Biden's laughter a sign of 'passion and joy,' Carney says

politico44 ^ | 10/12/12 | DONOVAN SLACK

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Tax cuts do spur job creation, and that does a great deal for our future. It reduces welfare and jobless outlays. In Reagan’s day, it doubled government receipts during his presidency. The down side? The Democrats tripled spending”

Those darn Democrats do that every time. And under both Bush's too. And they managed to spend in spite of Boehner taking over the House, even though there is no filibuster in the House.

But dont worry, Romney will be different you can bet on it, but if he doesnt I bet we will be told that deficits are good again. So it wont matter how big they get if they are good again. And it wont be his fault. It will be those Demy-crats that do it, if it is bad, but not if it is good.

[DoughtyOne]

RE: Tax cuts do spur job creation, and that does a great deal for our future. It reduces welfare and jobless outlays. In Reagan’s day, it doubled government receipts during his presidency. The down side? The Democrats tripled spending.

Those darn Democrats do that every time. And under both Bush's too. And they managed to spend in spite of Boehner taking over the House, even though there is no filibuster in the House.

I agree.  More pointedly, I agree that the Republicans have adopted the Left's desire to grow government, and debts.  So what should we do?  It's my take that we advocate for more sound governance from the Republicans, and try to enlarge the portion of the Republican party that is Tea Party oriented.  And if you retort that even Tea Party members seem to morph once in Washington, I'd be sympathetic to the view.  I still believe that we have a better chance with more Tea Party members in the mix.  The Tea Party folks have at least said they understand Conservative principles somewhere along the way, and that's more than we can say about most Republicans these days.

But dont worry, Romney will be different you can bet on it, but if he doesnt I bet we will be told that deficits are good again.

Frankly, this is why I won't be voting for him.   One thing that he undeniably has going for him, is that he isn't pro-Islam, anti-Israel, and most importantly anti-U. S.  (not that all his policies will be pro-U. S., because they won't be)  And so, I won't vote for him?  I expect you to be validated on these talking points, and I don't want to have backed him at the polling booth.  Would I rather see him in there than Obama?  Yes.  That's a somewhat hollow yes though.  Neither of these guys is going to represent Conservatism well.  We can only hope he surprises us in some ways.  Even that will most likely be a vapor-trail in time...

So it wont matter how big they get if they are good again. And it wont be his fault. It will be those Demy-crats that do it, if it is bad, but not if it is good.

To a number of folks on the Right, you'll be correct.  To many of us who trashed Bush for doing what he was doing, we'll continue to hold our side's feet to the fire when they rule as Democrats.  And as predicted, we'll have to fight folks right here on the forum to do so.

[DoughtyOne]

BTW: There was no filibuster. There were also not enough vetoes in those days. Reagan could have done better. I will say that he had a number of things on his plate with the cold war and the Democrats being angry about which direction he was leading the nation.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Frankly, this is why I won't be voting for him.”

Now you caught me by surprise. My state will easily go for O so my vote wont count anyway.

[DoughtyOne]

You’re in California too aren’t you. At any rate, the same could be said for me. My vote won’t count. That’s not why I’m doing it though.

I don’t want it on my conscience that I voted for Romney.

I realize this is overkill, but this is like asking me if I want Tex Watson or Squeaky Frome released from prison.

I don’t want either.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”You’re in California too aren’t you.”

Now there's a state to feel alone in. The very rich and the very poor and Democrats there thinking Jerry Brown is a conservative.

Sending out those IOUs was priceless.

As was CA passing price controls on electricity that must be bought from other states, then finding out that they just sell it to someone else at a higher price and let your lights go out.

That's reality slapping them in the face. Reality trumps 'fairness'

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Ah, so that was the demographic. No wonder

I have not seen every Luntz show, but I think he usually has a better balance.

Maybe there was some kind of screwup that he didn't have time to fix before the debate.

Or maybe he wanted to see if Obama voters would switch sides.

Your guess is at least as good as mine.

I do think that drawing sweeping conclusions one way or another from such a small group is questionable.

Why would Luntz go there? It completely defeated any possible positive feedback for Ryan.

Not quite, a few of them praised Ryan, but it would make it unlikely that Ryan would get most of their votes.

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So now Joe Biden is Zorba the Greek all of a sudden?

[DoughtyOne]

California is such a strange place. You have the best of people and the worst of people.

Just when you think there’s no redeeming value to the state, they go and turn down homosexual marriage being treated on the same basis as heterosexual marriage.

On the one hand, you have people really angry about what’s going on in the state, and on the other they keep voting the same nit-wits back into power.

