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Georgia's Super Speeder Law
State of Georgia ^ | 1/1/2010 | State

Posted on 10/16/2012 5:29:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf

New State Law Gets Tough on Illegal Speeders NEW ‘SUPER SPEEDER LAW’ STARTS NEW YEAR WITH NEW FINES

(JANUARY 1, 2010) Georgia drivers should mark that date on their calendars and put a sticky note next to their keys.. January 1st, 2010. It’s the day the new state ‘Super Speeder Law’ goes into effect in Georgia. And any high-risk drivers who make a habit of ignoring posted speed limits will be the first to feel the pinch of higher state fines (called fees) on their wallets.

How much higher? The new law titled HB160 tacks-on another two-hundred-dollar state-fee for any driver convicted of speeding at 75-or-more on any two-lane roads.. OR convicted of speeding at 85-and-over anywhere in Georgia. Those new state fees will be in addition to any local fines already in effect in the jurisdiction where the speeding offense occurs.

Who is a SuperSpeeder? Under the provisions of this new Georgia law, any driver convicted of violating HB160 will now be classified by the state as a ‘Super Speeder’ and subject to an additional fee. The new ‘SuperSpeeder Law’ is designed to get tough on high-risk drivers who’ve been endangering other motorists and ignoring warnings to slow down. On average, there’s a speed-related death-a-day in Georgia!

The ‘SuperSpeeder Law’ established the new state fees to help police put the brakes on Georgia’s dangerous and illegal speeders. Failure to pay the ‘SuperSpeeder’ fee results in an additional $50.00 fee and the suspension of the offender’s driving privileges and license. ‘SuperSpeeder’ is a highway safety law designed to save lives on our roads by changing the way illegal speeders drive in Georgia... by slowing them down within legal limits.

And these new fees will save lives another way. Fees collected under the new ‘SuperSpeeder Law’ will be used to help fund Georgia’s trauma care hospital system where approximately sixty-percent of all trauma-care-patients are crash-related. Now for the first time, ‘SuperSpeeders’ will help pay for the hospital beds where their crash-victims are being treated.

Drivers need to remember: There are safety reasons for posted speed limits. Any time motorists drive at illegal speeds they put themselves, their passengers and others at tremendous risk. Crash forces double on impact with every ten mph increase in speed above fifty. Speed reduces the amount of available time needed to avoid a crash. Georgia’s new ‘Super Speeder Law’ and fees go into effect January 1st, 2010.

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VIEW PHOTOS AND COMMENTARY FROM THE LATEST SUPER SPEEDER NEWS CONFERENCE IN COLUMBUS HERE

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: biggestgangintown; corruption; donutwatch; government; highwayrobbery; highwaytax; moneygrab; shakedownracket; taxes; traffictickets
This is just to inform anyone who does not live in Georgia but may find themselves driving there sometime. Be warned!

A law was enacted in Georgia in 2010 called "super speeder". Interestingly, if you google news articles for "super speeder" you find not one article. However, If you search the entire internet, you find scores of people who are very, VERY angry about it.

Basically, if you pay a ticket for going 85 or over on the freeway, or 70 or over on a two lane road, after you pay the fine, the state will then send you a $200 "super speeder" ticket for admitting guilt, usually months later. It is especially hard for out of state drivers.

There are lots of comments at various sites. Here is a good starting point: http://forums.motorists.org/read.php?2,1521,2148

Some of the draconian measures the state has taken with some drivers is amazing.

In a nutshell, if you are pulled over on the freeway in GA and the officer is polite and wants to reduce the speed to 85, make sure he makes it 84. And wink.

1 posted on 10/16/2012 5:29:39 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf
Another problem with that part of the country:


2 posted on 10/16/2012 5:35:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

So, where did they catch you?

This law is not about safety, it is a revenue generation law. And, they can arrest you and jail you on the super speeder violation, depending on the mood of Officer Friendly. Then, on top of the huge fines, you pay $250 tow and impound fee, and $25 a day storage.


3 posted on 10/16/2012 5:40:44 AM PDT by wrench
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To: cuban leaf
70 or over on a two lane road

In Texas, we have two lane roads with a 70 mph speed limit. 103 east of Lufkin for example, although it does have an additional lane on some of the hills for slower traffic.

