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Liberal/Conservative Divide Only Grows Uglier
Rick's Pick's newsletter ^ | Nov. 2, 2012 | Rick Ackerman

Posted on 11/02/2012 6:53:53 AM PDT by Sicvee

It would be easy for me to dismiss Obama supporters as mentally defective but for one inconvenient fact: my mother, sharp as a tack at 92, is voting for him. And so is my sister, a San Francisco attorney who is no slouch in the brains department. I’m not sure where my brother, a municipal employee, stands, but neither am I eager to find out. There is no bridging the political gap between us, and so we simply avoid discussing politics. The same goes for old friends, although newer ones are another matter. One of them walked out on our dinner together in a huff when an innocuous remark I’d made about Abe Lincoln evidently bruised his self-righteously liberal, morally perfect heart . Good riddance. It is far better friends than he that I am worried about. Will they draw the line when I let slip my support for the right to bear arms, even concealed? A few of my wife’s closest friends are unmitigated liberals, and it’s unclear how much longer we’ll be able to tiptoe around the political rough edges when we get together socially. (more at the link)

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1 posted on 11/02/2012 6:54:02 AM PDT by Sicvee
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To: Sicvee

Ronald Reagan: “Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.”


2 posted on 11/02/2012 6:57:00 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Sicvee

And don’t look for that to change anytime soon.

I expect Obama is going to lose, and the Libs are going to fly in to one extended, screaming, foot-stomping, tantrum-laced fit that is going to last a decade or more.

They are setting the stage to waive a bunch of bloody shirts. Look for the UN poll watchers to issue a report saying Obama got SCROOOOOOD by racism.


3 posted on 11/02/2012 6:58:21 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Sicvee

Apparently they vote their “feelings” rather their intellects??


4 posted on 11/02/2012 6:59:12 AM PDT by OldEagle
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To: Sicvee
From the article: It would be easy for me to dismiss Obama supporters as mentally defective but for one inconvenient fact: my mother, sharp as a tack at 92, is voting for him. And so is my sister, a San Francisco attorney who is no slouch in the brains department. I’m not sure where my brother, a municipal employee, stands, but neither am I eager to find out. There is no bridging the political gap between us, and so we simply avoid discussing politics.

I had to stop reading right there. Flawed premise. I don't know whether his 92 yo mother is still sharp as a tack or not. I suppose it's possible. But when we see that he thinks his sister is smart simply because she's a SF Attorney, and SF attorneys are probably 99% socialist...and we see his brother is a government employee - also largely liberal - it is easy to understand this is just a sad family of libs, and he escaped somehow.

I think the mom is set in her ways, which is not a sign of sharpness. I think the sis regurgitated liberal BS back to her liberal law professors - and may not be very smart at all. I just had to stop reading.

5 posted on 11/02/2012 7:00:23 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright ("GONE: The Four Year Wave That Rocked The Bubble" due out Nov 8th)
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To: Sicvee

I agree with Ackerman- it will get ugly regardless of who the next President is.


6 posted on 11/02/2012 7:00:34 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Which will simply be ignore by common sense folks.


7 posted on 11/02/2012 7:01:49 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Sicvee

Overall, a powerful and sobering description of our current pathetic state.


8 posted on 11/02/2012 7:03:51 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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To: Buckeye McFrog

nah, they’ll keep on blaming Bush.

They have lots of fingers to point at everyone else, but they are blind to their own transgressions.

Yes, they do indeed vote their feelings instead of intellect, or else they would realize they have been duped by O and his comrades, especially the Vampire Queen of the Da#ned, Valerie Jarrett. I can only think these otherwise smart people are somehow in a trance or mystically hypnotized by the liberal left loonies.


