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Senators propose comprehensive immigration changes
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | November 11, 2012 | MICHELE SALCEDO

Posted on 11/11/2012 1:47:23 PM PST by artichokegrower

WASHINGTON (AP) — Two senators on opposite sides of the aisle are proposing comprehensive changes to the immigration laws that would include a pathway to citizenship for the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants now in the United States.

Democrat Chuck Schumer of New York and Republican Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who promoted similar proposals on separate Sunday news shows said that no path to citizenship would be available until the country's borders were secure.

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Amnesty. Well that didn't take long. Let see 11 million new citizens who then can legalize their family members so maybe 50 to 60 new Americans.
1 posted on 11/11/2012 1:47:27 PM PST by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

“Chuck Schumer of New York and Republican Lindsey Graham of South Carolina”

Man, that’s like the A-Team.


2 posted on 11/11/2012 1:50:13 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: artichokegrower
Ha Ha! Schumer & Graham are on the SAME side of the aisle. Graham is as liberal as "Senator" Al Franken, and as talented.
3 posted on 11/11/2012 1:50:37 PM PST by Thom Pain (U.S. Constitution is a CONTRACT!)
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To: artichokegrower

I actually liked Limbaugh’s idea: go ahead and make them legal but don’t let them vote for 25 years.

Wonder if the dems would still favor amnesty then?


4 posted on 11/11/2012 1:51:05 PM PST by gotribe
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To: artichokegrower

Graham must be planning to retire in 2014. He barely bothers coming back to the state—his welcome is not generally warm.


5 posted on 11/11/2012 1:52:10 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: artichokegrower

Lindsey certainly dumped Benghazi pretty quickly.

Who does he think he works for?

He’s jumped into this silly competition for foreigners’ votes.

Silly senators. Do they consider how they’re going to come out in history?

Don’t they read Shakespeare?


6 posted on 11/11/2012 1:52:35 PM PST by stanne
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To: artichokegrower
no path to citizenship would be available until the country's borders were secure.

Of course, our idea of a secure border and their declaration that such has happened will be vastly different.

7 posted on 11/11/2012 1:52:35 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: JCBreckenridge

You know, I think the A-Team would do a heckuva better job.


8 posted on 11/11/2012 1:53:33 PM PST by stanne
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To: artichokegrower

You can thank Hannity and Dr. K for helping to stoke this fire...


9 posted on 11/11/2012 1:53:44 PM PST by TBBT
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To: artichokegrower

YUP.

They are going to finish off this country in a single term.


10 posted on 11/11/2012 1:54:52 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: TBBT

Hannity is vastly, comically underqualified to be spewing policy ideas on national broadcast.


11 posted on 11/11/2012 1:55:09 PM PST by stanne
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To: artichokegrower

That is game, set, and match if that happens.

If that were to happen, we would eventually see another conservative moment form but it might take another 50 years to happen and most of its adherents would have hispanic surnames.

That conservative movement would likely be very different from the one we have today. It would probably pine for those by-gone days when unemployment was only 7.9% and when it did not require a wheelbarrow load of dollars to pay for a loaf of bread.


12 posted on 11/11/2012 1:55:41 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: artichokegrower

I just hope they have tough enforcement measures like Simpson-Mazzoli. You know, the “last, there ain’t going to be anymore, cross our hearts hope to die” amnesty. The one with approximately 1.5 million illegal aliens, that turned out to be over 3 million (go figure). I’m sure 11 million is a low ball number. It’s probably like 1 million.


13 posted on 11/11/2012 1:55:51 PM PST by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: artichokegrower

Over 70% of Hispanics vote for Democrats, and now we’re looking at adding between 20 and 35 million new Hispanics to our citizenry. Then each of them can bring over as many close relatives as they want. Hey, you’re looking at 100 million in short order.

What could go wrong with that?


14 posted on 11/11/2012 1:57:34 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: gotribe
There's precedent for that ~ the Republican of Venice required 25 years residency before you could become a citizen.

The way that worked was that few residents were citizens ~ high death rate in those days ~ couldn't even have children in the city because it was so unhealthy.

But fur shur the Dems would never go for that.

15 posted on 11/11/2012 1:59:44 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: artichokegrower

And this new “path to citizenship” will be violated just like the current “path to citizenship” is.

These people are treacherous traitorous vermin.


16 posted on 11/11/2012 2:01:16 PM PST by Ray76 ("We're ready to be led" - John Boehner, leader of the opposition)
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To: dirtboy

They promised secure borders with the last amnesty back in 1986. How did that work out?


17 posted on 11/11/2012 2:02:55 PM PST by artichokegrower
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To: Mamzelle

Hasn’t anyone down there tried to primary him? He has always been a huge RINO on this issue.


