Skip to comments.September 14, CIA Chief Petraeus Tells Congress Benghazi Attack Started As Movie Protest
Posted on 10/26/2012 8:19:12 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
The attack that killed four Americans in the Libyan consulate began as a spontaneous protest against the film The Innocence of Muslims, but Islamic militants who may have links to Al Qaeda used the opportunity to launch an attack, CIA Director David Petreaus told the House Intelligence Committee today according to one lawmaker who attended a closed-door briefing.
Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, the top Democrat on the House Intel committee, said Petraeus laid out a chronological order exactly what we felt happened, how it happened, and where were going in the future.
In the Benghazi area, in the beginning we feel that it was spontaneous the protest- because it went on for two or three hours, which is very relevant because if it was something that was planned, then they could have come and attacked right away, Ruppersberger, D-Md., said following the hour-long briefing by Petraeus. At this point it looks as if there was a spontaneous situation that occurred and that as a result of that, the extreme groups that were probably connected to al Qaeda took advantage of that situation and then the attack started.
Are you allowed to criticize him around here yet? He’s always struck me as a “yes man”.
Are you allowed to criticize him around here yet? He’s always struck me as a “yes man”.
“If Petraeus is an honorable man”
That’s a big “IF” as I see it! You just have to wonder if there are any honorable men left in the flag ranks of our military. If Petraeus was a decent human being, he would never have agreed to work for FUBO in the first place.
petraeus is NOT an honorable man...and hasn’t been for many years.
Are you allowed to criticize him around here yet?
Well I’ve been doing it for two weeks or more. I have a few bruises but I’m still standing.
Instead they had our special forces in Italy which were less than 2hrs away sit on their bayonet's and do nothing.
They should all resign.
“You certainly won’t need to flush twice to get YOUR political career all way down the drain now will ‘ya Davey?”
Thought we had an opportunity with this General, but then, most Generals are just politicians afterall.
Patraeus stands with the most accomlished murderer in American history. Where does one think that leaves him?
The video idea came from state.
Check their press releases.
The reports from the street in Egypt (supposed spillover) origin, never made any mention of a video, until the US STATE DEPT made their press release.
He enthusiastically supports rules that deny first class fire support in afghanistan. This isn’t the first time he has left some poor SOBs behind a machine gun to slug it out when arty or air is available.
I’ve never understood the cult that likes him. And now he is lying to us. He knows the whole story of who denied what, when, why, and probably their exact words. Yet, he continues this kibuki dance of “CIA didn’t deny” without telling the real story. If Obama refused it, be a man and say so. Accept the end of your career or any criminal charges. It’s less of a price than those SEALS paid.
The coward needs to tell the straight up truth. He swore an oath to the constitution, not to the Fuhrer. A half truth like he gives us is nothing but a FULL lie. He may not have given the order, but he pushed the Obama video lie.
If the video cover story would have worked, he wouldn;t be saying a word right now. Lying SOB.
Me too and became a sympathizer, prolly reads his Koran every night before bed,
I have to agree. He seemed way to pliable n troop numbers
Agreed.... lack of integrity + head of CIA = not a good combo. He should resign.
The report is that the Seals were order to stand down three times then final wen on their own against orders
I get the impress that Biden " got balls" comment was not some crude praise..
But that " got balls" was that the WH & Biden was pissed off at the Seals for not follow WH orders to stand back and watch Americas die
The person you may not criticize or countermand is 0bama. Had Petraeus gone off the reservation then, he would have been relieved of command....and who knows how many CIA assets and agents would have been blown by now?
Yes, he did this.
What happens if Petraeus is silenced? Relieved of duty? At this level of government? While at ‘war’ with State? Panetta? 0bama?
Either way Biden has no business in the VP job.
Silenced from doing what? Telling lies? Like the Benghazi attack was caused by a video? Or implying he doesn't know who ordered CIA agents to stand down when fellow Americans were under attack?
