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AC-13OU Gunship Was On-Scene in Benghazi, Ogama Admin Refused to Let It Fire (updated)
PJ Media ^ | 10/26/2012 | Bob Owens

Posted on 10/27/2012 5:59:20 AM PDT by Aria

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To: no-to-illegals

After the third or fourth change of aircraft (refuel, re-ammo) of the night, pray that “Spooky” (Puff) still knows where your perimeter is.

I carried a buddy’s body to the medevac bird. He had 5 to 7 rounds in his chest from errant Spooky fire.

Spooky DID keep us from being overrun that night by an NVA battalion.

“The rate of friendly fire deaths for all U.S. troops in World War II was 12-14 percent; Vietnam, 10-14 percent; Grenada, 13 percent; and Panama, 6 percent.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-1391626.html

“$*&% Happens”


41 posted on 10/27/2012 7:25:04 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: DJ MacWoW
This really jumps out to me;
Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area. If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta [sic] says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed. If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!

We owe it to those men to keep this information alive and keep the pressure on to get the truth.
42 posted on 10/27/2012 7:27:52 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=om93destr)
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If you agree, please click the "Like"

43 posted on 10/27/2012 7:29:05 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=om93destr)
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To: BwanaNdege
You are correct FRiend, __it Happens. Thank You for your Service, FRiend! May God Bless All Who Have Done Their Duty!
44 posted on 10/27/2012 7:29:37 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: RedMDer
Absolutely!!

I did a Bing search last night on "Benghazi". Only a few articles came up, Fox, Washington Times and...........NBC. All NBC did was quote Fox and the article wasn't linked on their main page. I read the comments. Wow! People were FURIOUS that the news is not covering this. Not one comment defending Obama. All of them yelling for Benghazi to be covered by the press.

45 posted on 10/27/2012 7:36:18 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Aria

The more we know the less we want to know, because the perp is going to go free, and if I was free to voice my disapproval, I would be zotted for life. We have been attacked once again without a response. Remaining comments self censored out of self preservation.


46 posted on 10/27/2012 7:40:58 AM PDT by wita
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To: Aria

A lot of assertions are made in this article without proof, sourcing or backup. I hope that someone among those who know the truth will step forward and tell it - soon.


47 posted on 10/27/2012 7:57:46 AM PDT by karnage
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To: Travis McGee
" Modern laser designators can archive grid locations/GPS coordinates for later use by other platforms."

That's an answer.

Thanks.

48 posted on 10/27/2012 8:01:08 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: Covenantor

AC-130U Gunship, Puff the Magic Dragon redux


49 posted on 10/27/2012 8:15:14 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Travis McGee

Amen to every bot of that, my friend! You should be one of the ones talking on Fox NEws, Limbaugh, and elsewhere.

Maybe General Ham will do it...there are rumors that he ordered the help in and was overruled by Obama to the point of being relieved during the meeting. Someone must do it. They will be an American heroe for so dong from now on.

We have an abject traitor in the Whote House. He is now getting desperate. He allowed Americans to die...and was willing, IMHO, to allow them all to die, and betrayed them in order to cover up his even larger betrayal of all of America because of what this whole thing was about.

If he will stoop to this level...it also means our entire nation is in grave danger as we approach this election.

With these revelations, I would put absolutely NOPTHING past them. Remember, join us and be BRAVE for America. In addition to working hard, pray and fast and follow II Chron 7:14, we need His help now as never before.

Be BRAVE for America on November 6th
http://www.facebook.com/bebraveforamericanov6th


50 posted on 10/27/2012 8:55:28 AM PDT by Jeff Head ( Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Travis McGee

You said “Modern laser designators can archive grid locations/GPS coordinates for later use by other platforms. I don’t know about the guy saying that painting a laser on the mortar team means that an AC-130 or armed Predator was overhead at that time.”

If I’ve got the terminology right, the key word is “painting”. To “paint” a target is to hold a designator on it, so it can be attacked by something which can hit the designation point. The same designator can be used to capture coordinates, to be used in a call for indirect fire (or to stamp on a souvenir photo, for that matter), but that’s not called “painting” a target.

