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Who is worse? (Obama vs Romney from a Hayekian point of view)
CAFE HAYEK ^ | 10/31/2012 | RUSS ROBERTS

Posted on 10/31/2012 6:51:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Election day is a week away. For an economist, this has been one of the worst campaigns I can remember, measured by the rhetoric of the candidates. Unemployment is still near 8% three years into the recovery. The Federal government is consistently spending a trillion dollars more than it takes in. We're in the aftermath of an economy-wide disaster but there has been remarkably little discussion of how we got here. Wall Street has been living off the rest of us and what are we to do about it?

Virtually none of these issues have gotten any real attention. And some of the attention they've received involves the worst kind of pandering rather than thoughtful economics. I know, they're politicians. But given the seriousness of where we're at, the ugly rhetoric seems particularly appalling.

So I thought I'd take a quick spin through the "plans" of both candidates and see just how bad they are.

Romney speaks incessantly of his five point plan:

Get tough on China
Reduce the deficit
Cut tax rates
Champion small business
Energy independence

Those are from memory and I don’t pay close attention, so that’s a tribute to the Romney messaging. Some of these are bad goals. Others are misleading.

Getting tough on China is a bad idea. China sells us cheap stuff. If they really are currency manipulators, I’m grateful to them. China is bad for some Americans–those who want to make the same stuff China does. I’d rather those Americans do something else rather than expect me to pay a premium to let them do whatever they want to do. The low point of the debate was when Obama bragged he’d save 1000 jobs in tire industry by making the rest of us pay more for tires. Bad policy. Unfair. And Romney responded by saying either that he’d be even tougher or talking about labeling China a currency manipulator. (He makes it sound like “child molester.” They are not moral equivalents.) Portraying China as our economic enemy is bad economics. And if China retaliates with some kind of protectionism we’re risking a trade war as we limp out of this recession.

Reducing the deficit is a pretty good idea. But the real problem is that we spend too much. Neither candidate has talked about how government might get smaller. I understand the risks of specifying what programs might be ended. But it would be nice to lay out some principles. But this is probably the best part of the Romney plan.

Cutting taxes without cutting spending is not cutting taxes. Cutting tax rates without cutting spending is pretty close to the same thing. Romney claims he’ll cut exemptions, loopholes, etc. Lovely idea. Very hard to execute politically. So I’m all for tax reform. But I’ll believe it when I see it.

Championing small business is a bad idea. It’s not good to champion any particular group. You especially don’t want to champion small business relative to big business. Some small businesses are trying to grow into big businesses. It’s like favoring children over adults. Most of them are the same species. Putting small business at the center of the plan is a way to pander to people who think that the idea that small businesses create a lot of jobs means that subsidizing small businesses means more jobs. We shouldn’t subsidize anything. That’s the road to cronyism.

Energy independence? Another nice sounding impractical idea. And in general, self-sufficiency is the road to poverty, not prosperity. It’s not an admirable goal in and of itself. I recognize the unpleasant side-effects of buying energy from people who are not nice. But my understanding is that independence is a pipe dream.

Two other disappointments with Romney. When Obama zinged him by saying that Romney had a bigger retirement portfolio and the audience laughed, I wished Romney had said something like, “I’m not ashamed of being successful. I’m proud of it. I worked hard and earned almost every penny. That’s nothing to be ashamed of.”

Obama keeps talking about saving the auto industry and Romney says nothing. He should have said that Obama played favorites. He backed his union cronies and punished bond-holders, degrading the rule of law. He privileged GM and Chrysler at the expense of Ford and other auto makers here in the US with names like Honda that hire Americans. Obama didn’t even save any jobs with his rescue–he saved jobs at GM and Chrysler instead of at Ford and other companies that would have expanded as GM and Chrysler shrunk. Worst of all, by rescuing the cronies, he sent a signal to American companies that you can do a lousy job and instead of improving your product, you can turn to Washington for a do-over. Bad incentives. But Romney wants to win Ohio, supposedly, so he says nothing. But Honda Accords are made in Ohio. Maybe he could have won votes in Ohio by explaining how bailout incentives work.

Then there’s the President. Sometime in the last week, he decided he needed his own plan to counter Romney’s. I don’t know it by heart, just saw it for the first time the other say, so I’ll have to look it up. OK, after googling around, it turns out that the President’s plan is much more extensive than the challenger’s. I had only heard a few high points such as adding 100,000 math and science teachers. It has 27 points. The main ones appear to be:

Reviving American manufacturing
Energy made in America
Growing Small Businesses
Quality education
Cutting the deficit by more than $4 trillion
Putting you in charge of your health care
Protecting retirement security

Like Romney, he wants to privilege small business and domestic energy. Worse, he wants to revive American manufacturing. There is nothing special about manufacturing that we should revive it rather than say the blacksmith industry. Actually, American manufacturing is thriving. It’s manufacturing employment that isn’t. Why should we want to bring back a particular form of employment that has seen great productivity growth making it less necessary to hire people for that industry?

Quality education is a good idea. He plans to get there by hiring 100,000 teachers, training two million workers for “real jobs” at community colleges and cutting tuition growth in half. I don’t know what the federal government has to do with those first two goals. Cutting tuition growth in half is easy if the government would stop subsidizing education. Which the President doesn’t support.

Cutting the deficit by $4 trillion? That sounds like a lot of money. Over ten years, not so much. That’s $400b a year in a $3.7 trillion budget and some of it is an increase in taxes. I want government having less control over resources.

Putting you in charge of your health care? ObamaCare is a step away from that goal. And protecting retirement security–he doesn’t really say how he’s going to get it done in a realistic way.

Of course we have Obama’s first term as data. If Romney is a panderer, Obama is the king of top-down.

