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Obama wins the second debate. Too bad itís not the one that mattered [disgusting Obama media bias!]
Yahoo News ^ | October 17, 2012 | Jeff Greenfield

Posted on 10/17/2012 1:04:21 AM PDT by ETL

When the evening began, one observation dominated the conversation: “If President Barack Obama has another debate like the last one, the election’s over.”

When the evening ended, I was struck by a different thought: If Obama had performed this way at the first debate, the election would have been over.

In every debate, whatever the format, whatever the questions, there is one and only one way to identify the winner: Who commands the room? Who drives the narrative? Who is in charge? More often than not on Tuesday night, I think, Obama had the better of it.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; bigbird; jeffgreenfield; pbs

Jeff Greenfield is a Yahoo! News columnist and the host of “Need to Know” on PBS. A five-time Emmy winner, he has spent more than 30 years on network television, including time as the senior political correspondent for CBS News, the senior analyst for CNN, and the political and media analyst for ABC News. His most recent book is "Then Everything Changed: Stunning Alternate Histories of American Politics."

1 posted on 10/17/2012 1:04:27 AM PDT by ETL
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To: ETL

Get a room!


2 posted on 10/17/2012 1:07:04 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: ETL

how does anyone figure obama won ..he couldnt even win with the moderator debating for him.


3 posted on 10/17/2012 1:07:11 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: ETL

Barf!

The extra ten minutes Obama got in the first hour where he lied non stop mattered. Overall it was a draw.


4 posted on 10/17/2012 1:07:21 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: ETL

BS ...Obama did not win this debate , he lied his way thru it and as the Fact Check’s kick in it will look worse and worse for him . People are tired of his BS and they just don’t buy the snake oil anymore . BIG difference between what he says and what he does , or doesn’t do .


5 posted on 10/17/2012 1:07:43 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: ETL

From the same article:

“In a larger sense, however, Obama’s success is unlikely to have anything like the impact of that 1980 debate, nor will it likely alter the terrain of the campaign as the first debate of 2012 did. Had the Obama of this debate showed up two weeks ago, he might well have ended Romney’s effort to present himself as a credible alternative to the president.

That opportunity vanished that night. While it’s clear that Obama’s performance will revive the enthusiasm of his supporters, it seems unlikely that it will cause those impressed by Romney to reconsider. Like they say in show business, timing is everything.”

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-wins-the-second-debate—too-bad-it%E2%80%99s-not-the-one-that-mattered-1568495.html


6 posted on 10/17/2012 1:08:24 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Apparently Greenfield hasn't heard about the results of tonight's Frank Luntz focal group.

Frank Luntz focus group of mostly of former Obama voters say they now support Mitt Romney

Video Pt. 1 Here

Video Pt. 2 Here

"A Frank Luntz focus group made up mostly of former Obama voters say they now support Mitt Romney."

"Forceful, compassionate, presidential," one participant said.
"Confident and realistic," said another.
"Presidential," another told Luntz.
"Enthusiastic," another reacted.
"Our next president," one man said.
"Dynamo, winner," said one more.

"He's lied about everything. He lied to get elected in 2008, that's why I voted for him.
I bought his bull. And he's lied about everything, he hasn't come through on anything.
And he's been bullsh***ing the public," one member of the focus group said."


7 posted on 10/17/2012 1:11:31 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few, and let another take his office.")
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To: ETL

I don’t agree.

It won’t change the momentum of the race that favors Romney.

And few are interested in foreign policy, the last debate to be held next week. It comes up against Monday Night football.

Obama needed a Hail Mary play and at best he drew even.

That’s a loss in his book. When you’re losing, you’ll clutch at anything in desperation.

It looked that way four years ago when Obama beat McCain in their debates and Republican partisans made excuses for their candidate.

Now the Obamaniks are rehearsing them for theirs. You know what its like to be at a political funeral. Its not a pretty sight.

Jeff, nice try there but no cigar for your spin. Its already yesterday’s news.


8 posted on 10/17/2012 1:13:23 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Iron Munro

Thanks! Will check it out.


9 posted on 10/17/2012 1:13:54 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: goldstategop
It won’t change the momentum of the race that favors Romney. And few are interested in foreign policy, the last debate to be held next week.

I sincerely hope many more than you think are interested in it. Because Romney should mop the floor with "flexibility" Obama on foreign policy, that treasonous, America-hating, Israel-hating, islamo-fascist-supporting, Russia-appeasing, commie SOB.