In 11 days, I suspect the folks on the “reservation” will see the wagons forming a circle.
The opportunity to burn your ship and stand your ground is slipping away very fast.
Obama and his minions like Jarrett are indeed the problem. But until someone of stature is willing to stand up and tell the utter unvarnished truth without regard to his own well being, it will never stop.
Undoubtedly someone KNOWS and can prove why Obama is hiding his BC, passport and school records.
Someone KNOWS and can prove that Fast and Furious was designed to allow him to attack the 2nd amendment with the UN small arms treaty and a new assault rifle ban.
Like the Dreyfuss affair in France, until the “I Accuse” editorial in the paper laid out the cold hard facts, it remained buried.
Too many powerful people in this country (many allegedly on our side) are WORSE than Obama. They could utterly expose and destroy him. But they care more about their career than our nation. Some PFC who dies an unknown death is more of a man than Petreaus, McChrystol, etc.
Time for our “leaders” to stand up and be counted. Lives?
Fortunes? Sacred Honor?
He and those who protect Obama arent worthy to walk the streets our founders did.
1.They were ordered to stand down, they didn't.
2. Biden makes that crude remark at the memorial service.
THEN how is it that Joe Biden knew that Tyrone Woods did such a brave "ballsy" thing, and defy direct orders to stand down?
They knew, because they saw it all happen that very night.
Silenced as in ordered to do thus and so by POTUS himself. Director of the CIA is a political appointment.
Disobey the illegal order that is a political coverup. Go to the steps of the capitol and lay out the whole, unvarnished, treasonous story.
Be sure to include that HE lied when he testified that the video caused this. Say who told him that was the official lie they were going with and who ordered him to advance it.
Bring proof that you as CIA director have.
Trust the nation to protect you, and to reward your honesty.
Interesting that you mention Dreyfus’ “J’Accuse.” It has been on my mind for weeks.
Here we are, you and me, typing on a board someplace in cyberspace, and maybe a couple of people read this. We don’t have bodyguards or food tasters. We don’t ride heavy or live in absolute security.
People in the present government can simply kill us at will...a crash, a mugger, a heart attack. So sad. A pity, really.
Only as I get older do I understand well that my parents’ generation really did understand that America could cease to exist and might need everyone’s lives. Here, we’ve lived in safety, and now, we have jackals at the top, human vipers with white teeth that hide their evil intent...which looks to charge us every drop of blood we have, and more.
Sometimes, I think I would not miss DC or the East/West Coasts much.
“The coward needs to tell the straight up truth.”
Well said, sir! They are all cowards, quislings and poltroons of the basest stripe. Dempsey, Ham, Pannetta, Clinton, Biden, and Obama - all of them
I vote NO CONFIDENCE in the lot. A pox on all their houses. They are all without honor.
I have NEVER been so ashamed of the military leadership (at least since the DADT repeal...), or of the so-called leadership of this great country.
If you are ordered to go before Congress and lie, then you have both a Constitutional and moral duty to resign rather than commit a crime like that.
In the Benghazi area, in the beginning we feel that it was spontaneous..., Ruppersberger, D-Md., said following the hour-long briefing by Petraeus.
It's a second hand account by a leftist rat of what Petraeus said.
So, the guy on the phone who was at the consulate telling you they were being attacked by a large force of well-armed attackers couldn't convince you otherwise? You think they triggered a Critical Incident Report for a spontaneous protest?
It’s obvious now that Patraeus knew he was telling a whopper that day. How often do these people lie to us? All we know is that they got caught this time....
This article doesn’t quote what Petraeus actually said, but rather it quotes a Democrat Congressman’s claim of what Petraeus said in a closed door briefing. It is possible this Dem was just lying to keep the Obama story going. Not that I want to defend Petraeus, but I also am reticent to believe any Democrat trying to advance a lie. Time will tell...
