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How many tea-party supporters voted for Obama?
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Posted on 11/10/2012 6:45:45 PM PST by chessplayer

A footnote from the national exit poll that I missed earlier this week. Note to the 11 percent: You’re doing it wrong.

Reuters/Ipsos conducted its own exit poll, based on a massive sample of 40,000 people, and got basically the same result — 12 percent of those who “identify strongly” with the tea party pulled the lever for four more years.


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Going by the hatred for Romney that some in here expressed, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if a substantial number of conservatives voted for obama out of spite or revenge. Or to see the country totally destroyed
1 posted on 11/10/2012 6:45:50 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

I don’t believe that number at all. They are liars who hate the tea party.


2 posted on 11/10/2012 6:48:24 PM PST by jammer
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To: chessplayer

Lots of liberals call themselves “tea Partiers”. At least two here in Michigan were far left marxists convicted of election fraud stemming from their string of fake “tea party” candidates in 2010.


3 posted on 11/10/2012 6:49:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: chessplayer

Then, there’s this problem with Democrats ~ they tell lies particularly lies that can harm Republicans. I’m not surprised that a lot of Democrats would lie about having a TEAParty affiliation.


4 posted on 11/10/2012 6:49:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: jammer

yep to your comment, and cripplecreeks too...


5 posted on 11/10/2012 6:50:00 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: jammer

Chill.. Think you are over analyzing.. As seen on Jay Leno street interview, people will pretend to know something.. If asked do you like tea party..they will say yes. strongly? sure.. They might not know what tea party is or stands for...
11% is just about right..


6 posted on 11/10/2012 6:51:16 PM PST by GreaterSwiss
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To: jammer

The big problem is that fewer people voted for Romney than McCain. Which means a lot of people stayed home.


7 posted on 11/10/2012 6:51:41 PM PST by Sir Clancelot
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To: jammer

The big problem is that fewer people voted for Romney than McCain. Which means a lot of people stayed home.


8 posted on 11/10/2012 6:51:59 PM PST by Sir Clancelot
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To: chessplayer
Romney expressed considerable hatred to lifelong Conservative Republicans.

Some folks think that deserves a response.

9 posted on 11/10/2012 6:53:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: chessplayer

> ...it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if a substantial number of conservatives voted for obama out of spite or revenge.

Ah, Obama was targeting these conservatives when he asked voters to vote for revenge!


10 posted on 11/10/2012 6:53:25 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: chessplayer

Better ask how many Ron Paul supporters voted for O


11 posted on 11/10/2012 6:53:38 PM PST by dalebert
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To: jammer
Michigan Dems Charged in Forging Fake Tea Party Election Documents

Anyone who thinks the democrat/media attempts to manipulate and divide conservatives have stopped, is an idiot. Personally I think they have seen their opportunity and ramped up their efforts massively since the election.
12 posted on 11/10/2012 6:54:24 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: chessplayer

I’m a supporter of the Tea Party and I’d never,ever,*ever* vote for a Rat.If my **mother** was running for office as a Rat...ANY office...I wouldn’t vote for her.Staying home is the very worst I’d ever do.These stats are very suspicious to me.


13 posted on 11/10/2012 6:54:35 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Sir Clancelot
The big problem is that fewer people voted for Romney than McCain. Which means a lot of people stayed home.

Don't forget that approx 2.5 million people die each year in the US.

Old white Republicans are being replaced by young non-white Democrats.

14 posted on 11/10/2012 6:57:25 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: Sir Clancelot

http://www.commerce.gov/sites/default/files/images/2010/december/totalpopulationbyage2010.jpg ~ they’re dead Jim ~ the Boomers are passing quickly ~ just like everybody else does as they get older. New registrations haven’t kept up to previous numbers of voters. Obama lost more than twice as many voters!


15 posted on 11/10/2012 6:57:58 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: chessplayer

Paultards claim that they invented the Tea Parties. Is that who you’re talking about?


16 posted on 11/10/2012 6:58:02 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: nascarnation

old black Democrats are passing at an even faster rate than the old white Republicans though, and the old gays? They’re long dead!