10 posted on 10/17/2012 1:21:47 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Oh well, someone has to try this...

No... Obama did not win. At very best it was a tie, but everything I have read so far indicates that Romney came out slightly ahead and the moderator is becoming the story due to her blatant favoritism.

Focus groups were aware that she was intending to act outside her assigned role, so they noticed when she did. She damaged her credibility and the credibility of the debate forum, but it’s unlikely to do her or Obama much good in the long term.

Obama needed a knockout. He didn’t get it.

Advantage Romney.


11 posted on 10/17/2012 1:25:14 AM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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Shove it, Greenfield. Your god did not win.


12 posted on 10/17/2012 1:32:55 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: ETL
Just watched the debate after reading the opinions of so many who thought it was a draw.

Romney won HANDILY. He was smooth, articulate, knowledgable, agile, and contradicted a good many lies with ability and conviction.

Obama was blustering, lying and verbose. He worked up a forceful outrage over Libya at one point and may have dominated except for Romney's refusal to be cowed; Romney came back and very effectively challenged what he said.

Clear winner was very definitely Romney despite the chatter saying otherwise.

13 posted on 10/17/2012 1:37:01 AM PDT by what's up
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To: ETL

Jeff Greenfield? He probably wrote the headline before the debate even started.


14 posted on 10/17/2012 1:39:09 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: Iron Munro
Obama’s problem in these debates are two fold. First, people know that the country is worse off by every measure than when he came to office. Second, Obama has spent hundreds of millions of dollars in the swing states on negative ads vilainizing Romney and when the people actually see him in person they realize that he seems both more knowledgeable and more presidential than Obama. This creates a visceral reaction against Obama that he really cannot overcome regardless of how he performs.
15 posted on 10/17/2012 1:43:56 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: expat1000
Jeff Greenfield? He probably wrote the headline before the debate even started.

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16 posted on 10/17/2012 1:46:51 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

cute!


17 posted on 10/17/2012 1:47:44 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: Ronin

‘Xactly!


18 posted on 10/17/2012 1:48:49 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: expat1000

I made that up yesterday, prior to the debate.


19 posted on 10/17/2012 1:49:31 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
[If Obama had performed this way at the first debate, the election would have been over.]

No, it would have been a draw, you bed-wetting dweeb. Obama might have won on rhetoric but he would have lost on facts. In part, Romney won last week because many voters finally saw him without the filter of a corrupt news media. They saw the same Romney tonight.

20 posted on 10/17/2012 2:04:41 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: ETL

He is so full of it.


21 posted on 10/17/2012 2:35:57 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: TigerClaws

It wasn’t a draw..obama got his brains beaten out, again...


22 posted on 10/17/2012 2:37:52 AM PDT by richardtavor
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To: ETL

Same idiot who was praising Biden last week. How’d that turn out for them.


23 posted on 10/17/2012 2:39:23 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: ETL
If Obama had performed this way at the first debate, the election would have been over.

Hahahaa... The Won is winning a permanent trip out of the White House on January 20th.

24 posted on 10/17/2012 2:42:24 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: ETL
Any participant who proclaims low gas prices are a result of an economy on the verge of collapse can't be the winner of a debate. Same goes for answering a question about assault weapons with a speech on education reform.
25 posted on 10/17/2012 2:47:26 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: ETL
I can't watch the debates.
I can't take the community organizer and his outright lies that are never questioned by the so called moderator.
I always mute the TV anytime he comes on.
FOX & DRUDGE will fact check the lies, but the only ones who will see it is US.
26 posted on 10/17/2012 3:07:49 AM PDT by DeaconRed (ZERO & JOE think our countries situation is funny. It is NOT Funny. . . .)
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To: freekitty

Too bad we can’t impeach the media. I must have watched a different debate. I heard Obama’s lips flapping with canned responses but his body language looked rehearsed and insincere as though he didn’t really believe what he was saying. Romney looked and acted more presidential to me and made some very good points. I sincerely hopes he has some surprises in store for the upcoming debate and comes out guns blazing but in a respectful way unlike his opponent who seems to sneer and look down on the American people.


27 posted on 10/17/2012 3:08:56 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Tweeted your post to Mr. Greenfield. Thanks for it.


28 posted on 10/17/2012 3:16:51 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: ETL

No question about it. Obama lost - again.