So now he is really General Betrayus!
First, it is a first-hand account. Ruppersberger saw Petraeus say it - that makes him an eyewitness.
Second, I guess I missed the CIA press release where Petraeus denied that he blamed the attack on the video. Petraeus is quick to send out press releases when he is covering his fanny - like today. So where was the press release where he denied blaming the Benghazi attack on the video?
Someone on another thread said, “This is why our founders put in the Constitution the requirement for President that he be a natural born citizen.” Americans would be less likely to disregard fidelity to their fellow-American. Such loyality would not be transfered transnationally. I must wonder now.
It is up to us to determine why the Obama Administration has chosen to Cover Up what happened in Benghazi.
What are they trying in vain to hide?
The longer Secretary of Statements Hilly takes to get to the bottom of this, the more obvious it is that the Benghazi Cover Up was hastily designed to hide a VERY BIG US SECRET TOPIC.
My guess is that the CIA had discovered that some of the 20,000 Libyan Missiles were found in the possession of Ansar al-Sharia, or al-Qaeda who were then shipping the missing Missiles to Syria, and Obama knew all about it.
Can Hilly and Billy keep this a secret until after November 6, 2012?
Their lives just might depend on it - - - .
Meanwhile, Obama and Biden have lied to the American People, as well as their key officials have repeatedly lied to us.
The White House Benghazi Cover Up had closed ranks behind their boss, Obama.
Could Obama have survived the November Election with the embarrassment of a resurgent al-Qaeda in Libya?
Possibly, IF he would have told the truth at his first public announcement, and rallied Americans to not change horses in the middle of the stream, etc. etc., etc.
No way in Hell, now that Obama has lied about Benghazi.
First, it was foolish to think that the Benghazi attack was anything other than a pre-planned, well-organized attack. Those thinking otherwise let their limited perspective overwhelm their common sense.
Second, Petraeus’ doctrine of soft-warfare is a losing strategy that prolongs military conflicts and causes our troops to be in more peril than they ought to be in. All you have to do is look at the so-called “insider” attacks and the manifest failure of our Afghanistan occupation to see how that strategy is really stupid.
I hope that Petraeus is dismissed from his current position when Romney takes office and that his whole counter-insurgency doctrine is ripped to shreds after being critically re-examined from top to bottom.
[ If Petraeus is an honorable man, he will resign now. ]
He’s probably not honorable.. else why did Zero select him?..
He slimed his name once accepted a position from Zero..
He may even be stupid.. ignorant of what Zero “IS”..
MAybe willfully ignorant.. if so he was always corrupt..
Like Colin Bowell.. another high level military abortion..
Washington D.C. is absolutely full of corrupt malefactors..
MANY are republicans...
It’s even bigger, justice helped spring the man identified as the leader of this group that organized this attack. Here is the info on the people in justice I posted a month ago. This Terrorist was sent to a Libyan prison and someone helped him get released in the beginning of the uprising and who helped him overthrow the regime. They created and supplied this group with heavy weapons. Some of these weapons may have been used to conduct this attack. Just my educated guess.
Here are the players, it goes deeper then CIA,State and DOD. If you look at the released classified itinerary of Stevens he was meeting with the only shipping company that Controled all the Libyan ports.
Follow the trail from Holder and his staff to Gitmo terror subject who was sprung in 2007 by Jennifer Daskal who is currently working in Justice. Does she still have his phone number? What would be the blow back if a person trusted in Justice directly helped the killer of our ambassador?
DOJ Lawyers Who Represented Terrorism Suspects Detainees Are Identified
Wednesday, March 3rd, 2010
Fox News has identified the seven anonymous Justice Department lawyers who previously represented Guantánamo detainees or terrorism suspects.
Justice Department spokesman Matthew A. Miller confirmed the names to Fox News Mike Levine, but did not say whether any of the seven previously anonymous lawyers now work on issues related to Guantánamo detainees.
