[Smokin' Joe]

It takes some serious scratch to keep submarines and aircraft carriers operating, and anyone who has been paying a little bit of attention can figure out we aren't going to do that with loans from Europe or China...

Hope is not an action plan, and those who used to have jobs have had enough 'change'.

[lentulusgracchus]

Joe, I think that's one of the best posts on the board, for succinctly stating The Problem.