If I’ve got the terminology right, when someone is painting a target instead of shooting, that means that he thinks something is available to fire on the laser spot.

You’re more familiar with this than I am; it that right?


51 posted on 10/27/2012 8:57:46 AM PDT by Keb
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To: Keb
I never used modern laser designators, so I don't know the ins and outs or the "inside baseball" terms. But yes, the laser dot can be homed-in-on by a missile fired from another platform, or it can be used to capture coordinates. In both cases I'd say they were "painting" the target while the laser was on. It's risky, because plenty of enemies now have NODs, and a laser in a NOD is a bright green line pointing straight to your position, in this case, the MG on the roof of the CIA annex. The two savvy former SEALs would not be like rookies, waving that green light saber all over Benghazi to help everybody aim at them. They would use the IR laser the minimum to do a job. To get coordinates, just a moment. But if an AC-130 was overhead and they were begging for supporting fire to take out the mortar position, they would leave it on.

And the longer it's on, the longer everybody in Benghazi with a NOD (or even many modern digital cameras) would be seeing that green line pointing right at the SEALs.

52 posted on 10/27/2012 9:26:10 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SunkenCiv
"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave." --- King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993
53 posted on 10/27/2012 10:18:11 AM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Constitutional Patriot

Dear Sir,

You said, “Obama must be held to account for his cowardice and gross incompetence.”

It is clearly evident to me that it was neither cowardice nor gross incompetence, it was willful treason.


54 posted on 10/27/2012 10:33:13 AM PDT by Tomato lover ( 'My soul, wait thou only upon God!')
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To: Aria

55 posted on 10/27/2012 10:35:15 AM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: ThePatriotsFlag
I would think this sort of breach would be easily impeachable.

As would most of us.
Unfortunately, the Founding Fathers, in their worst nightmares, literally could not imagine the President commiting treason while in office. His immunity is absolute. Already this president by executive order, successfully has hidden his entire life history from scrutiny. He even has the power to pardon himself!

This has to change.
YA THINK??!!??

56 posted on 10/27/2012 10:35:27 AM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Travis McGee
This is at the POTUS level, it is not a decision taken at State. State and the military (JCS) should be in the Situation Room with POTUS soon after a critical incident like this begins, so all decisions can be made in real time. (I have heard nowhere that POTUS went into the Situation Room at all.

Obamamugabe has stated repeatedly that he was not personally aware of the crisis at the embassy as it unfolded.

To my knowledge, no one has asked him where he was for the 2 to 4 hours after the attack began.

Where was Obama during those critical 2 hours???

The physical protection of his country and its citizens is JOB ONE for any elected president.

No exceptions!

57 posted on 10/27/2012 10:46:21 AM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: publius911; MestaMachine; Ann Archy; Jeff Head

Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:45 p.m.)


I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below.

quote:


“(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”

The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.

The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham’s place as the head of Africon.

I found this story when I got home after hearing this story.

quote:


President Barack Obama will nominate Army Gen. David Rodriguez to succeed Gen. Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command and Marine Lt. Gen. John Paxton to succeed Gen. Joseph Dunford as assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced Thursday.

General Rodigues Nominated as Head of Africon

As I was typing this I heard John Bolton on Greta say that there are conflicting reports of General Ham’s comments on this tragedy and why a rapid response unit was not deployed. Bolton says someone needs to find out what Ham was saying on 9/11/12.

Interesting to say the least.


58 posted on 10/27/2012 11:12:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

My God....this is the price of having a CIC who announced before he was even elected that he’d stand with the sworn enemy of the US if the winds turned ugly.


59 posted on 10/27/2012 4:06:26 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: marktwain
The laser designator can also work for armaments carried on drones...

Does it matter who or what he lit 'em up for?

Snuffy believed there was an armed asset overhead and got no response.

That is, no response except from the bad guys.

60 posted on 10/27/2012 4:33:13 PM PDT by norton
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