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To: kabar

Secure the border should be number one on your list....

BTW, I never called them victims, your word not mine. I called them illegals....

However, our government was horrendously duplicitous in allowing this to happen. Our government means, we the people.....This was encouraged behavior on our part....Not just for a few years but multi-generational.....

You can try to separate yourself from these policies but in the end, our Federal government was the illegals “partner in crime”. It has been criminal what our government has allowed...

Let that sink in and think about it for awhile.....You are directly responsible and a “partner in crime” for the illegal issue. Not stating you were a willing participant, you were not driving the getaway car but you were a passenger....We all are, we are responsible for our goverment’s actions.....

Now we have to deal with the aftermath....


66 posted on 11/14/2012 8:20:03 AM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: nevergore
Secure the border should be number one on your list....

Securing the border only solves part of the problem of illegal immigration. 40% of the current illegal population came here legally and overstayed their visas, which is why we should implement the US-VISIT program fully. We have over 50 million visitors annually in the US. We need to be able to track their entry and departure and if they overstay their visas, track them down and deport them.

BTW, I never called them victims, your word not mine. I called them illegals....

You made excuses for their illegal behavior. It is the fault of the USG and states that allowed them to come here and give them a wink and a nod. It is like blaming the rape victim for dressing too provocatively. These are lawbreakers who have thumbed their noses at our laws and broke them multiple times. We owe them nothing.

You can try to separate yourself from these policies but in the end, our Federal government was the illegals “partner in crime”. It has been criminal what our government has allowed...

That same federal government was/is supported by the American people. We deserve the government we get.

Motivated by parochial self-interest, the pro-mass immigration, open borders, amnesty advocates have formed a powerful coalition including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, labor union leaders, the Catholic Church, ethnic and racial groups, “moderate” Republicans, and the Democrat Party. The common thread that unites these groups is power, money, and the prospect of increased constituencies, even at the expense of our long-term national interests and survival.

Now we have to deal with the aftermath....

We dealt with the aftermath in 1986 with a "one-time" amnesty that was supposed to solve the illegal alien problem once and for all. The proponents promised that this would be the last and only amnesty. The USG estimated 1 million would apply, but the true number turned out to be 2.7 million. And the process was with rife with fraud. Ed Meese has said it was a huge mistake and should not be repeated. Now we have 12 to 20 million illegal alien just 26 years later.

Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay and work here is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty. The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

Conferring rights and privileges upon illegal aliens has a corrosive effect on the Rule of Law, the very foundation of our Republic. It is also a slap in the face to legal immigrants who have followed the rules and obeyed the laws. There are millions of immigrants waiting their turn overseas to enter the U.S. legally and approximately 40 million immigrants living in the U.S., most of whom followed the law. Recent polling by Rasmussen has shown that the American people are calling for increased enforcement of our immigration laws.

The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Arizona proving that it does.

67 posted on 11/14/2012 8:48:16 AM PST by kabar
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