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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl
'Extra-cosmic hypersurface'? ... Um, if it has temporal or spatial reality, then it is not hyper cosmic. And therein is found one of the difficulties in even discussing the subject ... we lack descriptive terms to apply in discussing reality greater than linear temporal and/or volumetric spatial qualities. That's why I devised my system of descriptive where/when continuua. What Wesson calls a hypersurface I would define as planar temporal in nature.

This planar temporal reality is not outside of the cosmic reality, it is merely so complex (or more simple?) that the way we are currently constructed, we do not sense it directly. I do however believe that our body exist in the sensed linear temporal realm, and our soul exists in this planar temporal realm, and the spirit component of our soul perhaps exists in yet a more complex (or perhaps more simple?) 'hypervolume'.

Borrowing notions from spatial description, dimensions have variablity expressions, as in dimension space is linear, planar, and volumetric, where planes are composed of linear expressions thus bringing about a greater exprerssion of planar, and planes make up the volumetric, etc., and similarly for dimension Time. Our bodies have been created to sense the linear temporal reality, yet the mind of our soul assimilates the linear temporal data, to fashion a composite planar temporal meaning.

When the light from a distant star reaches us, we can abstract from the wave patterns the present state of the star when the photon was emitted, yet that present is well gone since it occurred at a time (linearly/planarly/volumetrically speaking) long since past, before we even existed to be a receiver of the data. BUT, if there is planar and volumetric temporal expression, then the background realm of 'the cosmos' has all events occurring within the volume of reality thus nothing that is or happanes actually happens outside of spacetime reality of some continuua expressions. [The last is offered with thanks to Alamo-Girl for sharing the 'without time, events do not occur, and without space things do not exist' expression. That notion arrived in my psyche at a time when I was truly struggling to accept these notions of where/when continuua, and the clarity that insight offered nailed my conceptualizations down for acceptance in my mind. Since I trust the Bible to be true and truly information from God for us, I am finding numerous passages in the Bible which become so much clearer with this new cosmological perspective: Daniel Chapter Five is an excellent example.]

109 posted on 10/15/2012 10:58:19 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl; zeugma; Boogieman; TXnMA
'Extra-cosmic hypersurface'? ... Um, if it has temporal or spatial reality, then it is not hyper cosmic. And therein is found one of the difficulties in even discussing the subject ... we lack descriptive terms to apply in discussing reality greater than linear temporal and/or volumetric spatial qualities.

Well perhaps my trial description of an "extra-cosmic hypersurface" missed the mark. By "extra-cosmic," I intended the idea of a uniform, universal cause that does not arise from nor reside in the same field wherein its effects are manifestly experienced and felt.

This is not to maintain that God does not act "in" the world. It is only to say that God is not subject to the laws appertaining to creatures in this world, for the simple reason that He is their Author, their Father. [Not to mention their Truth and Salvation.]

Dear brother in Christ, you wrote: "What Wesson calls a hypersurface I would define as planar temporal in nature.... our body exist[s] in the sensed linear temporal realm, and our soul exists in this planar temporal realm, and the spirit component of our soul perhaps exists in yet a more complex (or perhaps more simple?) 'hypervolume'."

I have heard that Nature tends towards simplicity, towards parsimony. I gather this has something to do with Divine Economics. It also has something to do with the revelation of divine Beauty, Love, and Justice in this world.

Which is why I thought Wesson's speculation as to the nature of death in the article linked several times above was so fascinating:

Is death an end-point, or a phase shift?

Anyhoot, at a time when science has widely accepted curved-space models (e.g., Reimannian geometry) as relevant to their pressing investigative needs, it seems that "planar" (i.e., flat-space, or Euclidean) models might have to be relegated to the measure of Newtonian physics, and thereby considered accurate to about 99.997% certainty — within the 4D block of ordinary human observation and experience.

Where the Newtonian "flat-space model" falls down is at the margin where the velocity of objects converges on velocity of light, C, conventionally considered the "universal speed limit" — at the macroscopic level. It also seems to fall down at the microscopic level, at the level of quantum phenomena whose behavior seems to be "determined" by the interjection of an Observer....

Yet truly, I'm following you here: "... our body exist in the sensed linear temporal realm, and our soul exists in this planar temporal realm, and the spirit component of our soul perhaps exists in yet a more complex (or perhaps more simple?) 'hypervolume'."

Perhaps what you intend by "hypervolume" here might have something to do with the "shape" of the Creation that God made, via Logos Alpha–Omega. From "our" point of view, this might look very much like a "hypersurface."

Thank you so very much, dear brother in Christ, for sharing your thoughts re: this irresistibly fascinating topic!!!

113 posted on 10/15/2012 3:17:37 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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