9 posted on 11/02/2012 7:04:15 AM PDT by sassy steel magnolia (USAF life and Navy wife...God Bless the USA!)
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To: Sicvee
The divide between liberal and conservative widens due to the hyper-liberalism of Barack Obama and his PR team; the MSM. The left refuses to compromise because they believe they are on the verge of re-making America into a socialist state while conservatives realize that if they do nothing and remain a 'silent majority', we'll be a version of the dysfunctional EU within less than a decade, so we resist with all our might. That, quite naturally, creates tension that is intractable and inevitable in such a fight for, as the author states: 'the nation's soul'. We have to win. If that ends up dividing family and friends, so be it. Principles matter.
10 posted on 11/02/2012 7:04:15 AM PDT by Jim Scott (Obama must be defeated)
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To: Sicvee

Too bad you cannot do the Clockwork Orange on them... pin their eyes open and let them watch “Conservatism Is Calling” on Youtube until they finally get it.

Oh don’t get me for forcing propaganda like the MSM! I know you cannot -—>really<-— do that!

Just sayin’...

:-)


11 posted on 11/02/2012 7:04:15 AM PDT by muffaletaman (IMNSHO - I MIGHT be wrong, but I doubt it.)
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To: OldEagle

One of the tactics of the communists has always been an appeal to intellectual arrogance.
Basically, the “argument” is “smart people agree with us”.

Marx used this continually. His ideas were “scientific”. Those who opposed him were “anti-science” or “unscientific”.

Sound familiar?


12 posted on 11/02/2012 7:04:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Sicvee

Too bad you cannot do the Clockwork Orange on them... pin their eyes open and let them watch “Conservatism Is Calling” on Youtube until they finally get it.

Oh don’t get me for forcing propaganda like the MSM! I know you cannot -—>really<-— do that!

Just sayin’...

:-)


13 posted on 11/02/2012 7:04:24 AM PDT by muffaletaman (IMNSHO - I MIGHT be wrong, but I doubt it.)
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To: Sicvee

Too bad you cannot do the Clockwork Orange on them... pin their eyes open and let them watch “Conservatism Is Calling” on Youtube until they finally get it.

Oh don’t get me for forcing propaganda like the MSM! I know you cannot -—>really<-— do that!

Just sayin’...

:-)


14 posted on 11/02/2012 7:04:30 AM PDT by muffaletaman (IMNSHO - I MIGHT be wrong, but I doubt it.)
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To: Sicvee

Can’t imagine what a leftwingtard would have favorable to say about Abe Lincoln. He freed the slaves ~ they create slaves.


15 posted on 11/02/2012 7:05:06 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sicvee

It’s true. I find myself more and more unable to associate with liberals........at all. It is sad that things have gotten to this point, in a way, but it’s also healthy in another.

I believe that most libs simply don’t pay attention. They’ve been brainwashed, primarily by the media, into believing whatever those morons on the boob-tube feed them. I find that incredibly stupid and weak-minded.

The growing number of VOCAL Conservatives is evidence that more Americans ARE waking up to the realities of our country’s situation and are fed up. I expect, with FNC and talk radio and the Internet helping to spread the truth, that Conservative ranks will grow significantly. It’s time for some clear divisions to be faced, accepted, and dealt with. This country needs some soul searching, and despite the tensions, this will lead to innumerable exchanges (often heated) among our citizens. That’s not always a bad thing.


16 posted on 11/02/2012 7:05:24 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

and we see his brother is a government employee

And dependent on taxpayer forced largesse...


17 posted on 11/02/2012 7:08:07 AM PDT by Adder (Sha Nah Nah Nah Hey Hey Hey Goodbye!)
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To: Sicvee

There is no compromise with Marxists.


18 posted on 11/02/2012 7:08:19 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: muffaletaman

Wow be careful when trying to post using your new tablet.

Sorry for the triple-post.


19 posted on 11/02/2012 7:08:19 AM PDT by muffaletaman (IMNSHO - I MIGHT be wrong, but I doubt it.)
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To: Sicvee

The divide between idologies is very healthy. Argue it out and then take a vote. No more unanimous consents and “comprehensive” bills that satisfy everybody and feed the beast. We’re spending a trillion and a half more each year than we’re taking in!