Each of the nine people referenced in the letter filed legal briefs that are available by using something as simple as Google, Miller told Fox News. We will not participate in an attempt to drag peoples names through the mud for political purposes.
Miller said politics has overtaken facts and reality in the battle over the lawyers identities. (Full statement below)
The current Justice Department employees who previously represented Guantánamo detainees or terrorism suspects are:
· Tony West, the Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Division.
· Jonathan Cedarbaum, of the Office of Legal Counsel.
· Eric Columbus, senior counsel in the Office of the Deputy Attorney General.
· Karl Thompson, of the Office of Legal Counsel.
· Joseph Guerra, Principal Deputy Associate Attorney General.
· Tali Farhadian, an official in the Office of the Attorney General.
· Beth Brinkmann, Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Civil Division.
Two other DOJ lawyers Principal Deputy Solicitor General Neal Katyal and National Security Division Attorney Jennifer Daskal also formerly represented detainees, but their identities had already been known.
In response to the DOJ confirmation, Keep America Safe spokesman Aaron Harison said the organization still wants information on which of the lawyers works on detainee issues within the DOJ.
The American people have a right to know whether lawyers who voluntarily flocked to Guantanamo to take up the cause of the terrorists are currently working on detainee issues in President Obamas Justice Department, Harison said. (Full statement below)
Details about the DOJ lawyers involvement in Guantánamo detainee cases are available in the article, which also points out that the Justice Department hired several lawyers who represented Guantánamo detainees during the George W.
Holders former firm, Covington & Burling represented 14 Gitmo detainees. Still looking to see which ones:
Guantanamo Bay Detainees
We currently represent fourteen men detained at the United States Naval Station at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. Most of the men have been detained for approximately eight years and none have been charged with any crimes. Following the decision by the Supreme Court in Boumediene v. Bush, 128 S. Ct. 2229 (2008), holding that the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus extends to detainees held at Guantánamo Bay, we are challenging the legality of our clients detentions in habeas proceedings in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. Of the seven cases that have gone to merits hearings thus far, Covington has won four, lost two, and is awaiting a decision in one other. Two prior clients were released without a hearing.
The firm has been involved in the Guantánamo related litigation for the last six years. In addition to the on-going habeas corpus proceedings, our efforts have included: bringing cases for review of enemy combatant classification decisions in the D.C. Circuit under the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005; challenging the destruction of CIA torture tapes in federal court; filing amicus briefs and coordinating the amicus effort in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, 548 U.S. 557 (2006); filing amicus briefs in support of Supreme Court review in Moussaoui v. United States, 382 F.3d 483 (4th Cir.), cert denied, 544 U.S. 931 (2005); challenging the governments practice of redacting information from documents given to security-cleared habeas counsel; and challenging the abusive medical and living conditions that the detainees experience at Guantánamo.
I believe the CCR represented him. The CCR has strong ties to Covington & Burling:
And then there is the Center for Constitutional Rights, a Marxist organization that for years has coordinated legal representation for terrorists detained at Guantanamo Bay. The CCR has been attempting to convince Germany, France, Spain, and other countries to file war-crime indictments against former Bush administration officials, including President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and Secretary Rumsfeld. In representing Americas enemies, CCR has collaborated with many private lawyers, who also volunteered their services several of whom are now working in the Obama Justice Department. Indeed, Holders former firm boasts that it still represents 16 Gitmo detainees (the number was previously higher). And, for help shaping detainee policy, Holder recently hired Jennifer Daskal for DOJs National Security Division a lawyer from Human Rights Watch with no prior prosecutorial experience, whose main qualification seems to be the startling advocacy she has done for enemy combatants
Jennifer Daskal is an American lawyer who serves as senior counsel for Human Rights Watch, and focuses on issues of terrorism, criminal law and immigration. She is also currently a political hire at the Department of Justice, which is seeking to prosecute terror suspects through the criminal justice system instead of through military tribunals.