17 posted on 11/10/2012 6:59:44 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Sir Clancelot

or their votes didn’t get counted


18 posted on 11/10/2012 7:03:23 PM PST by digger48
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To: muawiyah

I did some research and Mitt said he could be compared to William Weld. Mitt also expressed a strong dislike for Jesse Helms, and here’s the reason:(it seems Weld was also a big RINO) You would have to be to be nominated by a Democrat.

Weld resigned the governorship after being nominated United States Ambassador to Mexico by President Bill Clinton. He was never confirmed by the United States Senate, however and hence never served as Ambassador. This was due mainly to opposition from Senate Foreign Relations committee chairman Jesse Helms, who refused to hold a hearing on the nomination, effectively blocking it. Though both were Republicans and though that party held the majority in the chamber, Helms objected to Weld’s moderate stance on several social issues.


19 posted on 11/10/2012 7:04:07 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: chessplayer

Roadtrip! They need another wakeup call reminder. I think it’s time to make another trip to DC with all my fellow TP patriots.


20 posted on 11/10/2012 7:04:31 PM PST by Gorilla44
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To: Sir Clancelot
The big problem is that fewer people voted for Romney than McCain. Which means a lot of people stayed home.

I keep reading this claim. Could you please provide the data that demonstrates your claim is correct?

21 posted on 11/10/2012 7:05:47 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: muawiyah

Blacks may be dying faster, but they comprise a much smaller percentage of the 60-80 age group than of the 20-40 age group.
And gays (despite fake media efforts to make them larger) represent trivial numbers.


22 posted on 11/10/2012 7:06:42 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: chessplayer

I do not believe that for a minute. I know people who could not bring themselves to vote for Romney, but not one of them would have voted for Obama instead. They said they would vote for a 3rd-party candidate rather than violate their conscience. Many of those people were pro-lifers who could NEVER vote for Obama.

The people who are reporting the exit polling stuff have no concern for telling the truth even when the truth can be easily documented, and in an instance like this where there’s no way to prove them wrong they can make up whatever they darn well please. I don’t believe a word of it.


23 posted on 11/10/2012 7:09:40 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: chessplayer

Liberals playing mind games.


24 posted on 11/10/2012 7:11:21 PM PST by expat1000
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To: chessplayer

book mark


25 posted on 11/10/2012 7:12:12 PM PST by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Two reasons:

1. I’m sure some were tea-party haters who just lied to the pollsters. I sure would feed some BS to a pollster if I thought it would make the other side look bad.

2. The other part of it is poorly informed voters. I heard another exit poll question that asked if people agreed that expansion of government was bad because it increased the chance of corruption. 71% of those polled agreed - yet a majority of them voted for Obama anyway.

Unionized schools don’t teach American History and Civics like most of us learned, the family conversation over the dinner table has been replaced by texting from the shared data plan, and how many kids nowadays are learning traditional values from Boy or Girl Scouts, 4H, or at Sunday School? They plug in earbuds and listen to rap songs filled with four-letter words instead of paying attention in class and far to many just drop out before graduation and join gangs or the welfare rolls.

Yes I’m broad-brushing and we have some outstanding young people but we also - without any doubt - have a deteriorating culture and a disheartening number of people who haven’t got a clue about much of anything (besides whose winning on Idol and DWTS).


26 posted on 11/10/2012 7:12:52 PM PST by bigbob
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To: chessplayer

Who cares... voting does not count...
or have you been asleep?...


27 posted on 11/10/2012 7:13:07 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: chessplayer

Don’t be silly. There were fake Tea Parties all over the place in the 2008 elections, and I’m sure that’s still the case, if not worse. And anyone can claim to be Tea Party members, just in order to confuse things. Like the trolls that come here and insist they are conservatives, but. . . .

I would imagine that a few Tea Party people may have decided to vote third party or abstain, since Romney was the RINO candidate, but no real Tea Partyer would vote for Obama.


28 posted on 11/10/2012 7:14:02 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jammer

I think Reuters created these “voters” just like they created the Iraq bombing images by C&P-ing the same small image over and over on the same “photo” to make it look bigger than it was.

They think we’re idiots. First we’re told that conservatives stayed home in droves, and now they want us to believe that the avid Tea Partiers who were motivated to show up voted for OBAMA?

Gosh, they think we’re morons.