Go figure...

[DoughtyOne]

That is true. I did see a couple of folks support Ryan.

[sickoflibs]

Newsmax calls them undecided voters, not committed Democrats. Also it looks like a FNC selected focus group and was presented on Hannity's show.

A quick survey of a small group of undecided voters Thursday night by Fox News political consultant Frank Luntz found that all were still uncertain about who they would vote for on Nov. 6 after watching the vice presidential debate.
Some of the 26 interviewed by Luntz said they were put off by what they described as Vice President Joe Biden’s “condescending” and “disrespectful” attitude towards the younger Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan.
Others in the group said they didn't understand why Ryan couldn't be more specific about how GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney intends to implement his “five-point” plan to get the economy back on track.
.....But overall, the participants in the Fox News post-debate interview, which aired on the Sean Hannity program, said they were impressed that both candidates seemed prepared and had a solid grasp of the issues. Most, however, gave Biden higher marks than Ryan when it came to explaining the problems facing the country and laying out the differences between the two campaigns.
Luntz Focus Group: Undecided Voters Still Undecided After Debate (Friday, 12 Oct 2012, Newsmax.com)

[DoughtyOne]

They can spin it any way they like. Take a look at the video yourself. Luntz introduces them as 26 undecideds, then asks how many voted for Obama in 2008. Hands go up all over the place. How many voted for McCain? About five hands go up. Then he describes the group as leaning to Obama, but still undecided.

“Right?” No answer.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/11/luntz_focus_group_on_vp_debate_biden_was_arrogant.html

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Just when you think there’s no redeeming value to the state, they go and turn down homosexual marriage being treated on the same basis as heterosexual marriage.”

My understanding is that repeal was successful because of the support of many (not all) Hispanics who normally vote Democrat on other issues.
Here in Maryland we are hoping many blacks and Hispanics join in to vote for the repeal gay marriage referendum on the ballot. Otherwise it will be a waste of time. Too many white libs here join the minorities.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”They can spin it any way they like. “

They being Newsmax, Hannity and FNC? They cant all be part of a conspiracy. How many McCain voters are undecided?

What if he picked all McCain voters? That would be completely worthless. He is trying to figure out who is winning the election and 99% of those who voted for Mccain have decided long ago..

The mistake he made was polling people outside of swing states OH, FLA, VA. They will decide the election.

[DoughtyOne]

I wouldn’t be surprised. There are many Conservative areas of California too. Unfortunately, the big cities have more liberals, and they get outvoted.

Good luck to your state on this. Every state has turned it down so far.

[DoughtyOne]

Frankly, I don’t give NewsMax, Hannity, or FoxNews kudos overall. They’ve each got their problems. Conspiracy? No. Mush-headed? Yes.

Can’t tell you how many times we have had Obama dead to rights, and they equate the two sides as both being reasoned, and it’s just a push. Wrong. It’s not even close at times.

All I’m saying is that of 26 people called in as supposedly undecided, at least half and likely a little more were Obama supporters in 2008. That’s 50% plus. By a show of hands, less than 20% were voters for McCain.

So when he asks the group who won, does he really expect an unbiased uncommitted answer? If he does, he’s farther gone than I had thought.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Good luck to your state on this”

Repealing the Dream Act in-state tuition discounts for illegals is also on the ballot.

I have heard talk that O Malley was able to pack the Maryland supreme court to overturn a voters referendum on gay marriage repeal and if you knew how sleazy he is you would believe it.

O Malley is downright evil and he seems to hypnotize the masses here.

[ThE_RiPpEr.]

I would love to see someone put together a you tube clip or commercial of ‘That 70’s Show’ where they are sitting at the table in the basement passing the joint laughing and have them pan from each character and back to Joe Biden laughing while they make fun of unemployed, high gas prices, etc.

It could be powerfully funny!

[sickoflibs]

RE :”All I’m saying is that of 26 people called in as supposedly undecided, at least half and likely a little more were Obama supporters in 2008. That’s 50% plus. By a show of hands, less than 20% were voters for McCain.”

Obama voters. They were not Obama campaign workers(ie ‘supporters’).
Obama won in 2008 with a huge turnout vote and McCain voters obviously will not decide this election. They are not undecided, except maybe a few who will refuse to vote at all. But that is few.

Look, we can believe Rush when he tells us who is winning each battle as he must poll his 24-7 subscribers to get his predictions. That feels good until election day then boom, the dream world collapses as it did in 2006 AND 2008.

[Let's Roll]

I saw laughter covering anger, frustration and resentment ... but that’s just me believing my lying eyes again.