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What is a fiscal cliff?
The Toronto Sun ^ | Nov 10/12 | Lorrie Goldstein

Posted on 11/11/2012 5:58:13 AM PST by Dartman

Edited on 11/11/2012 6:51:02 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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1 posted on 11/11/2012 5:58:19 AM PST by Dartman
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On the plus side, this would cut the current U.S. deficit of $1.17 trillion almost in half.

This cannot be true.

2 posted on 11/11/2012 6:00:26 AM PST by backwoods-engineer ("Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov officials committing it." -- K. Hoffmann)
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To: Dartman; blam

4 posted on 11/11/2012 6:04:26 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Except tax hikes now will only reduce revenues so they will just further cripple what used to be America.


5 posted on 11/11/2012 6:11:01 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Dartman
These are Fiscal Cliffs...

Gross Domestic Product / St. Louis Adjusted Monetary Base or Aggregate Monetary Velocity


6 posted on 11/11/2012 6:12:31 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: wastoute

Exactly.


7 posted on 11/11/2012 6:16:38 AM PST by Dartman
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The fiscal cliff is when interest rates rise and we spend all our money rolling over our debt.

This debt ceiling stuff is just a short pit stop on the way up the cliff.


8 posted on 11/11/2012 6:23:50 AM PST by Darth Reardon
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The real debt limit isn’t our own restriction on how much we’re willing to borrow, but the lenders’ restriction on how much they’re willing to lend.

And we hit that several years ago.

Something more than 30% of our so-called debt isn’t really debt, because nobody’s willing to buy it. Instead, it’s manufactured from whole cloth, via “quantitative easing”.

In other words, it’s not debt, it’s inflation of the money supply. Printing money like it’s worthless paper.

And there isn’t all that much space between our printing money like it’s worthless paper and the rest of the world deciding it’s worthless paper. And when that happens, expect Weimar-style inflation.

In truth, I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already.


9 posted on 11/11/2012 6:27:29 AM PST by jdege
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Why,pray tell, is it so urgent after the election !?


10 posted on 11/11/2012 6:32:10 AM PST by nevermorelenore
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I'm with them who's new mantra is "Ahhh frack it. Let it go over the cliff."

Just make sure it's tied to the Dems (yeah, fat chance, I know with stupid repubs in he house.)

Jeez. Just think of how many small businesses at 50k/pop that 16.4TT would have started!

But no, we had to pay for abortions and contraceptives, hundreds of billions in foreign aid, 2.5 billion on the worthless UN and on and on and on, not to mention a healthy lining of Dem Donor's pockets and so many Green boondoggles that it boggles the mind. Then there's fed salaries, a bloated bureaucracy, free healthcare for half of govt while we have to pay for ours, half of govt employees not paying incom taxes, Dems getting 200k/yr+ and yet stiffing the House Cafeteria for their meals, crooked stamps for campaign cash deals and again, on and on and on.

Reagan wisdom is for the ages. Government is not the solution, Government is the PROBLEM! The Nearest thing to immortality you're ever going to see is a federal tax.

Yeah, let it go over the cliff. Republicans have been screaming about this for decades and every single time the American people have treated it like a puppy that had just peed on the floor and gave it a smack on the nose with a newspaper.

Let er go.

11 posted on 11/11/2012 6:34:56 AM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica ("We have prepared for the unbeliever, whips and chains and blazing fires!" Koran Sura 76:4)
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looking at the above money velocity graph however, it appears that this increase in the money supply has not yet filtered into circulation though. Where is it? who has it and what are they doing with it? I have a theory.


12 posted on 11/11/2012 6:38:25 AM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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“it appears that this increase in the money supply has not yet filtered into circulation though. Where is it? who has it and what are they doing with it? I have a theory.”

Where is it? The Gov loaned it to banks at zero interest.

The banks loaned it back to the gov at about 3% interest.

It is right back where it started except now Bronco Bamma is flush with cash to give the leeches free phones and welfare.

13 posted on 11/11/2012 6:57:34 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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Why,pray tell, is it so urgent after the election !?

It was urgent before the election. It was urgent during the election. It's simply urgent.

We're not at the brink of a precipice - we're in that short pause in a Chuck Jones movie, after we've run off a cliff, and before we've started to fall.


14 posted on 11/11/2012 6:59:09 AM PST by jdege
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15 posted on 11/11/2012 7:02:43 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Dartman
This means Obama and the Democrats and Boehner and the Republican now have to negotiate a new deal all over again.

No they don't. This is the first time anything they have done has addressed the deficit. We can live with reduced government spending.

16 posted on 11/11/2012 7:12:48 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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People forget America isn’t a closed system. All kinds of foreigners hold US dollars because their own currencies are in a more hazardous situation than the US dollar.

If you’re newly rich in China, are you going to trust the Chinese government to protect your wealth? How about a European with confiscatory tax rates? Or how does a drug lord protect his wealth?

Owning gold isn’t practical or even possible for a lot of the wealthy.


17 posted on 11/11/2012 7:16:28 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Dartman

I was highly amused to read an AP “fiscal cliff” story the other day. Their summation: it’s all the fault of the Republicans.


18 posted on 11/11/2012 7:41:22 AM PST by driftless2
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Lets see 1.2 trillion deficit, CBOsay eliminating tax cuts on rich results in 89 billion, fical cliff, please 1 trillion over 10 years is 100 billion per year outof what 3.4 trillion budget, if that is a cliff I have a bridge......, if and I mean if this happens our deficit goes down to 1 trillion, yup what a cliff. We are screw if we can’t cut 3% of our spending, lol


19 posted on 11/11/2012 8:14:54 AM PST by blitz128
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The Canadians don’t want us to become the Mexico at their sothern border. I don’t blame them, look what it’s done for us the last 30 years.
Mexico has some nice people, but we should not be giving social programs and services to non citizens or to residents because they had a citizen baby IMO.


20 posted on 11/11/2012 8:17:17 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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