic Bishops are acting as if they actually were trying to follow doctrine.

If they keep this up, I must might return to the faith.


8 posted on 10/02/2012 8:43:40 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Servant of the Cross

This message is starting to come to Christians all across the country from nearly every sect.


9 posted on 10/02/2012 8:46:05 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Wow...this is the bishop in my own town. While I’m Lutheran, I’m very proud of the stance he’s taking. Would that more men of God across all denominations start publicly “speaking truth to power”, to use a phrase.


10 posted on 10/02/2012 8:46:21 AM PDT by egarvue
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To: Servant of the Cross

Excellent! This should be the official Church stance amongst all Diocese.


11 posted on 10/02/2012 8:47:04 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Servant of the Cross
Archbishop Gomez calls on voters to incorporate faith into voting (Los Angeles)
12 posted on 10/02/2012 8:57:19 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: DarthVader

The message is a little backward, though.
Your acts, ie voting, don’t determine your salvation, but are a reflection of that state of your heart, and your salvation.

Someone truly “blood bought” would seek the will of the Lord and would not seek the advocacy based righteousness of voting for “social justice”.


13 posted on 10/02/2012 8:58:18 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Servant of the Cross

He`s got my vote!
A Catholic bishop can run for public office because Jesse Jackson, a Baptist minister, ran for the Presidential office in 1983-4.


14 posted on 10/02/2012 9:00:00 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (yup-Who knew??)
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To: bunkerhill7

Mitt Romney is a Mormon bishop.


15 posted on 10/02/2012 9:03:04 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: All

I don’t know the phraseology the Bishop used but he has to be careful making such unbiblical pronouncements. Nothing you CAN do or NOT do has anything to do with your salvation. The New Testament is crystal clear on that. The Book of James does talk about “Faith without works is dead”. If the Bishop contends that if you vote for Obama knowing he is hostile to life and our Lord than yes your true belief in the Lord Jesus Christ is really up for debate, you have a said faith and not a real faith and you should examine your heart. Obama is the true personification of evil, a thug intent on the murder of innocent unborn human life, he relishes it, smiles at it. The other issues just buttress this, he is opposed to God on just about every other moral issue, theft, lying, murder, idolatry. Obama may win this year, I doubt it but he just may, but in the big picture he is lost as are his legion of selfish, covetous, lying hoards of followers. They cannot make a nirvana on earth it always winds up the same way, Auschwitz or the Gulags


16 posted on 10/02/2012 9:04:04 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: God luvs America
My Southern Baptist affiliated church's pastor preached a similar sermon week before last and referenced to it this week. While he didn't say to not vote for Obama, he did list Christian biblical principles that we should follow in choosing who to vote for. That the future of our nation is at stake. This is the most important election in our lifetime.

If our parishioners follow his advice, there is no way they could vote for Obama or most every Democrat.

17 posted on 10/02/2012 9:04:52 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: bunkerhill7
A Catholic bishop can run for public office because Jesse Jackson, a Baptist minister, ran for the Presidential office in 1983-4.

Catholic priests cannot run for public office, they are prevented from doing so by the Church.

18 posted on 10/02/2012 9:05:52 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: MrB

I agree with your point but I believe that many Christians in this country are compromised and are teetering on the edge of becoming apostate and God is becoming weary of their condition as it effects the health of the Body of believers. This upcoming election is decision time for them: Life or Death. The vote for evil will affirm that fact and thus they become an unfruitful branch that gets pruned off the vine and then gets burned.


19 posted on 10/02/2012 9:15:48 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: DarthVader

Harvest time is approaching.
The tares have been allowed to grow up with the wheat,
but winnowing time is nigh.

There are several current issues that He is using as winnowing forks to separate the wheat and the chaff.


20 posted on 10/02/2012 9:18:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Indeed, if you are drug free, what fool thinks havin daddy O’s dealing and pushing the stuff in the house not make you take it and get addicted to it. Depressing people are known to pass their poison of depression just as it is...


21 posted on 10/02/2012 9:31:01 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Da Coyote
“Finally, Catholic Bishops are acting as if they actually were trying to follow doctrine.

If they keep this up, I must might return to the faith.”

One could have knocked me over with a feather when I read that a Catholic bishop made a clear defense of the faith as regards a political matter. I thought I would never see that in my lifetime. Who knows? Tomorrow, they may turn Nancy Pelosi away at Communion rail.