29 posted on 11/10/2012 7:17:04 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I believe it. There is a small minority of Tea Partiers who are phonys, 11% sounds right. The type who bitch and moan about big government, except for the handouts they get. They are all for cutting the other guy. For them, you would have to pry their government entitlement checks out of their cold dead fingers.


30 posted on 11/10/2012 7:17:04 PM PST by gusty
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To: Just mythoughts

Wasn’t me with the claim, but I’ll chime in:

2008: McCain/Palin 61.2 Million votes

2012: Romney/Ryan 58.2 Million votes

So, that’s about 2 million less votes. This still leaves the question of where they went - dead, escaped to foreign lands, or stayed at home. Factor in that effectively, more than 2 million less voted, in the sense that the population grew by a few percent over 4 years.


31 posted on 11/10/2012 7:17:17 PM PST by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: chessplayer

Romney treated Palin like she didn’t exist, I wonder how many Palin supporters refused to vote for Romney because of that. I also wonder how many Ron Paul supporters refused to vote for Romney.


32 posted on 11/10/2012 7:18:38 PM PST by Reddon
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To: Just mythoughts

archives.gov has the prior election totals. McCain got 59.6 million roughly, Romney got 58.5 million roughly.

Some suggest that this is due to old Republicans dying off means that they aren’t being replaced by younger Republicans entering the ranks of registered voters.

My real fear is that some stayed home because they didn’t like Romney. Staying home is always a vote for the incumbent effectively.


33 posted on 11/10/2012 7:21:45 PM PST by Sir Clancelot
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To: muawiyah
Romney expressed considerable hatred to lifelong Conservative Republicans. Some folks think that deserves a response.

"Hatred", eh? Like his running mate, I suppose, and going into Indiana to stump for Mourdock even though it didn't personally benefit him (as Indiana was a lock) other than wanting to keep the Senate seat.

So I take it from this response you are considering the numbers accurate and defending so-called "tea partiers" for voting for Obama. Wouldn't surprse me in the least to learn that you voted for Obama yourself.

You continue to make one remark after another that has no basis in fact...the classic being the one where you claimed Mourdock was not polling better because Romney was "dragging him down" even though in the same data Romney was up double digits.

34 posted on 11/10/2012 7:23:44 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: chessplayer

Well, one way to look at this election: The US is like an alcoholic that just needs to hit bottom before deciding to go into recovery. Not that that will work.


35 posted on 11/10/2012 7:25:11 PM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: Reddon

If Palin’s supporters loyalty was to her and not to the issues, that would be pretty sad. Palin wasn’t running this year. And Ron Paul didn’t win the nomination.

Do Palin and Paul supporters think a second Obama term is better than a Romney term? If they do, that’s very sad.

Obamacare will be fully implemented and unable to be dismantled by 2016.

Obama may get a few more Supreme Court Justices, not to mention the lower federal courts.

Who knows what will happen to Israel.

National debt will be 20 Trillion. Worse, Amerika will be more dependent on government, which will make it even harder to reduce spending.

Anything about that appealing to Palin or Paul supporters? I don’t think so.


36 posted on 11/10/2012 7:27:15 PM PST by Sir Clancelot
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To: Sir Clancelot; C210N

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2957492/posts


37 posted on 11/10/2012 7:27:57 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Republican Wildcat
Back in Mass, long before this year's debacle. Guy has been a regular anti-Republican agitator for as long as he's been able to walk.

A careful examination of things would reveal he thinks all you need to do to run as a Republican is wave money around.

38 posted on 11/10/2012 7:27:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: gusty

How do you know this?

There have been people who pretend to be Tea Partiers in order to make the Tea Party look bad - people who carry racist signs, for instance - but they are quickly identified by other Tea Partiers because they just don’t fit the OVERWHELMING pro-America, pro-Constitution profile of the other Tea Partiers. I don’t think you’d be able to find 1 in 10 of those people voting for Obama after they took the time to attend rallies and publicly subjected themselves to the libel as well as the threat of Homeland Security considering them potential terrorists.

At best, there might be fakers who told exit pollsters they were Tea Party people who voted for Obama, but that would only be an illusion and wouldn’t explain the numbers that contradict what people observed regarding early voter turnout and polls taken in the run-up to the election.