29 posted on 10/17/2012 3:18:29 AM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: ETL

Ha, ha what revealing quotes. “On many questions I think Obama had the better of it” says the thoroughly unbiased Greenfield. I guess he means if you’re allowed to get away with lying your way through the entire debate. I see it as Romney on points even if he did blow the Benghazi segment. Romney simply gave a more specific, energetic vision of the economy under his admin and a better American future. The lib pundits (and a few conservatives) gave it to Obama, but in MY!!! thoroughly unbiased review, I’m giving it to Romney for at least not lying.


30 posted on 10/17/2012 3:29:10 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: goldstategop

My personal theory is that many ‘08 BO voters, unable to admit they had been wrong, were looking for a excuse to not vote for him last debate and got it. Obama got his share of zingers in, but I wonder if undecideds are impressed by snarkiness at this point. We’ll see with this one. Whoever wrote that Crowley may have inadvertently helped Mitt on the Benghazi snafu may be right. I doubt noone came away from that moment thinking what great leader BO is, and more importantly the focus is now on her weird fact-check moment that was wrong.


31 posted on 10/17/2012 3:34:29 AM PDT by madameguinot (Our Father's God to Thee, Author of Liberty)
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To: madameguinot

self correction:

...got his zingers in TONIGHT


32 posted on 10/17/2012 3:36:50 AM PDT by madameguinot (Our Father's God to Thee, Author of Liberty)
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To: ETL

I’m not impressed with either of them....but will hold my nose ONCE again to be rid of the marxist.


33 posted on 10/17/2012 3:42:45 AM PDT by GailA (IF U will not keep your promises to the Military, U won't keep them to the public)
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To: ETL

Romney won. On the issues that mattered (economy, taxes, deficits) it wasn’t close. Most people certainly perceived that through the Crowley and MSM spin haze.


34 posted on 10/17/2012 4:21:30 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: ETL

How many times did Obama say the words “education, college and schools?”

What the heck? Are we going to have the best educated idiots in the world, a world where everyone starts in the middle and none on the bottom?

I went crazy watching his only answer to any question was “EDUCATION.”

We need to go back to my time in life (50’s & 60’s) where children worked after school and learned the work ethic and self-discipline required to become anything they wanted to...without government help.

Now, we just churn out college graduates with many degrees that mean nothing and are in fields that produce no tangible product or needed service for the American consumers. It’s that piece of paper that counts so that they can join the “college club” and have their entry into the workforce “greased” for them while many, many hard working, more reliable and skilled workers are turned away simply because they didn’t join the club.

The best University is “the school of hard knocks” and from it, some of the most successful people in the world have graduated.

If Obama had his way it would take a PHD to be able to even apply for a job flipping patties at Burger King.


35 posted on 10/17/2012 4:38:33 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: ETL

obama lost... no spin can change that and when the facts are checked today... he will have lost the election. **** the presss... liars from hell all.

LLS


36 posted on 10/17/2012 4:41:23 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (OUR GOVERNMENT AND PRESS ARE NO LONGER TRUSTWORTHY OR DESERVING OF RESPECT!)
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To: madameguinot
I wonder if undecideds are impressed by snarkiness at this point. We’ll see with this one.

Anybody who is undecided at this point is too stupid to be allowed to vote. Come to think of it, anybody who has decided that they are going to vote for Obama at this point is also too stupid to be allowed to vote.

37 posted on 10/17/2012 4:46:03 AM PDT by KevinB (We'll stop treating Obama like a dog when he stops treating us like a fire hydrant - Fred Grandy)
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To: ETL

I don’t think he won. He is one nasty piece of work and that came through to the point where he will probably take hits on his so-called likeability. Those evil eyes and dirty looks were a real turn off. Romney showed no fear and bloodied him up with his Vegas comments. Obama’s inner street thug was on full display. He looked totally unpresidential..


38 posted on 10/17/2012 4:48:21 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: ETL

Romney won last night. He was presidential even when he was confronting Obama. He won on the economy and on Benghazi.


39 posted on 10/17/2012 4:56:09 AM PDT by NJBushcountry
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To: what's up

I think the debate had an ebb and flow to it. It was even in the beginning, His Excellency, with help from the moderator who would not let Romney counter his rebuttal lies, got a leg up in the middle and Romney won the end, especially his point by point indictment of His Excellency’s performance. Little Barry looked depressed listening to Romney school him on promises not kept, failure upon failure government. So, on balance it was a draw on TV.

So, His Excellency did not do what he had to do to turn the Romney tide. His performance may slow it, but unless Romney shows up naked on monday, he cannot lose.