4 posted on 10/16/2012 5:41:20 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: wrench

bingo


5 posted on 10/16/2012 5:44:15 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: cuban leaf

This is nothing. In Canada, traveling 50 kph over the speed limit is punishable by a $10,000 fine, roadside seizure of your vehicle, and roadside suspension of your license.

I have to say, in my short time up there I did not encounter any aggressive drivers. I’m not saying... just saying.


6 posted on 10/16/2012 5:45:08 AM PDT by MeanGreen2008
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To: wrench

So, where did they catch you?


They didn’t. :-)

My wife works at a Kentucky University “international students” group. One of her students was pulled over in GA for doing 92 in a 70 and the cop reduced it to 85. He paid the ticket and was at his wits end when, months later, he got the fine for $200. He paid it.

But some people get the notice and think it’s some sort of scam.

I read a bunch of articles about this thing and was shocked at how this law is impacting well over 100,000 drivers.

Me, I like to learn from the mistakes of others and warn my fellow freepers. :-D


7 posted on 10/16/2012 5:47:20 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: wrench

Nothing more than the current day sheriff of nottingham.

Now, when the get the speed cameras up and running, this will be a conveyor belt from your bank to the state.

I guess by their inane reasoning, it is safer to pass a large vehicle on a two lane road by staying at or under the speed limit rather than passing at a higher speed and getting out of the way of incoming traffic. Right.


8 posted on 10/16/2012 5:49:57 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: MeanGreen2008

Just happier where I live after reading stuff like that. My daughter got caught doing 85 in a 65. The HP guy only ticketed her at 75. On about 3 occasions I’ve been caught speeding, and the excessive speed was not ticketed, but not wearing my seat belt was.


9 posted on 10/16/2012 5:52:18 AM PDT by redfreedom (Just a simpleton enjoying the freedoms a fly-over/red state has to offer.)
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To: cuban leaf

A fellow I worked with got an overnight stay at the Gray Bar thanks to this law. Of course, one time he was towing a bass boat @ 92 mph in a 45 zone. He has 3 fast driving awards since this law went into effect, and his Lawyer is tickled pink.


10 posted on 10/16/2012 5:52:28 AM PDT by wrench
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To: cuban leaf

Don’t quote me on it but I believe in TX going 20 mph over the posted speed limit can be considered reckless endangerment and an arrestable offence.


11 posted on 10/16/2012 5:52:47 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: wrench

About 20 years ago I sold a car I had fairly well restored (1966 Dodge Polaris Station Wagon) but never sent in the seller’s report of sale. I used the money to take my family to Disneyland.

When I returned I got a bill for $350 for storage. The buyer had never reported the sale and he was t-boned by the Spirit of Washington dinner train. Almost killed him.

Anyway, the car STILL sold at auction for $300, so I paid the $50 in person and requested a receipt from the towing/storage company (the one Seattle used - they had that pink “toe truck” in front of their impound lot near Lake Union) and asked the lady to write “paid in full” and sign it.

So, fast forward a few months. I get a collection notice for not paying. To make a long story short, that receipt sealed the deal.

Whenever dealing with government agencies or their private agents regarding bills you didn’t voluntarily enter into, you want to cover all your bases. The other shoe will almost certainly drop and you need tools to be able to easily dodge it.

In a very real way, I see the FedGov as the equivalent of the Soviet Union as it was described to me in grade school in the 1960’s. Some state and local governments are even worse. Though, to be honest, some are better.


12 posted on 10/16/2012 5:54:15 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: MeanGreen2008

I have to say, in my short time up there I did not encounter any aggressive drivers. I’m not saying... just saying.


There is a good argument for increasing the fine for more agressive driving, but the method by which it is applied should consider the impact on the life of the individual being fined.

For starters, a REGISTERED mailing should be required if the gov is going to start fining for not responding. I ended up with over $600 in fines for blowing through a few toll booths in Chicago because I failed to respond to notices I never received.

And my credit card expired without me receiving the replacement cards that had been sent out two months before. And it’s been two weeks since I let them know and I still have not received the replacement cards.

