Did Obama Refuse To Aid Our Men In Benghazi?

Red State ^ | October 27, 2012 | streiff

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Two more puzzle pieces that are circulating. [LINKS in article above and ones below]

Has General Ham Been Fired? "Has General Carter F. Ham, commander of U.S. Africa Command, been fired for defying Leon Panetta on Benghazi?

Glenn Reynolds, the Instapundit, ran a piece Saturday afternoon titled "Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order." This piece is presented as a rumor. It suggests that General Ham was told to stand down from sending aid to Benghazi, that General Ham on his own decided to proceed, and that he was then relieved of his command. Remember, all rumor at this point.

On 18 October 2012, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta participated in a "DOD News Briefing on Efforts to Enhance the Financial Health of the Force." In his introductory remarks, Mr. Panetta said: "Today I am very pleased to announce that President Obama will nominate General David Rodriguez to succeed General Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command . . ."

Barone: Playing the Petraeus Card "Who denied the Navy Seals’ pleas for help in Benghazi? Bill Kristol, in a Friday Weekly Standard blogpost entitled “Petraeus Throws Obama under the Bus,” noted that the CIA put out a statement that “No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate.” Bill says that “presumably” this statement could not have been made without the express approval of CIA Director General David Petraeus and that we must conclude that Petraeus decided that he was not going to take the fall on this. It must have been someone higher up who did, Bill says, and concludes that President Obama must have given the order not to help.

.....................Petraeus has made a statement in public, at least through his spokesman, and one that is not helpful to the president. Why would he do that? I suspect it has to do with the warrior’s ethic of not leaving a fellow soldier behind. I am told that that is a very strong ethic indeed. It is something a civilian commander can sometimes do honorably, in the broad national interest of which he has been chosen by the people to be the judge. But it does not seem to be something that a solider, even a retired soldier like General Petraeus, believes he could honorably do. And he doesn’t want anybody, now or when it comes time for his obituary to be written, to think that he has done so. If President Obama is shoved under the bus, so be it. Honor, as James Bowman has written and as George Washington and so many Founders believed, is paramount." [article also posits why Romney did not go for the Benghazi "bait" in the 3rd debate.]

[null and void]

It was either gross negligence or “evinces a wanton disregard of human life”.

[Tilted Irish Kilt]

Our President saw the attack
Our President went to sleep
He abandoned his post as Commander-in-CHief

Dereliciton of duty - at least
Arm the muzzie Buddiehood
Finance the Muzzie Buddiehood at Benghazi
Treason at least - Check out the definition

[Cincinatus' Wife]

The photo, which is the official one put out by DOD, from the press conference held by Panetta and General Dempsey is horribly eloquent in terms of body language.

Benghazigate: We Know Now Who Gave the Order Not to Protect the Consulate

But certainly Obama made the decision.

Oct 14, 2012 - Mother of Murdered State Department Official Sean Smith Demands Answers

"......Smith said that Ambassador Susan Rice told her it was related to the anti-Islamic film. She recalled, “Leon Panetta took his hands with my face and said ‘trust me, I will tell you the truth. I will get the right information to you, just trust me.’ And when I heard that, I knew I couldn’t trust him, and I don’t trust any of them anymore.”........

[annieokie]

Panetta’s weaselly “clear picture” statement gives the impression of a man with a guilty conscience"""".....

As I watched Panetta give that statement, my take was exactly the same "guilty conscience".

I felt that Panetta wanted to say more, but is very afraid. I saw a very broken man. Someone needs to work on him and see if he has one ounce of decency left. I hope he will go to ISSA or whoever and request a full Protective Order, with guards.

[MestaMachine]

He needs to resign in protest and go immediately to confession...to Bret Baier...live.

[onyx]

For tomorrow. I’m too tired tonight.
Thank you very much, Cincinatus’ Wife!

Please ping your lists, everyone!

