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Romney Adviser Blames Bad Messaging
Foxnews.com ^ | 07 Nov 2012

Posted on 11/08/2012 11:25:45 AM PST by US Navy Vet

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1 posted on 11/08/2012 11:25:58 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

Morons.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 11:27:39 AM PST by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: US Navy Vet
I've had it with our stinking "Establishment Republicans" who keep blaming conservatives for THEIR LOSES.
And yes, I DID cast a vote for LOSER and "Establishment Republican" Romney, and AGAINST the Arab-Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama II, (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro),
the one guilty of TREASON !
That last caller should have told Rush that Conservatives have little in common with "Establishment Republicans".
Every time "Establishment Republicans" tell us what to do, WE LOSE !
Every time "Establishment Republicans" sell us a COMPROMISING LIBERAL, we lose !
Don't you get it ?
No more MONEY or VOTES for "Establishment Republicans" !

Jack Kerwick's article May 24, 2011 titled The Tea Partier versus The Republican was right.

I'm fresh out of "patience", and I'm not in the mood for "compromise".
"COMPROMISE" to me IS a dirty word.
Let the RINO's compromise their values, with the conservatives, for a change.

Mitt Romney and the "Establishment Republicans" can go to hell!

3 posted on 11/08/2012 11:28:30 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple. Fight ... or Die !)
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To: US Navy Vet

Who is this Ben Ghazi guy the Republicans are NOW talking about? Geez, what a bunch of morons.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 11:29:23 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: US Navy Vet

I don’t understand why they keep saying Romney didn’t get the voters McCain got. . . I have seen several articles/references to the fact that tens of thousands of votes have not been counted yet (absentee, military, provisional) and that it is expected that Romney will actually exceed McCain’s vote totals by some.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 11:29:28 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: US Navy Vet

Missed big openings and playing nice guy doesn’t win.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 11:30:23 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: US Navy Vet

Democrats committed voter fraud

This freeper txrefugee had a post that I think we all should read and spread around:

“On CNN today, they revealed that Axelrod & Co. had the 2010 Census sheets from the heavy-minority counties in the swing states. They supposedly knew every house where their voters lived and followed up with absentee ballots etc.(No one has moved in the last two years? Hard to believe.)

Now, if this isn’t a recipe for stealing an election, I don’t know what is. They could request the ballots, have someone collect them at drop boxes, fill them out and submit them. No wonder the turnout of Blacks, Mexicans, and students actually went up over ‘08, though the enthusiasm was obviously missing. That doesn’t make sense unless someone was doing something shady.

3 posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 7:53:38 PM by txrefugee


7 posted on 11/08/2012 11:31:55 AM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: US Navy Vet

I’m having a hard time with this turnout thing. I don’t even live in a swing state, but the turnout was crazy here. People were in line forever. The lines were full of short-haired men and with women dressed in red; the parking lots were full of pickup trucks. Conservatives turned out in droves, in herds, in masses. You may have heard that in heavily conservative areas of Virginia like Norfolk, there were people (service members and their families) standing in line for THREE HOURS in the dark and cold after the polls closed, stubbornly insisting on their right to vote. We didn’t see this for McCain and Palin, sorry. So I’m mystified: where did all their votes go? Where?


8 posted on 11/08/2012 11:34:35 AM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: US Navy Vet

Yawn.

Romney should have promised a free rifle to every GOP voter and that probably would have worked better.

People now want free stuff - give it to them.

Democrats offer free condoms - we offer free rifles.

Lets see who turns out more peopler.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 11:35:09 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: US Navy Vet

Bet source was Stephen Schmitt.
Sounds dumb enough to be him


10 posted on 11/08/2012 11:35:14 AM PST by Zathras
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To: US Navy Vet

I don’t understand why Romney chose not to clobber Obama over Benghazi. Perhaps it had to do with some notion of being a “gentleman”, or “running a clean campaign.” Maybe he thought that if he aggressively criticized Obama on this issue, new facts might suddenly come to light that would make such a tactic appear foolish. Who knows.

But it’s no mystery why he was hamstrung with the issue of Obamacare: as governor of Massachusetts, he imposed the same program. It’s difficult to get around that fact.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 11:41:07 AM PST by GoodDay
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To: Yosemitest

Obama has levraged the Demographics - Why do you think the Dem’s go further & further to the left. It’s their new base. That 47% Romney spoke of is 51% of the voting base.