18 posted on 11/11/2012 2:02:55 PM PST by MachIV
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To: DoughtyOne
-- What could go wrong with that? --

Nothing, if the plan is to lord over a society of dependents.

Congress (and the Courts) works for itself, not for the public.

19 posted on 11/11/2012 2:03:21 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: 3Fingas

50 million killed though abortion. Didn’t work so well for America, eh?


20 posted on 11/11/2012 2:04:41 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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But no budget.


21 posted on 11/11/2012 2:05:13 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: MachIV
He'll be facing someone this time around.

The SC GOP love him. Duke Power loves him. Trial lawyers love him.

22 posted on 11/11/2012 2:05:41 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: artichokegrower

Fine... let’s bring in another 50 million Mexicans. Let’s send them into the cities so they can take all the jobs from Obama’s “base”.

Let’s see how Holder’s people like the result of that.


23 posted on 11/11/2012 2:05:50 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: stanne

“Hannity is vastly, comically underqualified”

Seems like a nice guy. Probably fun to have a beer with, Butt,,,, you’re dead on! A policy nitwit! 8^)


24 posted on 11/11/2012 2:06:37 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: artichokegrower

If this happens, stick a fork in us...we’re done as a country.


25 posted on 11/11/2012 2:07:05 PM PST by MachIV
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To: dirtboy
no path to citizenship would be available until the country's borders were secure.

Seems like that was part of the deal last time.
26 posted on 11/11/2012 2:08:33 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: artichokegrower

How many times are we going to do this? What a joke this country is becoming. Why have borders and laws anyway?


27 posted on 11/11/2012 2:08:33 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: artichokegrower

“Democrat Chuck Schumer of New York and Republican Lindsey Graham of South Carolina”

Opposite sides of the aisle? I think not.


28 posted on 11/11/2012 2:08:56 PM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: artichokegrower
One might assume that Lindsey Graham is the best that we could expect from...say...Rhode Island.But can't SOUTH CAROLINA do a *lot* better than him?
29 posted on 11/11/2012 2:09:23 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: gotribe
I actually liked Limbaugh’s idea: go ahead and make them legal but don’t let them vote for 25 years.

I heard that part of the show Friday as the wife and I left the shooting range after 2 hours shooting her Glock 17 and my HnK USP9 going through several HUNDRED rounds of ammunition.

Rush nailed it. If the Democrats are serious about this being a "compassion" issue for them they'd readily agree to not letting immigrants vote their first 25 years in this country.

Personally, I think it's a GREAT idea.

30 posted on 11/11/2012 2:09:23 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: stanne

They don’t care about legacies or posterity as long as they get “theirs” now.


31 posted on 11/11/2012 2:09:59 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: artichokegrower
Interesting that immigration is such an immediate priority while the country goes bankrupt.

Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay and work here is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty. The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

32 posted on 11/11/2012 2:11:26 PM PST by kabar
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To: artichokegrower

If the pubbies are gonna cave, they should at least get the wall completed so there is no reneging . Ya think?!


33 posted on 11/11/2012 2:12:54 PM PST by Wi40
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To: Mamzelle

How about Trey Gowdy? That man has backbone!


34 posted on 11/11/2012 2:13:03 PM PST by Andy'smom
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To: artichokegrower

The republic hasn’t been dead for a week, and here come the grave-robbers.


35 posted on 11/11/2012 2:20:33 PM PST by Jacquerie (Once a republic, now a democratic tyranny.)
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To: artichokegrower

If democrats get to tax like they want, maybe business will haul tookus to Mexico? We will suffer but I bet many illegals here from south of the border will be heading home.

If amnesty happens, we are screwed.


36 posted on 11/11/2012 2:22:06 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: artichokegrower

they would be wise to stay away from the terminology, “path to citizenship.” I might listen to what they have to say if they talk about “Path to legalization”. If any are legalized, citizenship must be a distant possibility.


37 posted on 11/11/2012 2:22:36 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: usconservative
Rush knows batsh*t about the immigration issue. An amnesty would kill this country. Legal immigration is already killing us. An amnesty would be the last nail in the coffin.

FYI: The Dems would love to take such a deal even if the courts would never permit such second-class citizenship.

38 posted on 11/11/2012 2:23:45 PM PST by kabar
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To: usconservative

No, I don’t think so. Their newly legalized kids would be able to vote in much less time than that. You would have to restrict not only them, but everyone else that they would bring with them for another 25 years. That is not going to happen. Also, even if the dems would agree to such terms initially, they would reneg at the first opportunity to do so. And finally, this would not halt illegal immigration at all. They would still be coming here illegally and probably at an increased pace.

So. if this amnesty does happen. We will effectually be forming a political union with Mexico and the reconquista will be complete.