[Cincinatus' Wife]

......”However on October 26, “Ambassador” posted the following RUMINT on TigerDroppings (h/t Jim Hoft):

>>>I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below.

quote:

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“(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”

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“The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.

The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham’s place as the head of Africom.”<<<<

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/oct/28/general-losing-his-job-over-benghazi/

[null and void]

Perhaps he has children?

CNBC Exec’s Children Murdered, 1 Day After CNBC Reports $43 Trillion Bankster Lawsuit

Just sayin'...

[onyx]

Just like Covenantor said the other day on another thread, CIA Director General David Petraeus needs to come forward, in a press conference. Honor, duty, country. Tell all he knows, before the election.

The written statement, presumably from him, is insufficient.

[Forward the Light Brigade]

We still do not know the truth—at least all of it. I think Obama choked—Didn’t want to kill innocents—could not make up his mind and so let people die. He takes too long to make up his mind—its just that simple.

[null and void]

I think Obama made arrangements for Amb. Stevens to be kidnapped so he as The Master Negotiator could obtain his release just in time for the election.

It would also give him an excuse to release the blind sheik.

The Won trusted muslims to pull off the kidnapping.

They, of course, murdered him instead...

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Bump!

[MestaMachine]

Didn’t want to kill innocent MUSLIM TERRORISTS so he killed four AMERICANS instead? Are you kidding me?

[Halcontent]

Obama doesn’t give a tinker’s damn about killing innocents!If Obama gave the order to stand down, it’s because Valerie Jarrett told him to! Hurry November!!

[TomasUSMC]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/09/29/White-House-to-change-Afghanistan-generals/UPI-40981348934728/?spt=hs&or=tn

I believe there has been a Mutiny against Obama and he is trying to put it down as we speak. 2 Generals and 1 Admiral have been relieved of their posts lately.....http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/09/29/White-House-to-change-Afghanistan-generals/UPI-40981348934728/?spt=hs&or=tn
GET THE WORD OUT.

[PieterCasparzen]

From kiwiki.org...

On August 1 1979 Thirty-five U.S. Congressmen signed a letter[8]to President Jimmy Carter demanding that private bank loans to Chile be barred unless the Chilean government chose to extradite three military officials, including the former director of the Chilean intelligence service. The three had been indicted for complicity in the assassination of marxist Unidad Popular government member and KGB agent Orlando Letelier and the killing of Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) staffer Ronni Moffitt in 1976.

In May 1978 the Chief Justice of the Chilean Supreme Court rejected the U.S. request for extradition.

Chief sponsor of the letter was Rep. Tom Harkin (D-IA), who was joined by Congressmen John Burton (D-CA), John Conyers (D-MI), Robert Kastenmeier (D-WI), Ron Dellums (D-CA), Berkley Bedell (D-IA), Richard Ottinger (D-NY), Fred Richmond (D-NY), Robert Drinan (D-MA), Leon Panetta (D-CA), Don Edwards (D-CA); Norman Mineta (D-CA), Pete Stark (D-CA}, Anthony Beileson (D-CA) George Brown (D-CA), Toby Moffett (D-CT), Dale Kildee (D-MI), Eugene Atkinson (D-PA), Michael Barnes (D-MD), David Bonior (D-MI), Adam Benjamin (D-IN), William Brodhead (D-MI), Robert Carr (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), Tom Downey (D-NY), Harold Hollenbeck (R-NJ), Pete Kostmayer (D-PA), Stewart McKinney (R-CT), Edward Markey (D-MA), Andrew Maguire (D-NJ) Richard Nolan (DFL-MN), Gerry Studds (D-MA), Bruce Vento (DFL-MN) and Howard Wolpe (D-MI).

read more on Leon Panetta at

http://keywiki.org/index.php/Leon_Panetta

[Armaggedon]

A righteous man or woman must stand up and declare Obama the liar he is. Obama is punishing the truth tellers. Obama is a traitor.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

BUMP!

[SGCOS]

Panetta looks like shit