20 posted on 11/02/2012 7:09:59 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Adder

The liberal mind misses the salient point: with big government, into every aspect of our lives, we will have politics dominate our lives by definition. Thus, the divide will grow necessarily as government grows.

There is no friggin way around it.


21 posted on 11/02/2012 7:10:17 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright ("GONE: The Four Year Wave That Rocked The Bubble" due out Nov 8th)
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To: OldEagle

That’s it! And that’s NOT to say they are sensitive, but only selfish. Every liberal I talk to is interested in their own personal wants and needs, and not the betterment of this country. Their depth of knowledge on the divisive subjects is paper thin.


22 posted on 11/02/2012 7:10:58 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: VRWC For Truth

Seriously, you’re correct. No compromise or conversion...
Just have to defeat them.


23 posted on 11/02/2012 7:12:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

yeah my dad had started that screed already, about “racism”. But here’s the deal, we weren’t racist in 2008 and we are now???????????????? How does that work?


24 posted on 11/02/2012 7:15:37 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The mom is probably one of those old hippies


25 posted on 11/02/2012 7:16:12 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I recently moved to NYC after a lifetime in the Midwest. Although there are many committed conservatives in the city, they are outnumbered by low-information liberals. From what I can tell, the reason that most New Yorkers are liberal is that “Republicans are against gay/black/Hispanic people”.

There are also many New Yorkers who call themselves “libertarian”. They are temperamentally Republican people who wish to avoid being burdened with the cultural baggage of the GOP. I recently talked with one such “libertarian” who had never heard of Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, or Frederic Bastiat. How does one know he is libertarian if he has never heard of these economists?


26 posted on 11/02/2012 7:17:43 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: Sicvee

Honest to God, I can’t imagine that anyone who has a brain would vote for the smarmy little marxist Obama.

This morning I had the TV on in the background and FOX was playing some of his chump stump speech in Colorado. He sounded like a really cheap huckster using base language and all. It was just awful.

Any decent person should be totally embarrassed to cast a vote for this clown.


27 posted on 11/02/2012 7:17:59 AM PDT by dforest
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To: yldstrk

Because racism (or sexism) (or bigotry) (or homophobia) (or . . .) is defined as disagreeing with a Democrat.


28 posted on 11/02/2012 7:19:05 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Re-distribute my work ethic, not my wealth.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
got into an argument last night with a large black woman who was sing her welfare cards.
She got cash back from her EBT card, she had the food etc paid for.
She then went to her brand new Nisan Altima 2012 and then went tot he liquor store with their cash back from the EBT.

I met my wife outside the store later and was telling her what I saw ans she heard me and told me it has nothing to do with me, how she can do anything she wants etc.

She then heard my strong northern English accent and told me to go back to where I come from to which my wife said your racist and ignorant.

The black woman then told me I;m a white cracker to go back to where I come from etc.

I told her that I paid for her booze, her food, her toilet roll and she was racist

What did she do?
She then called me racist.

This is the kind of idiots we are facing and it;s getting worse.

Racism and welfare is accepted in the black community and has been for years and now they bring their kids up the same way thinking others should pay for their way of life

29 posted on 11/02/2012 7:19:59 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Proud2BeRight; Sicvee
See "Social Justice"--What Is Not Social Or Just.

Instead of arguing with your seemingly lost friends & relatives, just ask them a few simple questions, which go to the heart of the false assumptions that drive the Leftist ideologue. Give them something to ruminate over, without even offering your political answers, at the same time.

William Flax

30 posted on 11/02/2012 7:20:09 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Sicvee

This is nothing, just wait until the Obama/Loser Riots!