But no matter the politics, please return to the faith. The Church is so much more than the fallible men who make it up: she is the Bride of Christ.

22 posted on 10/02/2012 9:47:37 AM PDT by irish_links
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To: MrB; DarthVader
Isaiah 5:20 -- Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

with this and other scriptures, God's Word is unambiguous that giving tacit approval to evil acts is the same as committing the act oneself.

23 posted on 10/02/2012 10:06:06 AM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: kingattax

+1 bump.


24 posted on 10/02/2012 10:17:33 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Vince Ferrer
Catholic priests cannot run for public office, they are prevented from doing so by the Church.

Yes, they used to run in the 60's and 70's, and most were huge libs. Massachusetts sent a very liberal Priest to Congress. Pope John Paul II made him resign when he announced this doctrine.


25 posted on 10/02/2012 10:37:19 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Vince Ferrer

You appear to be in error:
If the French can do it, we can do it too.
They can obtain public office even without running for it: Cardinal Richelieu = He was consecrated bishop on 17 April, 1607; Richelieu was named secretary of state on 30 November, 1616- 3 November, 1622, he was created cardinal by Gregory XV. On 19 April, 1624, he re-entered the Council of Ministers, and on 12 August, 1624, was made its president.

BTW, during the depression, my pastor was elected president of the local bank by the depositors and the bank board because he was trustworthy & knew how to handle money. The bank was the only one solvent in the county during the whole depression. YUP


26 posted on 10/02/2012 12:11:16 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (yup-Who knew??)
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To: Vince Ferrer

You appear to be in error:
If the French can do it, we can do it too.
They can obtain public office even without running for it: Cardinal Richelieu = He was consecrated bishop on 17 April, 1607; Richelieu was named secretary of state on 30 November, 1616- 3 November, 1622, he was created cardinal by Gregory XV. On 19 April, 1624, he re-entered the Council of Ministers, and on 12 August, 1624, was made its president.

BTW, during the depression, my pastor was elected president of the local bank by the depositors and the bank board because he was trustworthy & knew how to handle money. The bank was the only one solvent in the county during the whole depression. YUP


27 posted on 10/02/2012 12:13:02 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (yup-Who knew??)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

This doctrine is not dogma = it can be reversed by any pope.


28 posted on 10/02/2012 12:17:21 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (yup-Who knew??)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Father Ernesto Cardenal Martínez (born January 20, 1925) is a Nicaraguan CathoLIC PRIEST
On 19 July 1979, immediately after the Fall of Managua, he was named Minister of Culture by the new Sandinista regime. His brother Fernando Cardenal, also a Catholic priest (in the Jesuit order), was appointed Minister of Education.


29 posted on 10/02/2012 12:38:52 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (yup-Who knew??)
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To: bunkerhill7
From the Code of Canon Law:

Can. 285 §1. Clerics are to refrain completely from all those things which are unbecoming to their state, according to the prescripts of particular law.

§2. Clerics are to avoid those things which, although not unbecoming, are nevertheless foreign to the clerical state.

§3. Clerics are forbidden to assume public offices which entail a participation in the exercise of civil power.

Can. 287 §1. Most especially, clerics are always to foster the peace and harmony based on justice which are to be observed among people.

§2. They are not to have an active part in political parties and in governing labor unions unless, in the judgment of competent ecclesiastical authority, the protection of the rights of the Church or the promotion of the common good requires it.

30 posted on 10/02/2012 12:38:59 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

§2. They are not to have an active part in political parties and in governing labor unions UNLESS in the judgment of competent ecclesiastical authority, the protection of the rights of the Church or the promotion of the common good requires it”. yupyupyup
YUP- FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE RIGHTS OF THE CHURCH, IT IS NOT FORBIDDEN-YUP


31 posted on 10/02/2012 12:48:38 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (yup-Who knew??)
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To: Servant of the Cross

It`s about time!

Anybody that votes Democrat in any way shape or form, spits on Christ


32 posted on 10/26/2012 8:04:00 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR BUST)
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To: Servant of the Cross

and another Bishop

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20121026/GPG010404/310260362/Bishop-urges-vote-against-candidates-who-support-abortion-gay-marriage?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE


33 posted on 10/26/2012 8:07:25 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR BUST)
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To: Servant of the Cross
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