I no longer trust the USPS to get mail to me. It’s been a slow decline in confidence, but the cards not showing up was the final straw. BTW, we actually had the USPS start holding our mail for pickup a few months ago, so it’s not being stolen.

But back to your main point and where I tend to disagree: You could make the penalty for being a “super speeder” 10 years in prison. Sure, nobody would speed, but would that be the way a free country would do it. Also, if you were caught, might you be less inclined to pull over and more inclined to be featured in a “great police chases” video?

I would. But having outrun the police twice in my life (a few decades ago), my mind always goes that way. ‘Course, they didn’t have dash cam’s back then...


13 posted on 10/16/2012 6:00:50 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

What a racket! Someone should challenge this law on double jeopardy grounds.


14 posted on 10/16/2012 6:04:21 AM PDT by TheCPA
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To: cuban leaf

Another of Ga’s little tricks:

You are from out of state and get a traffic ticket. Never going back to Ga, so you ignore it. They find you guilty, but can not take your out of state license (no jurisdiction), so they issue you a Ga drivers license, and revoke it.

The revocation shows up next time you go to renew your license, or if stopped on another traffic violation anywhere in the country. Gets real expensive and painful to get the revocation removed.


15 posted on 10/16/2012 6:05:21 AM PDT by wrench
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To: cuban leaf
There are safety reasons for posted speed limits

Safety may be the pretext, but the actual numeric value is frequently not determined by safety but rather by politics and revenue enhancement.
16 posted on 10/16/2012 6:05:32 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: Dusty Road

Don’t quote me on it but I believe in TX going 20 mph over the posted speed limit can be considered reckless endangerment and an arrestable offence.


But they don’t come by, months later and after you paid the fine, to arrest you.

It’s not that the super speeder law is wrong in principle. It is the way it is administered.

What is LOTS more unfair on the face of it is the “california” right turn tickets at red light cameras in, of all places, California, that cost in excess of $400. You could come to an “almost” complete stop and roll for 10 feet, barely moving, before actually turning and you will get the ticket in the mail.

This is all about the “not knowing what you are being fined AT THE TIME” part. I hate that when dealing with the state for something like this one must live out their life worrying about some other shoe that may drop. It makes you a sort of psychological “ward of the state”.

It is not what happens to people in a free society.


17 posted on 10/16/2012 6:05:46 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
This is just to inform anyone who does not live in Georgia but may find themselves driving there sometime. Be warned!

I live in Georgia and don't have a problem with it. It's actually reasonable compared to Massachusetts, where they tack on a few extra dollars for every mile per hour over the speed limit so fines can run into the thousands for super speeders.

We drive to Florida 3-4 times per year down Interstate 75, about 200 miles of Georgia road. Set the cruise control at 79mph and have never been pulled over. I pass speed traps just about every trip and they don't do a thing.

18 posted on 10/16/2012 6:07:33 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: cuban leaf
Speed does not kill!

Why is the Autobahn Safer than US Interstates?

The Autobahn is a world renowned highway system in Germany which is touted for its lack of speed limitations. Drivers from all over the world travel to Germany to indulge themselves in the thrill of driving at high speeds. But as you grant autobahn drivers the freedom to drive faster, won’t their safety be in jeopardy?

Not necessarily. In stark contrast to common sense the autobahn, where some drivers exceed 200 mph, is relatively safe. The fatality rate on the German autobahn is actually much lower than that observed on the US interstate system. The Economist reports that per every 100,000 people under the age of 24, in the US nearly 20 die in auto accidents compared to approximately 7 in Germany. Even with this low amount of deaths, one would assume that the "dangerous" autobahn accounted for most of the German accidents. Yet, in 2009 accidents on the autobahn accounted for less than 10%. How can this be?

http://www.thinktransatlantic4.com/2012/04/is-autobahn-safer-than-us-interstates.html

19 posted on 10/16/2012 6:08:50 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: thackney

Come on out to Andres county. 75 is the norm.


20 posted on 10/16/2012 6:10:34 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: cuban leaf

My 22 yr old daughter has a super speeder trophy from GA. She has graduated from the School of Hard Knocks with honors. She no longer speeds in GA.