31 posted on 11/02/2012 7:20:15 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Arm_Bears

yeah, they are all kooks if you ask me


32 posted on 11/02/2012 7:20:26 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Sicvee
The political divide. The problem is that now both sides of the aisle has adopted the slogan "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem." The problem is that the two sides see vastly different solutions, solutions that are mutually exclusive. Tax increases versus spending cuts. Big government versus little government. The Entitlement mentality versus the rely-on-ones-self mentality.

"Everything in moderation" has been lost in the debate. Part of the reason, I think, is that the media tends to report any discussion about where we go as a "horse race", and judging from the posts here and from the posts on Huffington, there is this attitude the politics is a zero-sum game. WINNERS and LOSERS.

Even pResident Obama has expressed his zero-sum view of politics with two words during the budget debate: "I won." And with that, we all lost.

The math of economics doesn't have to be a zero-sum exercise. The math of governing doesn't have to be a zero-sum exercise, either. If you are a free-individual believer, test that belief against what you would prohibit others from doing. How does it directly harm *you*? That should be the test for any prohibition. How does your prohibition keep you from doing the act?

Part of the reason I consider both political "brands" as tainted is because I see difference only in details, not degree or level of hypocrisy.

For the religious, I suggest you look up Matthew 7:3 and ponder the reams of words behind the single line.

33 posted on 11/02/2012 7:20:31 AM PDT by asinclair (Bulls*it is an ever-renewable resource.)
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To: Sicvee
Anyone - right or left- who is unable do discuss civilly, and remain friends with any other person, regardless of their beliefs, cannot be considered a civilized human being and has no place amongst adults. I have friends from tea part members to overt marxists, but I refuse to have as even an acquaintance someone of ANY persuasion who can't eat, drink and enjoy the company of others no matter what they might espouse. No ideology or theology can ever be more important than friendship and family.
34 posted on 11/02/2012 7:20:42 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The liberal mind misses the salient point: with big government, into every aspect of our lives, we will have politics dominate our lives by definition. Thus, the divide will grow necessarily as government grows.

Well said. Unfortunately, there is a growing contingent of so-called conservatives who're also quite comfortable with large intrusive government. The only difference between them and your tax and spend liberal is the focus of the intrusion. Conservative culture war types were content advocating that government promote their values, however their successors are more comfortable with government dictating those same values. I've seen more calls for unnecessary constitutional amendments in the last 4 years than I have seen in my entire life.

35 posted on 11/02/2012 7:21:28 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: OldEagle
I just had a conversation last night with an elderly aunt of mine who is voting for Oblunder based on her emotional reaction to him.

When I tried to argue facts with her she said that she didn't like the violence in my responses (we were communicating via facebook) and that there was nothing factual I could say to make her change her mind. She has her fingers in her ears and her head in the sand and she's happy that way.

I just gave up and stopped trying...

36 posted on 11/02/2012 7:22:19 AM PDT by bayliving (I suffer from democrat induced tourette syndrome...)
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To: manc
What you describe is but a symptom of a century old deterioration of our cultural heritage & fundamental premises for civilized behavior. We have been losing our way.

For a more extended discussion, Losing America's Multi-Generational Purpose.

Electing Romney could be a step in the right direction; but it will depend upon millions of Conservatives staying active & learning how to be more persuasive.

William Flax [Romney/Ryan, next Tuesday]

37 posted on 11/02/2012 7:28:53 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Melas
Unfortunately, there is a growing contingent of so-called conservatives who're also quite comfortable with large intrusive government. The only difference between them and your tax and spend liberal is the focus of the intrusion. Conservative culture war types were content advocating that government promote their values, however their successors are more comfortable with government dictating those same values.

I respectfully disagree somewhat - most of the conservative culture warriors fight a liberal attempt to have an activist government change the culture. While we may disagree on whether that's a worthy battle - a legitimate disagreement - I refuse to acknowledge that its the same thing as being pro government by conservatives.

