[robowombat]

There is a possibility that basically white and middle class areas in the US will eventually try to secede. If so there will be blood and the sort of actions seen in Syria is not impossible here. One thing is that the unworthy Americans that voted for the Kenyan Santa Claus and the liberal leaders are basically cowards. Bullies perhaps but mostly cowardly bullies. The big question is , as now in Syria how much of the armed forces will be loyal to the government. If there is significant amounts of the armed forces in seceded areas (think Fort Hood) that side with the secessionists then there will be a lot of dead people before it ends.

[ex91B10]

" there will be a lot of dead people before it ends.

Let's get it over with as soon as possible then. Maybe our kids will actually stand a chance in this world.

Peter is sick of paying for Paul

[hopespringseternal]

If so there will be blood and the sort of actions seen in Syria is not impossible here.

I will say this in every one of these threads:

1) Dissolution is inevitable. You can't micromanage 300 million people.

2) People hankering for some sort of war or violence are idiots. What happens when you lose? Just keep the issue out there. Keep it on people's minds. Ultimately the natural dislike between the two groups will make the decision mutual and mutually beneficial.

[ThermoNuclearWarrior]

I honestly doubt we would see much violence. How many in our military want to fight Americans to uphold tyranny? Even if they don't agree with succession most will not have a principled belief in fighting for a broken and divided union. It's not the same time as our first civil war. I support that we attempt something like this to salvage anything we can of the nation we were meant to be, and I believe it's the only option we have with any chance of success; I don't believe it will be violent however, but with that said we must be willing to face whatever happens once we decide to take this road. Even if we fail it is our only choice, and that makes this an easy decision for me. We are collapsing, and need to do it on our own terms, and save what we can of the country our founders envisioned.

[MachIV]

This is interesting. Because of cultural changes and government changes on don’t ask don’t tell, I believe the kind of people making up our military will be very different in the future than has traditionally existed in our nation’s long ago and more recent past. In other words, it will in the future be made up of people who would love nothing more than advance with violence on our own people, especially white Christian conservatives. If our military budget is slashed, perhaps for this reason alone, it might have some benefit.