21 posted on 10/16/2012 6:19:11 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: cuban leaf
Here's an idea- go under the speed limit. If the speed limit is 55, go 54 or less. If the speed limit is 65 or 70, go 1-10 mph slower.

I used to be just like most of you, driving 5-10 mph above the speed limit. However, in these tough economic times, the police are looking for any revenue they can get. Plus, it doesn't take any less time to get where you're going.

The only exception is those crazy speed trap towns like Golden Meadow, LA, or one of those small towns in Central Missouri (has Northern Hospitality and Southern efficiency), where they hide speed limits behind trees, change speed limits every 100 ft or so, then you have to be on extra special guard.

22 posted on 10/16/2012 6:19:35 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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To: cuban leaf

This law is great!! I am so sick of people, especially teens, who are in a big hurry to get NOWHERE. The fees/fines are reasonable enough. Don’t wanna pay it?? Then quit speeding!


23 posted on 10/16/2012 6:23:52 AM PDT by floridavoter2
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To: floridavoter2

spoiled, instant gratification culture.. can’t wait to get ‘there’ for some reason


24 posted on 10/16/2012 6:25:15 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Lockbox

The US interstate system is nearly 9 times longer than the autobahn system. The fatality rate on the autobahn is roughly double that of the US.


25 posted on 10/16/2012 6:48:35 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: wrench

Another of Ga’s little tricks:

You are from out of state and get a traffic ticket. Never going back to Ga, so you ignore it. They find you guilty, but can not take your out of state license (no jurisdiction), so they issue you a Ga drivers license, and revoke it.

The revocation shows up next time you go to renew your license, or if stopped on another traffic violation anywhere in the country. Gets real expensive and painful to get the revocation removed.


Yeah, I read about that from some guy in florida. I wonder how they know the Georgia license is you and not some other guy with the same name.

One of the sites I visited was looking for people to include in a class action suit. You are right about the double Jeopardy thing. How can you respond to a ticket in the mail that you didn’t know was coming and never reaches you, BTW? And if you are from out-of-state, ignorance of the law IS an excuse.


26 posted on 10/16/2012 7:16:40 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: GeronL

spoiled, instant gratification culture.. can’t wait to get ‘there’ for some reason


If only it were that simple. And I wish that was all there is to it.


27 posted on 10/16/2012 7:18:41 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: floridavoter2

The fees/fines are reasonable enough. Don’t wanna pay it?? Then quit speeding!
I actually have no problem with the fine. In fact, that is not even the issue for me.

The issue is how they do it. And that is a very big deal.

Chicago, for years, allowed people to blow through highway tolls without doing anything, but saving the who and when for every single offense. Then, YEARS later, they sent people tickets and threatening warnings to pay or else. Many, MANY people were sent five figure bills, some DEEPLY five figure.

Imagine doing 79 in a 79 for years, even passing radar cops who ignore you. Then one day you get a “collective” speeding ticket for $25,000. And you pay or they take your license and your house. That is the moral equivalent of what happened in Chicago, and what is happening in Georgia is of a similar spirit.

I have no problem with them tacking this onto the ticket, but it should be done BEFORE the person agrees to pay the ticket and not fight it.


28 posted on 10/16/2012 7:23:43 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

See my post 28. I don’t have a problem with the extra $200, IF it is part of the actual citation you receive.


29 posted on 10/16/2012 7:25:33 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

This is what happens when the DUI money they enjoyed for so many years starts to dry up a little.


30 posted on 10/16/2012 7:28:03 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: MuttTheHoople

Here’s an idea- go under the speed limit. If the speed limit is 55, go 54 or less. If the speed limit is 65 or 70, go 1-10 mph slower.


That is what causes traffic jams and traffic fatalities. I drive 46 miles to work every single day in a 55 mph zone on a two lane highway. I do a little over 65 and have passed many a cop (average two every three days) going the other way with reverse radar. 14 months so far and no tickets. People who are going less than 60 get passed without hesitation.

The only risk is hitting a deer. But since it is clear at least 30 yards on either side of the road, I’m not too worried about that.


