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To: BlackElk
I know what dems are going to say on the issue of abortion - I know what we're going to say. We've been there - we've done that - we're right on the issue. They're wrong.

So what?

Being right hasn't changed the fact that abortions have been done in this country for almost half a century - and dems use the issue to put incompetents in office.

I've heard both sides. You have too... Tell me what you think will be accomplished by going at this again when we don't have the votes to do squat?

Freedom from gun control works for us - do you think some liberal moderator will focus on that issue? Dems believe in gun control as firmly as we believe abortion is murder. They will not give gun control one minute because it works against them and they don't have the votes.

Same spot we're in.

They're quietly working on gun control- we're quietly working to stop abortion. It can't JUST be an issue to keep our people from being elected.

79 posted on 10/11/2012 3:22:45 PM PDT by GOPJ (You only establish a feel for the line by having crossed it. - - Freeper One Name)
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To: GOPJ; Dr. Sivana; RitaOK; Tennessee Nana; Finny; cripplecreek; GailA; Windflier; shibumi; ...
GOPJ:

Time was when gun control had a substantial popular support (never including me). JFK was shot to death when I was a teenager in 1963. I found it incomprehensible that the blame fell on the Mannlicher Carcano rifle and other weapons when the crime was committed by Lee Harvey Oswald. Banning mail order sales of rifles passed Congress and made as much sense as a ban on automobiles after some multiple fatality accident. Conservatives, all REAL conservatives opposed gun control.

Then the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., was shot to death by a sniper, apparently James Earl Ray, using a rifle from a distance. We knew what the Democrats were going to say and they did. It was a presidential election year!!! They knew we would oppose gun control. It was still the sniper and not the rifle that was at fault.

Then Robert F. Kennedy was put out of our misery by Sirhan Bishara Sirhan using a pathetic little H & R Richardson .22 caliber revolver at a mild distance. It was still a presidential election year. We knew what the Democrats were going to say and they did. They knew we would oppose what they were saying and we did. Sirhan and not the revolver was at fault. Gun control laws, state and national were enacted nonetheless.

Then Governor George Corley Wallace was shot on May 15, 1972 by Arthur Bremer using a handgun. Although Wallace and other victims survived Bremer's efforts, we knew what the Democrats were going to say and they did. They knew we would oppose what they were saying. Gun control remained popular.

On December 8, 1980, Mark David Chapman murdered John Lennon. The Demonrats.... We..... Gun control remained popular.

On March 30, 1981, John Hinckley shot Ronald Reagan with a .22 revolver. We knew what the Democrats were going to say and they did. They knew we would oppose what they said and we did. Nonetheless, the Brady Bill was enacted.

If this saga seems boring, bear in mind that the gun controllers are now in about the same sort of disorganized flight in terror as was the Union Army at First and Second Battles of Bull Run (aka Manassas). The SCOTUS has recently turned our way in Second Amendment cases out of DC and Chicago and many more supplemental cases are on their way to SCOTUS. We are winning. If the GOP abandons the resistance to gun control, abandons a full-throated defense of the Second Amendment, abandons its very vocal defense of gun owners and their rights, then the GOP deserves to die and to die at the hands of conservatives. The GOP-E can go straight to hell.

We have attained majoritarian status as to guns not by cowering somewhere in a closet, not by being ultra-polite and ohhhh sooooo upper middle-class and non-threatening to our enemies but rather by taking the issue fiercely forward and ramming it right down their infernal throats.

Likewise, as to the matter of the premeditated murder of innocent unborn infants whose deaths are "planned" by their own mothers, often by their own fathers, by sorry excuses for medical doctors, by Demonrat politicos and judges (and some "GOP" judges as well). That would be in addition to the 50+ million babies already sliced, diced and hamburgerized by surgical abortion alone since Herod Blackmun's baby-murdering fatwa known as Roe vs. Wade.

Most of all, neither the gun owners nor the babies nor the traditionally defined institution of marriage nor the armed forces nor the defense of this nation nor Absolute American sovereignty vis-a-vis foreign and internationalist enemies nor the veterans nor legitimate law enforcement nor any other core conservative interest ought be considered by the GOP-E as expendable so that the Myth Romneys and their peers can "win" and protect Muffie's all important trust fund comforts and Skipper's string of polo ponies.

Much less should any of those core conservative values be abandoned in some quest to preserve the tax privileges of the verrrry comfortable. If the Bush tax rates for those earning less than $200 K per person or less than $250 K per couple can be preserved at the price of raising the rate on the comfies to 39 1/2% from 35%, then do it and take that issue off the table and protect the vast majority of Americans and take from the Demonrats the economically populist argument they have been using since Dubya signed those tax rates into law. Fair? No but neither is babykilling and neither is gun-grabbing. It is about time that the unpopular priority of the GOP-E was put on the back burner rather than the babies' very lives (even if Muffy and her pals at the Junior League ache to "preserve their options" to butcher their unscheduled babies in defense of their "reputations" or convenience or whatever and Skipper wants to avoid financial and paternal responsibility for his "unwanted" offspring) or the advancement of the right of self-defense.

Gallup says that a majority of Americans are pro-life with such exceptions as life of the mother or rape. We are most of the way to democratic victory. I believe that the right of self-defense is also a helluva lot more popular than than is Muffie's trust fund or Thurston Howell's tax advantages. Care to disagree with specifics???

A new political party which would be "moderately" populist on economics and tax issues while being morally militant (against corruption as well as defending marriage and babies) and gung ho for guns and nationalist in foreign policy would be the right prescription to replace the increasingly useless GOP. (See not only Romney but also McConnell, Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy and a host of other detritus allegedly representing CONSERVATIVES in DC while selling us out at every opportunity to satisfy their money masters.

The Federalists died of money mania. So did the Whigs. So will the GOP.

What do I think that pro-life militancy will accomplish? Exactly what we have accomplished on guns! If you are actually pro-life, this and every other time is the time to prove it. Not quietly. Not politely. Not fearfully. NEVER in deference to $$$.

If you find yourself bored by predictable arguments over babies, marriage, and guns, for three examples, I cannot describe how bored I am watching the greed and soullessness of the big shots ride roughshod over the babies and marriage and guns and many other worthier priorities than those that seem to inspire the useless GOP-E.

80 posted on 10/11/2012 5:52:36 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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