A graduate of Harvard Law School, Cambridge and Brown University and a Marshall Scholar, Daskal garnered attention after traveling to the countries to which Guantanamo captives have been released, to verify that those countries are abiding by the undertakings they made to the US Government to respect the returned captives human rights.
On February 23, 2010, the New York Post reported that Daskal, Neal Katyal, and three other lawyers who had worked on behalf of the civil rights of Guantanamo captives, had been serving on the Obama administrations task force reviewing the status of the remaining Guantanamo captives. The paper had first questioned her appointment to the Department of Justices National Security Division, in July 2009, and then again in January 2010
Petraeus needs to come clean, or forever suffer a horrible stain on his record.He will never be trusted by America ever again, and history will adjudge him as a supporter of a fascist president.
I agree and say it in bold letters in Post #40.
I had the same feeling, except it seemed as though he was telegraphing they had explicitly controlled the final fate of Tyrone Woods, and not simply by telling him to stand down.
Seemed more of a veiled threat, like “we know where you live” -type of remark. A threat or insult with plausible deniability.
It sure wasn’t the type of comment to me made in that circumstance to grieving family members.
One of the few things that make sense.
IOW, in this CT,...it was a preplanned attack,...movements of resources though took longer than several hours.
What was their objective?
Interruption of a shipping transaction?
How far in advance was the Ambassador’s meeting scheduled with the Turkish envoy?
Did something go on in that meeting, which might have been listened to by others, become a decision point, redirecting the objectives of the attacker’s leadership?
Actions, inactions and timing of the mortar assault on the Annex indicates the militants were obeying real time orders from outside the on site command.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
IMHO, both sides were being controlled by this Administration, but perhaps they are Black ops inside Black Ops, where they demand centralized command and centralized control. They were working towards controlling major worldwide terror networks and the MANPADS were valuable resources, at least for the next few years, regardless who wins the election.
The Ambassador’s disappearance was the ‘fog of war’ element, coupled with the ‘rogue ex-SEAL contractor’ obeying centralized command, decentralized control methods of operation became a distraction for their preplanned BlackOp, when he disobeyed perceptibly illegal orders.
The real damage to US security is that by this Administration covering it up, they have exposed their true ways of corrupt thinking. Our adversaries can now read Obama and the Administration like a book, forecasting their decisions, willpower and volition. Now the US can be easily outmaneuvered in this window of vulnerability between now and the Administration’s removal.
(Then again, maybe they were just upset by the video and act irrationally...)/CT
the first job of a CIA chief is that the CIA never takes ANYONE’s words at face value
get the intel first before believing anyone
and the idea that the Bengazi incident began as a protest over the stupid video, did not come from intel
it was the story the organizers (who set up the protest as cover) put out
so, my guess is that leading up to September 11 the CIA “actionable” intelligence was poor, and by September 24 Patreaus went to Congress to repeat the party line, not betray all he really knew (IT WAS terrorists and terrorists organized) soon after the attack was over
now, as of today, he and Clinton and Panetta and Obama are all pointing fingers at each other
The protest was in Egypt. There was no protest in Benghazi - only an attack - in which 4 Americans died.
And it had nothing to do with the now-famous video, either.
The crowd was chanting "Obama, we are all Osamas now!"
"The Innocence of Muslims" warranted not a single mention...
you’re preaching to the choir
Why should we believe Democrat Representative Ruppersberger’s take on this. Just because Rupersberger is claiming it does not mean that it is so.
Petraeus cannot defend himself on this because it was a closed briefing.
Beyond that, Petraeus has already issued a press release denying that the CIA stopped help from going to the Americans who were under attack in Benghazi. If the Democratic representative is lying about Petraeus' position on the video causing the 'demonstration' at Benghazi then he has an obligation to rebut that misinformation just like he did on the reports about the CIA being ordered to stand down.