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Supreme Court to take up UT admission case [may strike down racial and ethnic considerations)
Houston Chronicle ^ | October 8, 2012 | Mike Tolsen

Posted on 10/08/2012 8:01:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Seems like the folks who believe in states’ rights have forgotten about them as far as this issue is concerned. Does a state have no right to set its own criterion without being second guessed by the federal government?


21 posted on 10/08/2012 10:46:22 AM PDT by juno67 (Gua)
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To: Sooth2222
(I think the PC term is now "underrepresented minority" to distinguish Blacks, Latinos and Native Americans from those dull, uninteresting, overperforming "overrepresented minorities".)

It's grossly more complex than that in some areas. For instance, homosexuals are grossly over-represented in college admissions, and yet in many cases are plopped into a list for special treatment.
22 posted on 10/08/2012 11:50:09 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."--Del Shannon)
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To: juno67
Does a state have no right to set its own criterion without being second guessed by the federal government?

That was decided some time ago, since if states' rights carried the day, nothing would stop them from going right back to Jim Crow.
23 posted on 10/08/2012 11:52:09 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."--Del Shannon)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Will Kennedy pull a Sandra Day O’Connor, and keep affirmative discrimination going for another 50 years to give it a “little more time to work”?
24 posted on 10/08/2012 11:57:30 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: ken5050
What damages?..Does she want to be admitted? Or force the UT Bookstore to buy back all her Longhorn gear?

Impossible. Longhorn gear is priceless. And it's called the University Co-op.

25 posted on 10/08/2012 4:38:41 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Tamzee

That was before we saw the other side of John Roberts, he who went left to strike down part of the Arizona immigration law, and then saved Obamacare.

He probably enjoyed the good press he got from those two rulings.


26 posted on 10/08/2012 5:58:10 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The question that always pops into my mind when I hear or read about this case is why is the challenge is coming from Texas. By that I mean, why is it necessary? I mean, yes, I’d love for the Sup Court to finally get it right and just strike down the use of racial preferences, but why are preferences even allowed in allegedly conservative Texas?

The GOP has controlled Texas for years now, and the legislature supposedly got more conservative in 2010. So why hasn’t the allegedly conservative Republican legislature and the allegedly conservative Rick Perry done anything about it? Surely they have some control over the public universities in the state don’t they? Why don’t they end the use of racial preferences?

Maybe I shouldn’t single out Texas, because I can’t recall ever hearing of a Republican controlled state govt stepping in to end preferences in their public institutions of higher learning. They’ve done nothing at the federal level either.

Why is the GOP so worthless on this issue?


27 posted on 10/08/2012 6:07:00 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Aetius
Why is the GOP so worthless on this issue?

Surely, you already know the answer to your question, don't you?

It's because Republicans are afraid. Afraid of the media. Afraid of being called the "R" word.

So, any time racial preferences are at issue, they're going to cower in the corner. <

Besides which UT is more or less a law unto itself. "The University" has been allowed to do pretty much what it wants to do. In fact, I'm not sure it even takes any state money -- having a vast endowment of oil royalties.

28 posted on 10/08/2012 6:25:51 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Dr. Sivana; juno67

In deciding to use racial preferences though, who is really making the decision? It seems in almost all cases to be bureaucrats in state agencies. It’s not like there are state laws mandating the use of racial preferences.

Nor is there is a federal law or Sup Court decision mandating the use of racial preferences in college admissions. The past Sup Court decisions have said that they can be used, not that they must be. I’m not aware of any state legislature having the stones to do what is right and end preferences, but several states have put it to the people for a direct vote and in all (but one I think???) cases, the people have voted down preferences.

States are fully able to end the use of preferences in their public institutions. The reason they don’t, even in allegedly conservative states like Texas, is cowardice. Well, there are other reasons (like the Jack Kemp strain of the party who actually support preferences and buy into the Diversity nonsense), but fear of being called names is at or near the top of the list.