38 posted on 11/02/2012 7:30:12 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright ("GONE: The Four Year Wave That Rocked The Bubble" due out Nov 8th)
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To: Sicvee
Many of us saw this coming a decade or more ago. Since the mid-Twentieth century there have been two (or more) "Americas". To boil it down:

Liberals are not stupid or ignorant; they have a different worldview. This means that:
A. they answer to a different moral code;
B. they acknowledge different authorities;
C. they value different things.

These differences are non-trivial. Our worldviews are more often than not in diametric opposition to each other. As Americans we no longer have a common frame of reference. How can we agree on matters of public policy when we cannot agree on something as basic as what is Right and Wrong? This is a cultural disaster and it defies an easy solution. IMO there is no way to unscramble this egg. The battle for hearts and minds is over and nobody won. Liberals will never again adopt our worldview, and we will not willingly adopt thiers. Historically, the only option that offers both sides freedom of conscience is to separate, either peacefully or violently. In all other scenarios the dominant side will dictate the conscience of the weaker one. Obama's HHS birth control mandate is an example of this.

39 posted on 11/02/2012 7:34:27 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: RedStateRocker

I’ve found those who can’t or won’t harbor any political dissent have problems in other areas of their lives as well. We all know the type. Constantly unhappy and always blaming others, usually emphatically with plenty of cuss words.

They are usually easy to identify with just a passing knowledge of their personal lives. Regardless of party affiliation or religion, they uniformly tend to suck at interpersonal relationships.

With liberals it’s usually the aging bachelor or spinster who just doesn’t understand why they can’t get a date. There is no room in their lives for a drink, a laugh, or a general good time. Every waking moment is as serious as a heart attack and almost as fun. I just described several of my wife’s friends, and I only wish I was joking.

With conservatives it’s usually the guy or gal who’s been married 4 times, and it was always the former spouse who was impossible to get along with. I know this guy personally. Politically sound, but a card carrying member of the perpetually pissed off.


40 posted on 11/02/2012 7:35:21 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: bayliving

I’ll bite. How can you be violent on facebook?


41 posted on 11/02/2012 7:36:27 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas
Big Government "Conservatives," might make sense in a Monarchy, but it is an oxymoron in an American Republic. Our fundamental ethos is dependent upon individual responsibility, strong local communities (remember the Committees of Correspondence in the Revolution) & absolutely no Federal role in dictating cultural or social norms. The Constitution carefully defines the Federal functions--and none of those functions relate to dictating cultural values to the States & local communities.

For an effort to address the cultural divide, Alternative Views.

William Flax [Romney/Ryan--Next Tuesday]

42 posted on 11/02/2012 7:37:19 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Melas

Don’t you know, it’s the tone of what you say. If they don’t like the tone, it’s violence. The whole hate speech industry is built on that.


43 posted on 11/02/2012 7:39:02 AM PDT by DaveInDallas
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To: asinclair
Saying "a pox on both your houses" is a cop-out. Are you positing a Third Way?

And to what are you referring when you say "If you are a free-individual believer, test that belief against what you would prohibit others from doing. How does it directly harm *you*?"

44 posted on 11/02/2012 7:41:31 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: RightOnline

see post 29 when you get a chance please.


45 posted on 11/02/2012 7:44:21 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Ohioan

thanks for the link and I agree with all you said


46 posted on 11/02/2012 7:45:20 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

In 1994, I would have agreed with you. Today, not so much. In the last few years I’ve even seen a number of calls for the repeal of the 21st Amendment. That’s an issue that I thought was settled once and for all.


47 posted on 11/02/2012 7:47:32 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
They are setting the stage to waive a bunch of bloody shirts. Look for the UN poll watchers to issue a report saying Obama got SCROOOOOOD by racism.

Yes it true. His racism is what will bring him down.

48 posted on 11/02/2012 7:50:41 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Shellac Barac)
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To: yldstrk

At 92, that’s unlikely. Although possible. The proto-hippy Jack Kerouac would only be two years younger.


49 posted on 11/02/2012 7:54:42 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Sicvee

See my tag line....


50 posted on 11/02/2012 7:57:16 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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