31 posted on 10/16/2012 7:29:30 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

79 in a 79 = 79 in a 70


32 posted on 10/16/2012 7:30:59 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

When I got my first license, in Alabama, going 25mph over the speed limit on any road in that state would automatically get you arrested and charged with reckless driving. That came with a huge fine, a bit of jail time, and possible revocation of your license. That was the story, anyway, I don’t know for sure if that was actually the law. Since that was during the days of the 55mph maximum speed limit, 80 was the magic number on the freeways.


33 posted on 10/16/2012 7:50:11 AM PDT by Hepsabeth
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To: cuban leaf

The solution is scofflaw


34 posted on 10/16/2012 8:08:04 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: wrench

Correctamundo! The counties in GA that have Interstates running thru them see only fat wallets going by - not citizens that deserve the “protect and serve” sales pitch.


35 posted on 10/16/2012 8:31:10 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

“The counties in GA that have Interstates running thru them see only fat wallets going by “

Try speeding in West Virginia as an out of stater and see where that gets you. LOL


36 posted on 10/16/2012 8:44:28 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: cuban leaf
Speed doesn't kill, assuming a road or highway was properly engineered for that speed and weather conditions are good. It's a large speed differential between moving vehicles that causes a problem. For that reason, a vehicle traveling too slow can be just as much of a problem as one traveling too fast. If traffic is moving at 80 mph and your car is going 60, then it's at least as much of a problem as one going 100! (20 mph speed differential in either direction)
37 posted on 10/16/2012 8:54:48 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: Kirkwood
The US interstate system is nearly 9 times longer than the autobahn system. The fatality rate on the autobahn is roughly double that of the US.

Don't know where you got your info, but it appears to be incorrect.

Autobahn fatality rates are about 25% lower than US interstates.

NHTSA Admits Faulty Statistics for Autobahn

Autobahn Safer than Interstates

38 posted on 10/16/2012 9:50:06 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: TChris
Gah! Bad link...

NHTSA Admits Faulty Statistics for Autobahn

39 posted on 10/16/2012 9:52:12 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: wrench

On the out of state thing. When GA suspends you they also notify your state of the suspension and update the NDR/PDPS (National Driving Registry/Problem Driver Pointer System) operated by the federal gov’t. So when you renew your license, update it, your state checks the NDR/PDPS and if your name is there, no new license. And your state may decide to suspend you as well until business with GA is taken care of too.

Also with GA, their window tint law applies to out of state vehicles too.

I drove through GA last January and knew about the super-speeder fine. I kept my speed at 80, not bothered but was pulled over in TN for 81 in a 70 mph by a local. There was a lot of traffic from FL/GA border to TN/GA border on I-75. Saw much more local cops on the interstate than GA State Patrol.

> You are from out of state and get a traffic ticket. Never going back to Ga, so you ignore it. They find you guilty, but can not take your out of state license (no jurisdiction), so they issue you a Ga drivers license, and revoke it.

> The revocation shows up next time you go to renew your license, or if stopped on another traffic violation anywhere in the country. Gets real expensive and painful to get the revocation removed.


40 posted on 10/16/2012 10:26:54 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: cuban leaf

If you want safer highways: 1)If you do not currently have a law against cruising in the fast lane then create one and 2)Enforce it.


41 posted on 10/16/2012 12:55:16 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley

If you want safer highways: 1)If you do not currently have a law against cruising in the fast lane then create one and 2)Enforce it.


We are in 100% agreement there. It was a real problem where I lived in Seattle. Fortunately here in Kentucky, though it happens, it is much more rare.


42 posted on 10/16/2012 1:08:44 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Mouton

When the speed camera people (politically connected private industry) get involved, expect the program to be expanded incrementally to include things like 65-70 in a 55 zone.

What with half the money going to camera folks, new “revenue streams” will need to be factored in.


43 posted on 10/16/2012 1:52:32 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: TChris
Back in my fabled jeunesse dorée, super sports cars like Ferrari, and my own more modest 1.6L Alfa Giulia, were doing 0-60 in 7 and 10 secs, respectively.

Nowadays, the crummiest 5 yr-old Corolla, or a new KIA can do better than that, and these 3.0 L turbo rocket Soccer Mom vans and family sedans much, much better.