39 posted on 11/11/2012 2:25:11 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas

reneg == renege


40 posted on 11/11/2012 2:26:55 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: artichokegrower
We had amnesty in 1986 the problem with the 1986 "reform" was simply that IT WAS NOT ENFORCED once amnesty was granted! The borders were not enforced.. the law was ignored by government and business.

In the early 2000s we had miles of FR threads about this.

The "reform" granted legal status to far more than was declared during the debate and as the years passed millions more poured through the border with the full knowledge and approval of government and business. They were all here illegally with the full knowledge and welcome of government and business.

The SSA has file called the Earnings Suspense File (ESF) which documents every SSN earning that did not match the SS master file. Nothing is deleted from the ESF unless the earnings are transferred to a valid SSN in the SS master files. Records in the ESF go back to 1937.

FIGURE 1: STATUS OF THE EARNINGS SUSPENSE FILE (Tax Years 1937-2000) in CONGRESSIONAL RESPONSE REPORT Social Security Administration Benefits Related to Unauthorized Work, A-03-03-23053 (March, 2003), shows some interesting things about the Earnings Suspense File (ESF).

It shows that following the 1986 amnesty and "reform" there was a decrease in volume of records in the file.

Well, the SSA does not delete earnings statements from the ESF unless it can transfer the earnings to a valid SSN. Amnesty -- by any name -- creates valid SSNs and the SSA will transfer past earnings data submitted with bogus SSNs to valid SSNs. It helps SS for the ILLEGALS to have their old W-2s showing the bogus SSNs they used.

To the best of my knowledge it was a 2004 law that finally required SS benefits be earned with authorized work from 2004 on. ILLEGAL aliens can get SS benefits based upon all bogus SSNs prior to 2004 once they become legal "guest workers," or through their own efforts they become legal and acquire a valid SSN -- or get amnesty.

Immigration "reform" will likely delete the 2004 requirement -- if it was ever enforced anyway.

Border enforcement will be IGNORED no matter the law.. that cheap, taxpayer subsidized labor is just to valuable to businesses.

41 posted on 11/11/2012 2:28:44 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: artichokegrower

I say let’s give amnesty to illegal aliens with two big qualifications... one, you CANNOT collect any public/government benefits for 10 years, and two, you CANNOT vote for 25 years.


42 posted on 11/11/2012 2:28:50 PM PST by RochesterNYconservative (ROMNEY/RYAN 20121)
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To: MachIV

[ If this happens, stick a fork in us...we’re done as a country. ]

We’re already done.


43 posted on 11/11/2012 2:30:56 PM PST by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: artichokegrower
If nothing else convinces Americans to oppose amnesty this should convince them.

If nothing else the sight of these guffawing goofballs would make me oppose "comprehensive reform."

They had just -- through "hard work and dedication" -- worked out the details of comprehensive reform in 2007. Then the whole thing blew up in their fat faces.

44 posted on 11/11/2012 2:31:18 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Chuckie Schumer is an ultra liberal human toilet.


45 posted on 11/11/2012 2:33:09 PM PST by Mr Apple ( http://www.israelnewsagency.com/iranisraelnuclearariel3890624.html)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Yeah, they still owe us a border closing from the last “amnesty”. They like to harp about everyone else “paying their fair share” while they ignore their own debts. Don’t know any more what there is for it, but war. We’ve tried everything else.


46 posted on 11/11/2012 2:34:47 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Andy'smom
This government is going to do as it wants to do. From the bottom up, it makes no difference.

Senators, congressman, governors, they are going to do as they dang well please. All the while giving lip service to those who still fall for such service.

Well, I don't fall for it and I'm tired of fighting.

Let the Obama lovers have it! They are WILLINGLY IGNORANT. Let them live in their altruistic world. I don't even think they have sense enough to mourn freedom.

I can deal with this immigrant stuff because it won't really be bad until I'm dead and gone.

I'm old enough to suffer under the current regime - I got mine and if I lose it I still have the ability to roll with the flow.

I'm tired of fighting for the young ingrates that vote coolness over country. Let ‘em have it!

47 posted on 11/11/2012 2:38:02 PM PST by KittenClaws (You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: KansasGirl
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48 posted on 11/11/2012 2:38:02 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: artichokegrower

If they do this, the Republican party is finished. Course the Rinos won’t care, they’ll just switch to Democratic Party and keep on keepin on.


49 posted on 11/11/2012 2:41:05 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: artichokegrower

THIS IS THE ONE THING THE DUMB ASS GOP BETTER STAND UP AGAINST OR ELSE THEY’LL BE THE MINORITY PARTY AND NEVER WIN THE PRESIDENCY AGAIN.

I hate the left in this country. Bunch of rich white elitist lawyers destroying our western culture and country for their own power grab. And that goes for any R who goes along with the destruction.


50 posted on 11/11/2012 2:45:56 PM PST by snarkytart
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