39 posted on 11/10/2012 7:29:04 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: C210N

Do some of you people STILL not understand that the cumulative vote total hasn’t been counted yet…? Lots of absentee and provisional ballots out there yet to be tallied, and so on.


40 posted on 11/10/2012 7:31:20 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Sir Clancelot
people have a right to vote or not vote in this country. this is not some fascistic third world hellhole ~ supposed to be civilized. The fact is the boomers are now dying at an accelerating rate and that easily accounts for 100% of the missing voters ~ whether from 2004 to 2012 or from 2008 to 2012.

Democrat losses were greater ~ that's due to the higher mortality rates suffered by blacks (they are about 40% of the effective field strength of democrat voters).

By 2016 the Democrats will be weaker than the Republicans simply because so many more of them will have died, become disabled, or gotten felony convictions.

41 posted on 11/10/2012 7:33:52 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: chessplayer

They’re really jumping the shark.


42 posted on 11/10/2012 7:34:38 PM PST by AliVeritas (God's will be done. Pray, Pray, Pray, Penance, Penance, Penance.)
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To: chessplayer
There's nothing like having your enemy rely on disinformation you've planted to ensure that your enemy will be unprepared for a battle.

I think this just shows you can't trust the exit polls to the extent people seem to think you can. They're based on what someone says about their own views and what category they should be put in or they're based on whatever the survey taker wants to write down in spite of what they're told.

People like to roll up printouts of exit polls and smack one another around with them but as far as I can tell the exit polls are as much a part of the democrat fascist propaganda machinery as what they call "news" is.

43 posted on 11/10/2012 7:35:42 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: chessplayer

Agreed.


44 posted on 11/10/2012 7:35:53 PM PST by LadyEleanor (How Do I change my tagline?)
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To: Rashputin
Exit polling wasn't done everywhere. There were like 20 spots ~tops.

The sample design was poor ~

I don't think exit polling is organized well enough to care about one way or the other.

Telling us about exit polls is about as scientific as waving a sacrificial chicken over your head.

45 posted on 11/10/2012 7:37:58 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: butterdezillion

I seen and heard this type my whole life. That is why it doesn’t surprise me. Don’t fret, it is actually a good sign. The larger a movement is, the more outliers like this you will have. It is proof that the movement is strong. Once you have attracted a small percent of morons to your movement, you know you are here to stay.


46 posted on 11/10/2012 7:38:28 PM PST by gusty
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To: chessplayer

A lot of ‘em are likely incredibly uninformed folks who think they like Tea Party ideas… but don’t actually get it.

A few could be Ds playing games, but I doubt this is a huge number.

I’d bet there’s a contingent of ‘suicide cult’ Tea Partiers who deliberately voted for Ø due to being pissed off at the GOP for various reasons, with possible hopes of forcing the GOP to self-destruct into civil war, and/or clear the way for a takeover or emergence of a Conservative party.


47 posted on 11/10/2012 7:42:51 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: muawiyah
Thanks, I didn’t realize there were so few places that they were done. You’re absolutely right, they can’t be worth spit.

That makes it even more interesting to see some people around FR who love to focus on them and whack others with the numbers from them. I guess they think that as long as they post some sort of numbers they’re proving their case even if the numbers themselves are actually worthless. Or, maybe they don’t realize how worthless the numbers are.

Regards

48 posted on 11/10/2012 7:46:08 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: chessplayer

Total Horse Shit.

I just had dinner and endured a stoopit creative myth that a large swath of Latino’s in Florida, who are typically Republican, decided to go full tilt crazy and pulled the lever for Obama.

I call BS on both these stories.


49 posted on 11/10/2012 7:47:54 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Rashputin
They don't know.

BTW, swinging that chicken will get you better answers ~ so it's believed.

The practice is very ancient and reminds me of Roman Augury where birds are released.

The chicken sacrifice is more honest than exit polls though ~ it's certainly a case of random distribution of blood drops and plasma, like the bird droppings as they are let out of the cages ~ but with the exit polls there's no random selection since there's a background stratification of voters which is not accounted for very well.

Hog slaughter down on the farm is no good ~ they use bullets to the brain, and hogs just huff and the breath goes out of them and that's it. No idea how we could use that to illuminate exit polls ~

50 posted on 11/10/2012 7:52:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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