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Planned Parenthood “Two-for-One” Deal Not So Popular
Townhall.com ^ | October 13, 2012 | Steve Aden

Posted on 10/13/2012 6:03:48 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Mrs. Don-o
Half the babies aborted (well, 45%+) were conceived while the mother was using contraceptives.

Let's be very specific about this. Around 25% of girls having abortions *claim* to have been using contraceptives at the time they got pregnant (according to studies). None of the studies can actually verify contraceptive use (nor do the study authors want to verify that). In my experience, I have *never* met someone who claimed to be using contraceptives when they got pregnant.

A very significant thing that I remember is that, back in the early 70s, right after Roe vs. Wade, a PP representative came to "educate" my high school biology class. She gave the failure rates of various contraceptives--none of them were less than 95% reliable; most were around 99%. But, after several years of easily accessible abortion, there is no contraceptive with over 80% reliability. Does that mean the contraceptives changed? No. It means that women are lying about using contraceptives when they weren't.

It may seem couneintuitive, but historically abortion rates rise AFTER the introduction of widespread contraception.

There are a number of reasons for that. One, is that more girls having intercourse leads to more pregnancies, no matter what kind of contraceptive is used. The other is that, if PP is giving the contraceptive information, they stress how unreliable and dangerous contraceptives are, and how safe abortion is in comparison--so that while they are giving lip service to encouraging contraceptive use, their actual action is to discourage it. (I remember this from my own experiences with PP as a teenager, and I have seen no evidence that PP's tactics have changed.)

21 posted on 10/13/2012 8:10:51 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
In my experience, I have *never* met someone who claimed to be using contraceptives when they got pregnant.

I know one. She had four babies in very quick secession after she got married and yes she did use birth control. She wanted kids but not four in 40 months.

Your PP rep back in the 70's was lying about how effective birth control is.

22 posted on 10/13/2012 8:20:57 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Fate plays chess and you don't find out until too late that he's been using two queens all along)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
In my experience, I have *never* met someone who claimed to be using contraceptives when they got pregnant.

I know one. She had four babies in very quick secession after she got married and yes she did use birth control. She wanted kids but not four in 40 months.

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear enough. What I should have said was that I have *never* met someone using abortion for birth control who claimed to be using contraceptives when they got pregnant.

It is my impression that women who are more conscientious about using birth control and get pregnant anyway are less likely to have abortions.

24 posted on 10/13/2012 10:02:51 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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Well, first off, I was wrong: it's not 45% of aborted babies who were conceived when mom was on contraceptives, but more like 54%, according to Guttmacher (Link). Other than that, my post is true as it stands.

You are right that this is based on self-reporting, which has recognized accuracy problems; but whatever the case, we know that in the aggregate, conraceptive use, abortions and STI's go up in tandem.

It may be failure rates are highest in Planned Parenthood’s customer base: among cohabitors, among low income, African-American and Hispanic women, among adolescents and women in their 20s. Adolescent women who are not married but cohabitating experience a failure rate of about 47% in the first year of contraceptive use.

In Sweden, between 1995 and 2001, teen abortion rates grew 32% during a period of vast expansion of access to low-cost condoms, oral contraceptives and over-the-counter emergency contraception. Similarly, National Review reported that “out of 23 studies on the effects of increased access to ECs, not one study could show a reduction in unintended pregnancies or abortions.”

Guttmacher showed simultaneous increases in both abortion rates and contraceptive use in the U.S., Cuba, Denmark, the Netherlands, Singapore, and South Korea.

A good 2012 article (Link).

For whatever combination of reasons, it is simply a demonstrated fact, recognized by the abortion industry itself, that increasing access to contraceptives increases abotions. We may be scratching our heads and saying "Why?" but the correlation is there: year after year, over and over and over again.

25 posted on 10/14/2012 8:21:47 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("God bless the child that's got his own." Billie Holiday / Arthur Herzog Jr)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
For whatever combination of reasons, it is simply a demonstrated fact, recognized by the abortion industry itself, that increasing access to contraceptives increases abotions. We may be scratching our heads and saying "Why?" but the correlation is there: year after year, over and over and over again.

I'm not going to go through everything point by point.

It is necessary to keep in mind that almost anyone reporting on birth control failures has an agenda. The Guttmacher Institute (aka Planned Parenthood) has a very strong motivation to encourage the belief that abortion does not result from irresponsible behavior. Some pro-life organizations, it seems, also promote the idea that contraceptives are useless, but for a different purpose. The one side promotes abortion, the other promotes abstinence. The true answer, I believe, lies somewhere else.

Just because contraceptives are made more available does not mean they will be used. I remember the Planned Parenthood sales pitch from the 1970s (I doubt it's changed). It was essentially this:

-Contraceptives have a high failure rate
-Contraceptives are extremely dangerous and could kill you
-The sex drive is too strong to be resisted
-Abortion is perfectly safe at any time
-A late-term abortion will permanently eliminate menstrual cramps

After a sales pitch like that, it is not surprising that a certain number of the target audience will end up buying abortion services.

If I had my way, women would pay for their own abortions--no subsidies, no tax-payer funds, no insurance. They would be accurately educated beforehand on the development of the fetus, they would be shown a high-quality ultrasound, and they would be shown the baby after the abortion. I'd also like to see "sex education" in schools that accurately discusses human prenatal development.

26 posted on 10/14/2012 5:45:54 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom; Tax-chick
I "poisonally" think their aim is to get all females from menarche to menopause on long-term hormonal contraception. Develop a one-year implant, market it to everybody, train all health, education, and welfare personnel to push getting the implants renewed every year.

Result: very few abortions, very few live births, a nonstop cascade of STI's to keep the industry employed, endocrine disruptors in every watershed, egg-proteins in the testicles of all the aquatic vertebrates and most of the Justins, Jaydens and Jamals, a public "narrative" that says "We solved the problem! Praise Saint Sanger, it's win - win - win!" And when the cephalosporin-resistant gonorrhea gets going REAL good, exceedingly high female sterility (and death) rate --- venereal plagues --- and no more future generations!

Hosea 9:11 ff

Except for the Remnant, I suppose. The Amish and the Ummah.

Final Solution! Tra-la, Inshallah!

27 posted on 10/15/2012 7:31:17 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("God bless the child that's got his own." Billie Holiday / Arthur Herzog Jr)
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