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To: SmithL

Libertarians are not the same as conservatives.

Libertarians and conservatives share certain interests, such as smaller government, balanced budgets, lower taxes, freedom from oppressive government regulation, and freedom to raise children without government interference.

If libertarians and conservatives could only work together, then they would have taken back control of the government long since. But the press and the libs work hard to divide them, and they are only too willing to be divided.

I said this a thousand times over the decades, and it bears repeating.

Real libertarians have to understand that freedom entails responsibility, and that if you don’t want to be controlled by the police then you need to have self-control. You have to take responsibility for basic respect of your neighbors. You have to recognize that a free society is built on marriage, family, and neighbors.

We saw that when the libertarians refused to understand Rick Santorum, who ran ahead of Gingrich almost the entire time, and second to Romney because of the divided vote among Romney’s more conservative opponents.

Rick Santorum did NOT say that he would MAKE people behave like good Christians. He said that he would set the example and ENCOURAGE people to behave like good Christians—or Jews, or agnostics with principles. But the press pretended that he wanted to be a moral dictator, and too many people believed him.

So, once again the libertarians and conservatives were split by the opposition and the GOPe, and we got Romney as our reward.

The solution for drugs is neither our current one—a government that goes after the little guys and takes a rakeoff from the cartels—nor one in which everyone from the age of six on up takes pot and bathsalts and does whatever he likes. What we need is honest law enforcement, as far as that can be achieved in an imperfect world.


30 posted on 10/16/2012 11:22:38 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Real libertarians have to understand that freedom entails responsibility, and that if you don’t want to be controlled by the police then you need to have self-control. You have to take responsibility for basic respect of your neighbors. You have to recognize that a free society is built on marriage, family, and neighbors.

How are libertarians opposed to marriage, family, and neighbors?

The solution for drugs is neither our current one—a government that goes after the little guys and takes a rakeoff from the cartels—

The history of the War On Drugs is generously peppered with arrests of major drug lords ... not one of which made the slightest difference in the drug market.

nor one in which everyone from the age of six on up takes pot

I don't know anyone who supports that, nor is it in any of the ballot initiatives under discussion.

and bathsalts

Bath salts and other designer drugs are a product of the War On Drugs - they are made that much more desirable by the fact that they are legal (and however many chemicals you ban, someone can cook up something mind-altering that's not on the banned list) while their better understood and relatively safer competitors are illegal.

and does whatever he likes. What we need is honest law enforcement, as far as that can be achieved in an imperfect world.

That's no answer at all. In this imperfect world, law enforcement is subject to temptation - and the War On Drugs, by hyperinflating drug profits and channeling them into criminal hands, ensures that there is means, motive, and willingness to tempt them.

33 posted on 10/16/2012 11:39:20 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Cicero; RKBA Democrat
Why not honor the Tenth Amendment and let states regulate intrastate mj policies?
49 posted on 10/16/2012 2:13:48 PM PDT by Ken H
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