12 posted on 11/08/2012 11:41:53 AM PST by KSCITYBOY
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To: Persevero

You wrote”I don’t understand why they keep saying Romney didn’t get the voters McCain got. . . I have seen several articles/references to the fact that tens of thousands of votes have not been counted yet (absentee, military, provisional) and that it is expected that Romney will actually exceed McCain’s vote totals by some.”

Ok you have posted this on about every thread discussing turnout so either prove with sources that the vote totals listed in the article is not true or explain why you keep posting it.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 11:50:39 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: GoodDay

Most of us were saddened that Mitt tap danced around the Benghazi coverup. Most of the morons voting never heard about it - thanks to the lame-stream media. This would have brought the subject to the forefront, but as usual - the nice guy decided to let it ride. Mitt said he would repeal Obamacare, but then added - repeal and replace. Replace it with what? He stood by Romneycare, therefore, Obamacare was a losing issue. Most of us knew this when he got the nomination, but hoped that the failure of these past 4 years would overcome this. It didn’t. I also know they fudged the unemployment numbers to help zero.

We can second guess this election forever, but the fact is - the Dems stole this election. We all know it, but proving it is another story.


14 posted on 11/08/2012 11:55:14 AM PST by Catsrus (WANT)
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To: ottbmare
I’m having a hard time with this turnout thing. I don’t even live in a swing state, but the turnout was crazy here. ... I’m mystified: where did all their votes go? Where?

Maybe they were Dim voters? If you look at results across the country, the Rats got out their vote. Here in CA, they have a 2/3 supermajority in the legislature for the first time in decades.

OTOH white turnout was down. Not in relative percentage but in absolute numbers. If whites had turned out in bigger numbers proportional to their fraction of the population, Romney and many other Pubbies would have won.

Was it evangelicals sitting it out? See my post,

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2957103/posts
15 posted on 11/08/2012 11:55:56 AM PST by fifedom
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To: Red Steel

The Republicans are shattered now. Ran the wrong guys and didn’t support the. Gov. Christie betrayed the party by hugging Obama-—The ball is in Obama’s court now—if he’s smart he has two years to break the GOP to pieces and secure 50 years of Progressive rule.

Republicans need Cool people to run for office.
Drop the religion thing—it turns the people off.
We need comedians who can make people laugh.
We need a good War Hero! Some one like Audy Murphy or ???
We must be true to our colors.
Put Newt in charge! or even—dare I say it—Sarah Palin! Hey they might do a better job!
We must do more Talk shows and comedy shows—Even Dick Nixon did Laugh In—”Sock it to me?”


16 posted on 11/08/2012 12:03:01 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Red Steel

Neither does saying “I basically believe in what they believe....just less.”


17 posted on 11/08/2012 12:07:49 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: US Navy Vet

Well, it certainly true that Romney just wimped out and let Obama get away with murder without more than a brief complaint.

But the problem isn’t just that he didn’t speak out. The problem is, even if he had spoken out, who would believe him? His record is pro gay, pro abortion, and pro socialized medicine. He is a serial liar and flipper flopper, and the media would have torn anything he said to shreds.

So, his only recourse was to stand there with perfect hair and smile and pose with his wife. Sure, but that isn’t enough to cut it.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 12:17:57 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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There’s an old saying about political campaign postmortems:

If you won, everything you did was right.
If you lost, everything you did was wrong.


19 posted on 11/08/2012 12:32:44 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: GoodDay

I don’t understand why Romney chose not to clobber Obama over Benghazi.

* * *

I think that after Candy “Beeyotch” Crowley hamstrung him during the second debate on that (by backing Obama’s lie), Romney was afraid to bring it up again for fear of looking like he was a member of the tinfoil hat brigade. I hope Ms. Crowley loses her job as a part of “necessary downsizing” one of these days....


20 posted on 11/08/2012 12:46:52 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on.)
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To: D-fendr

Well if you are poo pooing the whole process of analysis after a loss, I’m not sure what to tell you. I bet this guy was on the inside begging Mitt to go with a harder message and was out voted by the others inside. This guy was right, it was the messaging.

Benghazi was money left on the table, as were a lot of other issue,s out of wimpiness and fear.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 12:53:56 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WFT: How Karl Rove and the Consultant Class Have Destroyed America")
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To: US Navy Vet
we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare

Romney couldn't talk about Obamacare without having to justify Romneycare, and he weak "MA is one thing, USA is another" doesn't work, because a government mandate is at the heart of each, and that's the fundamental problem.

Fully agree that they (or surrogates, more to the point) should have brutalized Obama with the Benghazi fiasco. At the ver least, we might some justice if it it didn't move the election needle.

