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Obama wins the second debate. Too bad itís not the one that mattered [disgusting Obama media bias!]
Yahoo News ^ | October 17, 2012 | Jeff Greenfield

Posted on 10/17/2012 1:04:21 AM PDT by ETL

When the evening began, one observation dominated the conversation: “If President Barack Obama has another debate like the last one, the election’s over.”

When the evening ended, I was struck by a different thought: If Obama had performed this way at the first debate, the election would have been over.

In every debate, whatever the format, whatever the questions, there is one and only one way to identify the winner: Who commands the room? Who drives the narrative? Who is in charge? More often than not on Tuesday night, I think, Obama had the better of it.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; bigbird; jeffgreenfield; pbs
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Jeff Greenfield is a Yahoo! News columnist and the host of “Need to Know” on PBS. A five-time Emmy winner, he has spent more than 30 years on network television, including time as the senior political correspondent for CBS News, the senior analyst for CNN, and the political and media analyst for ABC News. His most recent book is "Then Everything Changed: Stunning Alternate Histories of American Politics."

1 posted on 10/17/2012 1:04:27 AM PDT by ETL
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To: ETL

Get a room!


2 posted on 10/17/2012 1:07:04 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: ETL

how does anyone figure obama won ..he couldnt even win with the moderator debating for him.


3 posted on 10/17/2012 1:07:11 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: ETL

Barf!

The extra ten minutes Obama got in the first hour where he lied non stop mattered. Overall it was a draw.


4 posted on 10/17/2012 1:07:21 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: ETL

BS ...Obama did not win this debate , he lied his way thru it and as the Fact Check’s kick in it will look worse and worse for him . People are tired of his BS and they just don’t buy the snake oil anymore . BIG difference between what he says and what he does , or doesn’t do .


5 posted on 10/17/2012 1:07:43 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: ETL

From the same article:

“In a larger sense, however, Obama’s success is unlikely to have anything like the impact of that 1980 debate, nor will it likely alter the terrain of the campaign as the first debate of 2012 did. Had the Obama of this debate showed up two weeks ago, he might well have ended Romney’s effort to present himself as a credible alternative to the president.

That opportunity vanished that night. While it’s clear that Obama’s performance will revive the enthusiasm of his supporters, it seems unlikely that it will cause those impressed by Romney to reconsider. Like they say in show business, timing is everything.”

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-wins-the-second-debate—too-bad-it%E2%80%99s-not-the-one-that-mattered-1568495.html


6 posted on 10/17/2012 1:08:24 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Apparently Greenfield hasn't heard about the results of tonight's Frank Luntz focal group.

Frank Luntz focus group of mostly of former Obama voters say they now support Mitt Romney

Video Pt. 1 Here

Video Pt. 2 Here

"A Frank Luntz focus group made up mostly of former Obama voters say they now support Mitt Romney."

"Forceful, compassionate, presidential," one participant said.
"Confident and realistic," said another.
"Presidential," another told Luntz.
"Enthusiastic," another reacted.
"Our next president," one man said.
"Dynamo, winner," said one more.

"He's lied about everything. He lied to get elected in 2008, that's why I voted for him.
I bought his bull. And he's lied about everything, he hasn't come through on anything.
And he's been bullsh***ing the public," one member of the focus group said."


7 posted on 10/17/2012 1:11:31 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few, and let another take his office.")
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I don’t agree.

It won’t change the momentum of the race that favors Romney.

And few are interested in foreign policy, the last debate to be held next week. It comes up against Monday Night football.

Obama needed a Hail Mary play and at best he drew even.

That’s a loss in his book. When you’re losing, you’ll clutch at anything in desperation.

It looked that way four years ago when Obama beat McCain in their debates and Republican partisans made excuses for their candidate.

Now the Obamaniks are rehearsing them for theirs. You know what its like to be at a political funeral. Its not a pretty sight.

Jeff, nice try there but no cigar for your spin. Its already yesterday’s news.


8 posted on 10/17/2012 1:13:23 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Iron Munro

Thanks! Will check it out.


9 posted on 10/17/2012 1:13:54 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: goldstategop
It won’t change the momentum of the race that favors Romney. And few are interested in foreign policy, the last debate to be held next week.

I sincerely hope many more than you think are interested in it. Because Romney should mop the floor with "flexibility" Obama on foreign policy, that treasonous, America-hating, Israel-hating, islamo-fascist-supporting, Russia-appeasing, commie SOB.

10 posted on 10/17/2012 1:21:47 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Oh well, someone has to try this...

No... Obama did not win. At very best it was a tie, but everything I have read so far indicates that Romney came out slightly ahead and the moderator is becoming the story due to her blatant favoritism.

Focus groups were aware that she was intending to act outside her assigned role, so they noticed when she did. She damaged her credibility and the credibility of the debate forum, but it’s unlikely to do her or Obama much good in the long term.

Obama needed a knockout. He didn’t get it.

Advantage Romney.


11 posted on 10/17/2012 1:25:14 AM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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Shove it, Greenfield. Your god did not win.


12 posted on 10/17/2012 1:32:55 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: ETL
Just watched the debate after reading the opinions of so many who thought it was a draw.

Romney won HANDILY. He was smooth, articulate, knowledgable, agile, and contradicted a good many lies with ability and conviction.

Obama was blustering, lying and verbose. He worked up a forceful outrage over Libya at one point and may have dominated except for Romney's refusal to be cowed; Romney came back and very effectively challenged what he said.

Clear winner was very definitely Romney despite the chatter saying otherwise.

13 posted on 10/17/2012 1:37:01 AM PDT by what's up
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To: ETL

Jeff Greenfield? He probably wrote the headline before the debate even started.


14 posted on 10/17/2012 1:39:09 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: Iron Munro
Obama’s problem in these debates are two fold. First, people know that the country is worse off by every measure than when he came to office. Second, Obama has spent hundreds of millions of dollars in the swing states on negative ads vilainizing Romney and when the people actually see him in person they realize that he seems both more knowledgeable and more presidential than Obama. This creates a visceral reaction against Obama that he really cannot overcome regardless of how he performs.
15 posted on 10/17/2012 1:43:56 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: expat1000
Jeff Greenfield? He probably wrote the headline before the debate even started.

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16 posted on 10/17/2012 1:46:51 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

cute!


17 posted on 10/17/2012 1:47:44 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: Ronin

‘Xactly!


18 posted on 10/17/2012 1:48:49 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: expat1000

I made that up yesterday, prior to the debate.


19 posted on 10/17/2012 1:49:31 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
[If Obama had performed this way at the first debate, the election would have been over.]

No, it would have been a draw, you bed-wetting dweeb. Obama might have won on rhetoric but he would have lost on facts. In part, Romney won last week because many voters finally saw him without the filter of a corrupt news media. They saw the same Romney tonight.

20 posted on 10/17/2012 2:04:41 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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