Now I should add that the freedom of states to end the use of racial preferences has come into question recently. In 2006, as the GOP went down in flames, the people of Michigan voted overwhelmingly to pass a state constitutional amendment banning the use of racial preferences. Her majesty Sandra Day O’Connor (retired by then), who had saved the use of racial preferences a few years earlier, said that she thought the vote from the rubes of Michigan to be perfectly legitimate. How generous of her! However, a federal court has since struck down the state amendment. The crazy opinion says something like the banning of preferences via an amendment would make it harder for minorities to reverse it at some future date, therefore its unconstitutional! It really is one of the all time activist decisions with it’s twisted reasoning. Hopefully it will be overturned on appeal, but I never expect good things from the courts.

But my point is that the ability of the states to end the use of preferences was never in doubt until recently with this crazy federal court decision. So there is no excuse for GOP inaction on this. A Sup Court decision would be nice, but it shouldn’t be necessary. The states can and should end preferences, and their implementation by bureaucracies should never be permitted to stand.


29 posted on 10/08/2012 6:33:11 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: okie01

Yeah, I do know the answer. I just wish the GOP couldn’t so brazenly betray the people who actually vote for them (i.e. whites) like they do.

I certainly don’t know the circumstances of how UT operates. But as long as they are a public university, then the legislature should be able to exercise some control over it. I would be its more about the cowardice than giving UT a free reign.


30 posted on 10/08/2012 6:43:50 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Scoutmaster

I stand corrected.....LOL


31 posted on 10/09/2012 5:35:58 AM PDT by ken5050 (Barack Obama: An empty suit sitting in an empty chair...)
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To: Aetius; okie01
The University of Texas' 'oil money' comes through the Permanent University Fund and has plenty of strings and requirements attached, given that the PUF was created by the 1876 Constitution of Texas.

As part of a way of funding public education in The University of Texas System, two million acres of land were placed in the PUF - one million of which were in west Texas and deemed too worthless to survey by the Texas & Pacific Railroad.

Initially, the only money in the PUF came from leasing grazing rights on PUF land.

However, it just so happens that a chunk of the west Texas PUF land sits on top of the Permian Basin . . . and the PUF now generates revenue from oil, gas, sulfur, and water royalties, rentals on mineral leases, and other sources.

The PUF funds are state funds. A portion of the revenue flows each year into the Annual University Fund. 2/3 of that amount goes to UT and 1/3 goes to Texas A&M.

Contrary to the idea that UT has its own money and doesn't get money from the State of Texas, all of the PUF/AUF money it receives is government money via the Texas State Constitution.

32 posted on 10/09/2012 6:58:15 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster
Contrary to the idea that UT has its own money and doesn't get money from the State of Texas, all of the PUF/AUF money it receives is government money via the Texas State Constitution.

Thanks for the clarification.

33 posted on 10/09/2012 8:54:06 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: okie01
Thanks for the clarification.

No problems. I'd ask how things are going in Rexroat, County Line, Butner, Little, and a dozen other Oklahoma towns, but some of them don't exist any longer. One of my grandfathers was building drilling rigs at the age of thirteen and hit about every company oil and gas town in Oklahoma.

34 posted on 10/09/2012 9:39:58 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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If people think this is a University of Texas issue, they are grossly mistaken. Virtually every major university takes 'diversity' into account in admissions - including our service academies. The only reason you're hearing about UT is a young lady who wanted to be a Longhorn had the guts to sue UT.

Over at Texas A&M, they have their own Diversity Plan that's much more extensive than just admissions. I'm sure UT has the same - and you'll find the same at other universities if you just know where to look.

Don't make UT the scapegoat in this.

35 posted on 10/09/2012 9:52:00 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Aetius

You clearly haven’t lived in Austin. Travis county, the seat of the state Capital is a hotbed of liberal activism. The UT campus is literally one-city block from the Capital building and it churns out thousands of liberals a year who want to live and work in Austin. Keep in mind that Texas has 1,024 counties (that’s not a typo - over 1,000), and every election you can easily spot Travis county when they show colorized maps to show which way the counties voted. Texas is conservative, but the legislature isn’t.


36 posted on 10/09/2012 1:01:43 PM PDT by DeltaZulu
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