40 posted on 10/17/2012 4:57:01 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: ETL

I didn’t watch the 1st debate so all I could do was go by what everyone else said. Having said that, I am at a loss to see how anyone can think Obama one last night! When Romney told him that “was a statement not a question” aka sit down while the grown up speaks, Obama went and sat down, just like a child who had been scolded.
Also the way he kept watching the clock and as soon as Romney would say something he didn’t like Obama would start hollering, “Uh, Candy, Candy that’s not the rules,” etc., it made him look very childish esp. knowing that he was getting more time. All I heard was, “Mommy, uh mommy he’s being mean to me.” What a joke.
And boy was Candy ever ready to shut Romney down on fast and furious! Saying he was off topic. Pff! He was EXACTLY on target! And who can forget Candy debating Romney for Obama concering the statement in the rose garden. When he said act of terror he was finishing up talking about 09/11/01 not 09/11 of this year. To me all that did was make him look more inept because he needed the moderator to step up and debate for him. You know, to be his fat, stupid, liberal human teleprompter.


41 posted on 10/17/2012 4:57:32 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: ETL

Obama did great, and I want to vote for him. I heard last night in the debate that he is a strong believer in coal, is drilling oil on Federal lands like never before, respects the 2nd amendment and has as one of his highest goals responsibly reducing the defecit. What a guy!


42 posted on 10/17/2012 5:13:34 AM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: ETL

-—— Who commands the room? Who drives the narrative? Who is in charge? -——

There is no question that the change in the Obama demeanor was dramatic when compared to the earlier debate. As to prevailing on the above, he merely held his own.

Obama’s problem is that in spite of making demeanor change and making points, his rambling was infused with lies that people know are lies. Lies subtract more per incident than the points per incident add.


43 posted on 10/17/2012 5:19:57 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: ETL

Isn’t yahoo still run by that former girl from Google who is a big campaign bundler for Obamugabe?


44 posted on 10/17/2012 5:43:37 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: ETL

I just came back last week from a couple weeks in London—so I’ve been lucky enough not to be buried in election talk. I’ve been spending time since in 2 “battleground” states for the past 8 days: PA and northeastern Ohio.

I’ll tell you, based on talking to people, yard signs, overheard conversations etc, local talk radio, all unscientific, I know, but I’ve been around—and things are very different this year. I think Romney’s going to steamroller BO flat—I’m not kidding. I see Romney signs, bumper stickers, etc where I never thought I’d see them—much more than for McCain—also the amazing lack of BO signs—many houses have 6-7 Dem signs—local, state, congresscretins, etc but no BO.

The 2 most prevalent signs are For Sale home signs and For Lease signs where someone’s business went belly up—people in Ohio are hurting worse than ever.

I think ( and pray) that the BO and Joe Klown Show is almost over.


45 posted on 10/17/2012 5:45:13 AM PDT by mortdecai
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To: ETL
When the evening ended, I was struck by a different thought: If Obama had performed this way at the first debate, the election would have been over.

Sorry, this is a "non sequitur" (it does not follow) fallacy and the younger Jeff Greenfield (when he was intelligent) would not have made it.

What we forget at this 2 week remove from the 1st Presidential Debate is that it was as much Romney dispelling the stereotype hammered by the 4 months of Obama attacks as it was Obama's lackluster performance. The media meme going in was that Obama had already won and he could just smile and there would be a halo over his head. Instead an engaged and obviously capable Romney showed that he did not eat babies nor did he have a pitchfork & tail.

Obama could have been just like he was last night and still fallen short as his opponent, unlike the McCain punching bag of 2008, demonstrated that all of the negative ads were false and misleading. Yes the combination of the two extremes that did show in that debate were striking but to take only Obama's failure is to ignore Romney's real accomplishment.

Personally, I think this is the establishment left's start of a new explanation on how the 2012 election is/was lost. It was Obama's failure, not Romney's success. While there is real truth to this, the focus on just the debate failure loses sight of the 4 year failure as well as the extreme campaign advertising failures from May to September that painted Romney as Gordon Gekko.

46 posted on 10/17/2012 5:54:16 AM PDT by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence!)
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To: All

the producers at FNF must be homosexuals. They have a log cabin homosexual pushing the homos is just people because marriage was not discussed.

The MSM is too stupid to reaize Romney said Moms and Dads, not generic “parents” (yes he did say parents but he prefaced it)

It is a tip to marriage and children need a mother and father and that is what marriage is made of.


47 posted on 10/17/2012 6:01:43 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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