22 posted on 11/08/2012 12:55:20 PM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: US Navy Vet

Counting down the number of days remaining when we have to hear anything from “Romney advisors”

Just go away

Go

Now


23 posted on 11/08/2012 12:56:33 PM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert
I think that after Candy “Beeyotch” Crowley hamstrung him during the second debate on that (by backing Obama’s lie), Romney was afraid to bring it up again for fear of looking like he was a member of the tinfoil hat brigade. I hope Ms. Crowley loses her job as a part of “necessary downsizing” one of these days....

I think it was a tactical decision in the debate. Obama was sure to think that Romney would go there again, armed with more facts, and Obama likely had a well-tested counter prepared.

Outside of the debate, however, is another story. Me, I would have bought ad time both immediately before and immediately after the debate and hammered the point home while people will still formulating their opinions.

24 posted on 11/08/2012 12:58:26 PM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: silverleaf
Counting down the number of days remaining when we have to hear anything from “Romney advisors”

They'll be on talk shows for the next four years explaining how it was Sarah Palin's fault.

25 posted on 11/08/2012 12:59:40 PM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: kevkrom

post of the week


26 posted on 11/08/2012 1:01:02 PM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Red Steel

Well said. I liked Romney but he left a lot on the table.

1. Eric Holder’s many disgraces.
2. Losing the middle east to terrorists.
3. Black Panthers (see #1)
4. The billions plowed into donor companies only to have them go backrupt.
5. Keystone

There are probably more but he should have had negative ads running non-stop in the closing weeks. Ohio may have loved the auto bailout but many of the blue collar types don’t like the idea that the Obama justice department let Black Panthers drive white voters from polling places.


27 posted on 11/08/2012 1:02:46 PM PST by paul544
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Or it was not articulating the economic issue well enough.

Or not hammering the values voter.

Or it was GOTV.

Or it was letting Obama have a free ride this summer (Rove’s main theory).

Or it was riding the clock in the last two debates instead of being more confrontational.

Or it was not allocating more to OH instead of WI and Penn.

Or it was not integrating the Tea Party.

Or it was ignoring the hispanic vote.

Or it was some or all of these.

My point was what ifs after the election are interesting, but it’s not as nearly as certain as we would like. When you win, everything looks good to you; when you lose everything looks bad.

thanks for your reply...


28 posted on 11/08/2012 1:06:22 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

you posted a worn out cliche as some kind of brilliance - but the fact remains, about 2/3 of your list is actually part and parcel of what he is saying.


29 posted on 11/08/2012 1:08:15 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WFT: How Karl Rove and the Consultant Class Have Destroyed America")
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To: crosslink

“Ok you have posted this on about every thread discussing turnout so either prove with sources that the vote totals listed in the article is not true or explain why you keep posting it.”

I am sorry, I haven’t saved the references. Perhaps another Freeper can help me out.

What I have seen - more than once - is a graphic comparing the ‘day after the vote’ totals for McCain and Obama, and the totals maybe a month later, at certification.

Under that is a graphic showing ‘day after the vote’ totals for Romney and Obama, which make it pretty clear than within a month or so we should not see a lower turnout for Romney than we had for McCain.

If I see it again, I’ll post it.


30 posted on 11/08/2012 1:10:16 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: crosslink

Also, I have posted this information on perhaps three threads; I doubt that is anywhere near “all the turnout threads.” It makes perfect sense if you think about it. The fact is, all the votes are not yet counted. That is easily discerned.

I am trying to stop misinformation from getting out there with us. We make bad decisions if we have bad info. For example if we believe that hundreds of thousands of less votes came in for Romney than McCain, we logically conclude we are losing ground, have to change or give up to be a minority party. But if we realize that Romney actually got the same or more votes than McCain, it would indicate otherwise.


31 posted on 11/08/2012 1:13:35 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: US Navy Vet

Sounds like the ground-game guys are trying to blame the ones responsible for the air attack.

I expect the messaging guys to whisper about that the GOTV efforts were the problem.


32 posted on 11/08/2012 1:15:34 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: crosslink

OK here’s a reference (I wasn’t even looking, just surfing)

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/07/looking-at-the-national-exit-poll/

John Podhoretz: “As I write, Mitt Romney has 57.4 million votes. John McCain ended up with 59.9 million. It’s a little noticed fact that in two weeks following every presidential election, votes continue to be reported…by the millions. As I recall, Barack Obama got something like four million more votes in the weeks after election day, while John McCain got two or three million. It’s likely that by Thanksgiving, the final vote tally will show Romney very close to or even slightly exceeding McCain’s total.”


33 posted on 11/08/2012 1:21:04 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

Thanks, I will wait to see if these counts change.