The two most important issues facing the economy are shrinking the size of government and the marriage of Wall Street and Washington. Neither candidate has addressed either issue with honesty or seriousness.

So who is worse? In terms of rhetoric, it’s a toss-up. Bigger government vs. a possible trade war with China is an appalling choice. But I don’t believe Romney will really bash China once he’s in office. I think he’s just pandering. So he’ll label China a currency manipulator and do little about it, the way that Obama signed an order to close Guantanamo Bay and nothing happened. And the fact is that Obama won’t be able to expand government much and may be forced to shrink it if there is a Republican House that is a little more Tea-Party flavored and maybe a Republican Senate.

You could argue that we could get genuine budget cuts with Paul Ryan as VP but of course, that’s why Romney chose him, to convince spending hawks like me that he’s serious about cutting spending. I think cutting spending will be very hard to do.

You also could argue that Romney can play Nixon-goes-to-China and reduce the political influence of Wall Street. But I’ve seen no inclination on his part that he might do so.

So who is worse? If I had to bet, I think Romney is certainly more likely to cut spending than Obama. But I would have said the same thing about George W. Bush and his opponents and I don’t think it mattered much. Same with some of Obama’s worst actions, like the auto bailout. It’s nice to think Romney would never do that, but Bush started the auto bailout and I would have said the same thing about Bush ex ante. So I fear a lot of my intuition is just wishful thinking.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hayek; obama; romney

1 posted on 10/31/2012 6:51:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
He makes some good points, but he misses much. A great deal of the current problem is overregulation and uncertainty about federal regulation and taxation.

A Romney administration is at least talking about reducing regulation and making federal decisions more predictable.

He also ignores the horrific effects of the Senate not passing a budget for four years, ignoring its constitutional duty and allowing President Obama to rule by executive order.

A Romney administration will have a budget, which will allow the legislative branch to be held somewhat accountable.

2 posted on 10/31/2012 7:03:41 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: SeekAndFind
Unemployment is still near 8% three years into the recovery

Stopped reading right there.

3 posted on 10/31/2012 7:07:44 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: Right Brother

Obama is worse
Romney will win this Tuesday
Fare thee well sh*thead

I thought it was a Haiku thread. My bad.


4 posted on 10/31/2012 7:25:41 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Media goes nuts in 2004 because Bush went to the dentist 20 years ago. Benghazi? Nothing.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz; Haiku Guy

Not bad at all. :-)


5 posted on 10/31/2012 7:27:43 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Romney/Ryan 2012)
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To: Right Brother

“Stopped reading right there”

That’s not right. We are sometimes hamstrung by words, and in economics “recovery” has a different meaning than you’d like. All it need mean is that the e onomy is not shrinking anymore. If nothing else is true it is so that we do not have shrinkage—or “negative growth” like in ‘08.

I have long battled in my head against the “monopolistic competition” of equilibrium theory. The idea that we call whatever business that can effect demand a monopoly is insane, based as it is on the never in reality fulfilled assumption that all market participants have perfect knowledge of supply and demand. But that is, or at least was, accepted terminology. I don’t stop reading authors who employ it.


6 posted on 10/31/2012 7:36:59 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: SeekAndFind
Getting tough on China is a bad idea. China sells us cheap stuff. If they really are currency manipulators, I’m grateful to them. China is bad for some Americans–those who want to make the same stuff China does. I’d rather those Americans do something else rather than expect me to pay a premium to let them do whatever they want to do. The low point of the debate was when Obama bragged he’d save 1000 jobs in tire industry by making the rest of us pay more for tires. Bad policy.

No mater what the case, I would rather see "Made in the USA"

Championing small business is a bad idea.

Helping small business is not a bad idea. They may make the "Cheap stuff" you referenced in the previous at the beginning.

Energy independence? Another nice sounding impractical idea. And in general, self-sufficiency is the road to poverty, not prosperity. It’s not an admirable goal in and of itself. I recognize the unpleasant side-effects of buying energy from people who are not nice. But my understanding is that independence is a pipe dream.

Ever think that "Pipe dream" may have US oil in it? Maybe it would not be full independence. But using oil from other companies in the US provides jobs.

One last question, "Do you enjoy a high "Trade Deficit"?
7 posted on 10/31/2012 7:39:17 AM PDT by drinktheobamakoolaid (How do you replace an empty suit? Vote on November 6, 2012)
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To: drinktheobamakoolaid

Bingo.

This article represented a China 20 years, or even 10 years ago.

China is changing. Becoming a competitor, even an adversary.

Times are changing. America first.


8 posted on 10/31/2012 7:42:16 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: All

“Energy independence? Another nice sounding impractical idea. And in general, self-sufficiency is the road to poverty, not prosperity. It’s not an admirable goal in and of itself. I recognize the unpleasant side-effects of buying energy from people who are not nice. But my understanding is that independence is a pipe dream.”

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I couldn’t disagree more.

U.S. energy independence is a laudable goal. I’m glad Romney supports it.

Refusing to develop our own energy resources, and instead having to depend on anti-U.S. countries for our energy needs, is utterly stupid.

We shouldn’t have to depend on enemies to provide our security and survival needs. Non-necessities, okay. I’m not against trade.

But self-sufficiency in key areas of necessity is a vital part of national safety and defense.

Hard to believe that the author of the above quote can’t see that.


9 posted on 10/31/2012 11:45:37 AM PDT by onthelookout777
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To: SeekAndFind
One candidate possesses a seething, personal hatred for my economic success, the meager wealth I have been able to keep out of his hands, my skin color, and my very existence on the planet.

The other does not.

Does the author really see no real difference between them?

10 posted on 10/31/2012 11:51:22 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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