My question is "Why?" I used to drive between Ohio and DC quite frequently for business, and the normal cruise was 75+, but many is the 18-wheeler convoy doing a whole lot better than that.

Meanwhile, back in the motherlands, turbo-diesel family cars are giving the Euros 65 mpg as they cruise in comfort at 75-80. The VW TDI does close to that here.

Why are American spec vehicles sacrficing mpg for jack-rabbit starts and performance potential that cannot be legally used? Why not more Diesel sedans? Why no Diesel SUV's?

Instead of electric cars, the next phase maybe should concentrate on Diesels and CNG (we have, as Jay Leno pointed out, q 600-year supply!)

44 posted on 10/24/2012 10:05:26 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama = Allende on drugs.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
My question is "Why?"

Legitimate question. According to your priorities and judgment, it doesn't make sense. But it seems that there are other customers who prefer the higher performance, and it's their right to buy what they want.

45 posted on 10/24/2012 12:34:57 PM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: TChris
I think a wonderful way to restart american auto manufacturing would be to build a a "new VW",a "new FIAT 124," or even a "new Volvo B-18" sedan. Something that can carry 4 people without too much trouble. Diesel or Diesel CNG, no airbags, no power windows or locks,etc. etc. Aluminum chassis, plastic body panels, all up weight of max 2000, 1.5 liter engine, bring it in under $12,000, or perhaps closer to $10,000. Top speed should still be around 95, but should be geared for econo-cruise.

IOW, fed-spec it back to 1973, except for emissions. Euro-emissions, CA emissions are, IMNSVHO, are about as far as the IC engine is ever going to go before we switch to hydrogen, 200 years from now. A/C, CD-DVD? Sure. After- market mods? Sure, it's a free country. Tax break the heck out of it.

As to your point of "customers right to performance," OK! But why have speed limits, then?

Oh yeah, one more thing, elect me President and I shall shoot every tenth "green environmentalist" at least once a week.
Definition: Environmentalist = Rich Lefty who already has a nice house in the woods and doesn't want you close and who uses the word "pristine" a lot.

46 posted on 10/25/2012 11:58:02 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama = Allende on drugs.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
As to your point of "customers right to performance," OK! But why have speed limits, then?

Driver and/or road limitations.

For a long time, I've wished there was some sort of speed-graduated license available, like the current vehicle-weight-graduated licenses. Prove you can safely drive at 100 mph and have the requisite eyesight and reflexes, then you get a driver license which says so, and a sticker for the rear window of your car which says so. Or, maybe something like "20+", which permits you to drive 20 mph higher than the posted freeway speed limit, whatever that may be.

I think the minimum skills required for a driver license in the US are too low. Driving is treated like a constitutional right, when it's not.

Germany has far lower accident rates on the autobahn than we do on our interstates, notwithstanding higher speeds.

47 posted on 10/26/2012 8:30:22 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: TChris
I actually drove in Germany for quite a few years. The discipline would do some of our fellow citizens a lot of good ... not to mention the much stricter license requirements.

HOWEVER, it's not all that free and easy and has left me with some habits that do not endear me to our fellow citizens. In town, or built up areas I am a fanatic about observing the speed limit, absolutely slowing down for yellow lights, and really stopping for stop signs. On the interstates, if there are three lanes, I keep up with traffic in the middle lane, but never do more than 5-8 more than the posted speed limit. On the autobahn, I learned to drive to the safe envelope of my equipment, maxing at about 100MpH and staying out of the way of the rich boys in their big-bore stuff. Off the autobahn and driving through towns and especially villages, super careful. Gets me a lot of fingers in this country ... especially driving in Florida.... (Not in Maine, thank you!)

Not too many of us would like a German parking ticket, either, for the meter fraulein can write one up for a dirty car, a rusted car, a bad tire, bad wipers, hanging trim, cracked lenses or windshield, etc. ad inf.

One more thing on German safety, when they do have an accident on the autobahn, it ain't no fender bender. It's time for multiple meat wagons and life flights. In all, though, driving is for sure on a much higher performance and intellectual plane in Germany. And where BTW, murder is treated one hell of a lot more leniently than driving "under the influence."

48 posted on 10/26/2012 12:31:33 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama = Allende on drugs.)
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