34 posted on 11/08/2012 1:26:21 PM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Two-thirds is close enough to “everything.”

I’ll take it.

:)


35 posted on 11/08/2012 1:27:37 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: US Navy Vet

TOLD YOU SO.. Romney was going to take a dive..
I suspect he knew about the massive voter fraud that was going to take place..
He didnt look very upset that he lost... kind of like he knew it all along..

I believe he did.. and was complicit in it...
AND STILL IS.. Bengazi will die a quick death..

And most of AMerica could give a “floater” about it..

What amazes me is the obvious GLEE that Megyn Kelly and Bair showed when Obama WON on FOX...
FOX News is starting to STINK... O’Realy seems to “care less” who won..

Its becoming harder and harder to watch FOX News for me..


36 posted on 11/08/2012 1:44:44 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Yosemitest

Your post looks like a note from a serial killer. Maybe you’re just deranged.


37 posted on 11/08/2012 2:25:10 PM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate Freepers for giving him four more years!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Useless blame game.


38 posted on 11/08/2012 2:26:21 PM PST by newzjunkey (Obama thanks Pontius Pilate Freepers for giving him four more years!)
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To: Catsrus

Remember when Mitt criticized Obama’s response to Benghazi, the press let him have it, claiming he was just playing politics and that he “jumped the gun”......he put his tail between his legs after that.


39 posted on 11/08/2012 2:28:36 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: US Navy Vet

Easier than taking responsibility for rooting out voter disenfranchisement of the members of their Republican Party.

Of course Romney’s worth a cool coupla hundred million or so...

but how about all the Republican Party grass roots..who need jobs and their vote.. who humped it...where’d their vote go?


40 posted on 11/08/2012 2:30:12 PM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: US Navy Vet

RINO File.


41 posted on 11/08/2012 2:33:06 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Yosemitest

So...

Who is your candidate who would have beaten Obama this time?


42 posted on 11/08/2012 3:06:01 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, or Rick Santorum.
Any of these Conservatives could have cleaned Obama's clock, and any one of them ... had the guts to do it!
43 posted on 11/09/2012 12:34:54 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple! Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Umm, Herman quit.

Palin never got in.

The rest couldn’t beat Romney, who couldn’t beat Obama.

Even on FR we couldn’t unite behind any one of them.


44 posted on 11/09/2012 7:48:44 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
They couldn't beat Romney because the voting public isn't paying attention to what's really happening.
Too many of them are worried about being nice, rather than solving problems.
Too many elected Republicans are "going along to get along", instead of standing up for principles.

So where are we in this "Fatal Sequence" of The Cycle of Nations:?
46 posted on 11/09/2012 12:24:35 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple! Fight ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Of course re-electing Obama keeps the nation on a terrible course. And yes, it reflects badly on a large segment of voters.

My point was we’re not the victims of some GOP conspiracy, or the establishment or elite or whatever. We’re not victims or battered wives as someone else suggested.

We had a weak field; we need better candidates.
We had sideliners and third-pary vote wasters; we need more unity.

And we need to work on our long term problems in education and culture.

Playing the victim doesn’t help.


47 posted on 11/09/2012 1:44:49 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Well put (both your posts).


48 posted on 11/10/2012 11:15:20 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: D-fendr
Playing the victim? Really?

Yes we had a weak field.
Only about 38 percent of the Republicans supported Romney in the Primary.
So 62 percent voted AGAINST "Establishment Republican" Romney.
And you say, "We’re not victims or battered wives as someone else suggested"
Who was it that dumped all those negative adds on Conservative Candidates in the primary?
Who was it that constantly battered each leading Conservative in the primary with an average of three to one negative ads against our real candidates?
Who's money was dumped against the conservative choices?

Victim? Do you really believe that Romney got ZERO votes in 68 Precincts? Do you really believe it was an accident that when some people voted for Republican candidate Mitt Romney, the machine appeared to change it to the Democrat candidate Barack Obama? Do you really believe that Democrats didn't intentionally vote more than once for Obama? I think you need to grow up.
Denying being a victim of voter fraud doesn't help.
But getting the criminal enterprise of the Obama Judicial System to prosecute the guilty who stole this election, is a lost cause.
Remember, it doesn't matter who has the votes, it matters who COUNTS the votes.
49 posted on 11/13/2012 1:46:10 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
So 62 percent voted AGAINST "Establishment Republican"

Unfortunately those were split among three, four or five other candidates.

My other point was we were not unified.

Weak candidates, lack of unity. Not victims of "the Establishment."

50 posted on 11/13/2012 3:41:05 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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