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Bradley Offspring, GCV, May Top 84 Tons, Heavier Than M1 Tank
AOL Defense ^ | November 8, 2012 | Sydney J. Freedberg Jr.

Posted on 11/12/2012 1:49:28 PM PST by JerseyanExile

What may weigh more than an M1 Abrams tank and carry 12 soldiers? The Army's Ground Combat Vehicle. New weight estimates for GCV, released this week by the Congressional Budget Office, will likely go over like a lead ballon with the program's critics in Congress and in the Army itself.

Depending on the model and add-on armor package, an M1 weighs 60 to 75.5 tons. According to the CBO report, the General Dynamics design for the GCV weighs 64 to 70 tons. BAE s proposal is still heavier, at 70 to 84.

Two years ago, when the Army withdrew its original Request for Proposals for the GCV and revised its requirements, part of the reason for the change was shock at the sheer weight of the proposed designs: 50 tons for just the basic vehicle, up to 70 with all the optional add-on armor packages for the most dangerous missions. "You're telling me this is going to be 70 tons, which is the same as an Abrams," Gen. George Casey, then Army Chief of Staff, said incredulously at the time, in an interview with Defense News. Now it looks like the revised requirements have led to a vehicle that's even heavier.

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KEYWORDS: defenseprocurement; nationaldefense; pentagon; usarmy
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The full CBO report is here.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43699-GroundCombatVehicles.pdf

1 posted on 11/12/2012 1:49:37 PM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile

The gas milage isso poor on the Abrams tank that it has to be hauled to the battle site on a trailer. big waste of money use drones instead.


2 posted on 11/12/2012 1:52:41 PM PST by tom paine 2
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To: JerseyanExile

This sounds like a replay of the Sgt York anti aircraft weapon. Sometimes the Army Ordnance people do the strangest things.


3 posted on 11/12/2012 1:56:44 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: tom paine 2

It was more of the wear and tear on the tank tracks and track pads that requires HETT units. The M1 meets the required 300 mile range, but that’s still a lot of movement on the tracks.

And drones can’t hold real estate.


4 posted on 11/12/2012 2:00:38 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: JerseyanExile

Land dreadnought not unlike the German King Tiger.

Too heavy for bridges, especially in the Turd World. Too heavy to get into theater.

This is what happens when you design stuff by committee of contractors and risk-averse politicians.


5 posted on 11/12/2012 2:00:59 PM PST by SargeK
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To: JerseyanExile

Looks like a Bradley on steroids.....

6 posted on 11/12/2012 2:02:12 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: JerseyanExile

Mission Creep gone horribly wrong??


7 posted on 11/12/2012 2:02:43 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: xkaydet65

FORD was responsible for that mistake.
They used the radar from the F-16, and during one demonstration, the Sgt York tuned in on the rotating fan blades in a nearby outhouse, sweeeping it’s twin 40mm canons across the spectator’s grandstand.


8 posted on 11/12/2012 2:04:27 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: tom paine 2
That's because the M1 uses a gas turbine instead of the piston diesel that is made in our factory in Muskegon Michigan.

The gubmint was sold a bill of goods and fell for the BS that the GE turbine was better than the Continental piston engine.

9 posted on 11/12/2012 2:04:44 PM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: JerseyanExile

They need to fire the people who wrote the specs.
They’re trying to build an invulnerable APC - and it just isn’t doable.
And building the Maus as an APC with a piddling 30mm cannon and an MG is simply ludicrous.


10 posted on 11/12/2012 2:08:57 PM PST by Little Ray (I have VOTED AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: exnavy

Diesels have a lot more power now than they used to back in the 1970s.


11 posted on 11/12/2012 2:10:31 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: exnavy

wasn’t there a movie about this? Kelsey grammar was in it?


12 posted on 11/12/2012 2:12:52 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JerseyanExile
If we would carpet bomb the snot out of them before we sent in troops we wouldn't need to worry about IEDs!

Most of the middle east is a waste of sweat!

13 posted on 11/12/2012 2:13:02 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: JerseyanExile

Cancel those. We need more money fo free cell phones


14 posted on 11/12/2012 2:13:02 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Little Ray

At 70 tons perhaps they’re planning to crush enemy formations under its wheels of terror.


15 posted on 11/12/2012 2:16:46 PM PST by agere_contra ("Government creates nothing" - Romney, 2012)
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To: JerseyanExile
Merkava
16 posted on 11/12/2012 2:22:03 PM PST by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: JerseyanExile

Cancel those. We need more money fo free cell phones


17 posted on 11/12/2012 2:22:03 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: exnavy

I thought the M1 used the Honeywell AGT1500.


18 posted on 11/12/2012 2:23:21 PM PST by Glennb51
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To: JerseyanExile

Can’t we just nuke our enemies and leave the boys out of this?
We know who they are. We know where they live. We know that nothing good ever came out of their turd-world ratholes and probably never will...


19 posted on 11/12/2012 2:25:56 PM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: reluctantwarrior

while it has been stated the MERKAVA can load and unload infantry from the rear doors, these are specifically designed for fast reload of ammunition. to load infantry would require removal of much of the main gun ammo so it is not a heavily armed/armored infantry carrier, nor was it intetnded to be.


20 posted on 11/12/2012 2:48:25 PM PST by bravo whiskey
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