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Since this poll is from Zogby, I understand why it is soo wrong. What I can't understand is why RCP is including it in their average - they haven't used a Zogby poll all year that I can see. And why use this instead of the ARG poll showing Romney up 2? Are they just trying to keep the race close?
1 posted on 10/22/2012 11:58:41 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: CA Conservative

Something weird is seriously going on at RCP. They use ARG polls all the time and NEVER use Zogby. There is obviously an effort to keep this race close.


2 posted on 10/22/2012 12:02:17 PM PDT by tatown (Obama was right, it was a 'one term proposition')
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Zogby? Now that’s a blast from the past. I think this is the first time this election cycle that I even heard his name mentioned.


3 posted on 10/22/2012 12:02:38 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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It all boils down to the repub/dem sampling. Without that this poll means nothing.


4 posted on 10/22/2012 12:04:13 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: CA Conservative

Zogby is an unapologetic anti-Semite and America-hater. At least he’s come-lately honest about it. His politics were first revealed in 2000; since then he has not tried to hide them. Look at 2008 and 2010; his “polling” was off about D+7 from the actual results.


5 posted on 10/22/2012 12:06:11 PM PDT by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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Let them track this as it pertains to Bam:

Justice with Judge Jeanine opening comments about Benghazi attack (last night’s show on FNC):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lleTlFdJJ38

CIA Operatives speak about Libya Massacre

http://www.therightscoop.com/former-cia-officials-say-no-way-wh-didnt-know-benghazi-was-a-terrorist-attack-even-during-the-attack/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX1uukcLdd8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNCkhYSMko8


6 posted on 10/22/2012 12:06:20 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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Is there some reason why everyone wants to post every single new poll as “Breaking News”? Particularly for a Zogby poll?

I’ve posted many routine polls and then someone comes in after the fact and puts in the “breaking” tag on it.


10 posted on 10/22/2012 12:09:38 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: CA Conservative

RCP seems to be laying on its own special sauce for this election .


14 posted on 10/22/2012 12:12:13 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: CA Conservative

Zogby - crack for the weak


15 posted on 10/22/2012 12:12:38 PM PDT by Skulllspitter
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Are they just trying to keep the race close?

Yes.

Zogby. Really?

For (unfortunately not) the last time: averaging polls together as RCP does, DOES NOT make them more accurate. It is simply a form of hedging. It guarantees that their result is less likely to be wildly wrong. But it also means that they are less likely to be correct.

Why? Because the polls employ different sampling methodologies and different models. It is a mathematically rigorous fact that one pollster is going to be closer to the final result than all of the others, it is also logically inescapable that one pollster is going to be farther away. Averaging those two polls together cannot POSSIBLY make the outcome closer to the correct one.

What makes things worse is that RCP (as far as I can tell) has no consistent rationale for which polls to include and which polls to exclude; so they can't even claim to be using reliability as a criterion for inclusion. Including John Zogby is a near certainty that they're averaging in one of the worst track records in polling. [It's even possible that they will exclude the best predictor.] All this horse race stuff is like the run up to the Superbowl, where we hear endless proganostications and pointless speculations from idiots, most of whom are wrong. We are going to play the game soon, and I have a safe prediction: after the last vote is counted, John Zogby is going to have an even poorer reputation than he has right now.

20 posted on 10/22/2012 12:22:01 PM PDT by FredZarguna (A bump in the road. Not optimal.)
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Romney is winning 5 national polls: Gallup, Rasmussen, ARG, Monmouth, and Politico/GW.

It’s tied in two others: Reuters (D+6) and NBC/WSJ (D+6)

While Obama is hanging his hat on three misfit polls: WT/Zogby (Special Sauce) and IBD/TIPP (D+7), and Hartford Courant (D+9).


21 posted on 10/22/2012 12:23:21 PM PDT by nhwingut (Single Issue Voter: Obama Must Go!)
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Wha...huh?
Obama has edge; enthusiasm favors Romney before final debate

So, how does Obama have an edge, when enthusiasm favors Romney? That headline contradicts itself IMO....doesn’t make sense to me.


22 posted on 10/22/2012 12:24:29 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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optics...Barbara Streisand..

23 posted on 10/22/2012 12:24:49 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie. Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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optics...Barbara Streisand..

24 posted on 10/22/2012 12:24:53 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie. Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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The campaign that does the best at engaging their partisans wins.
27 posted on 10/22/2012 12:28:10 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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Things currently are looking very GOOD...

By the way, since 1936 there have been, I believe 19 Presidential elections. Gallup has ACCURATELY polled 16 of them.

Check this fact:
No one in the history of the Gallup Poll has ever lost the election for president if they’re above 50% after mid-October.
 
Gallup 10/22: R-52/O-45
Gallup  | 10/22 | Gallup

Romney-52% Obama-45%

http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx


29 posted on 10/22/2012 12:30:23 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: CA Conservative

Zogby has always sucked.

His accuracy was 18th out of twenty in 2008 and 10th out of 16 in 2004.


32 posted on 10/22/2012 12:35:39 PM PDT by traderrob6
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Why can’t the WashTimes affiliate with a reputable pollster? Why does the WSJ lower themselves to cohabitate with NBC? I don’t get it.


33 posted on 10/22/2012 12:36:00 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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The spin on this is by the same folks who told us that the Tea Party was merely astroturf... Even after we wiped them out in the 2010 elections.


44 posted on 10/22/2012 2:15:33 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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Obama is losing and they know it.


45 posted on 10/22/2012 3:05:41 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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