Posted on 11/14/2012 3:52:19 PM PST by greyfoxx39
BTW, it appears that JimRob has reopened that thread where SF4dubya was acting as a troll, so much so that he even singled out her behavior when he locked the thread.
Maybe it’s open season on CINO trolls.
To: sf4dubya; All
From: Jim Robinson
I think it’s about time for us all to move on. .... This whinefest should end now. If you cannot live with the way I run this forum, please consider just moving on.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2917406/posts?page=5191#5191
Christ made the so called OLD Testament one and the same as the so called New Testament. Paul did describe the varying degrees of understanding by Christians.
This thread is filled with a famine of the words of the LORD: I have seen Saul Alinsky techniques of ridicule in full display. Harry Reid is all I need to know about what is acceptable in Mormon circles. And Romney belly aching like a liberal about those Santa voters demonstrates just how far out of reality he literally is. People are not capital, and that is how Romney views voters.
Why is it the common expectation that Christians are told they should always turn the other cheek. Some of us know that is only required when we might inflame the unlearned, other wise Christians have complete authority to give up no ground.
Hey you are the one raising cain not me. God told Ezekiel 3 that Ezekiel was a watchman unto the house of Israel: (This would have been after the civil war, wherein the nation of Israel was split into two houses, house of Israel and the house of Judah.) Ezekiel 3:17 "Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word of My mouth, and give them warning from ME.
18 When I say unto the wicked, 'Thou shalt surely die;' and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
I am Christian, and I believe with my whole heart that what God instructed Ezekiel to do and say is still required.
Based upon your own words, there is no way you would find the beauty in Ezekiel's writing, else you would be focused in the warning to the wicked instead of ridiculing those you consider bigots.
Oh and for the record I do also believe that every individual has the God given right to believe whatever they choose to believe, rightly or wrongly. Judgment is preserved for and by Him.
I see you’re back as well, trolling against conservatism. That thread where you got caught in several outright lies has now been unlocked.
Exposing Mormonism's serious flaws may mean nothing to you, so appear only as "bigotry", to you. Your own judgements towards religions other than your own --- what are they? Don't kumbaya me now concerning such. I've seen you in action, once you let your hair down.
What a strawman argument, in the form of a fake question! What's with you and "boy" with the phoney questions? His was answered, yours has been addressed on this forum dozen of times (a couple dozen times I've seen with MY OWN EYES) as applied to the recent presidential election, if that is what you are implying.
So tell me true, who is being excluded, primarily, first & foremost for their religious belief?
Kieth Ellison maybe? In his case his "faith" translates much into Islamism which is known as a blend of Islamic supremacy blended with political force -- which just happen to not align well with this nation's founding documents, and long term interests once so blended.
Religious freedom is one thing. Surrender without a fight, is quite another. Then again, it can and does depend much upon the political ramifications of which particular religions are allowed to operate unrestrained. National Socialism became a State belief system, and we see how that worked out. As something of a bad hangover, Baathism is said to be a blend of Arab Nationalism, and Fascism (control). That might do for some in majority Muslim populated nations, somewhat...but it depends upon who exactly is in control, and if they don't like somebody -- woops ---disappeared.
If we are to not recognize, from one side of the fence, the ramifications of a persons religious views (which greatly inform their own world view by definition) then why must we sit silently when those of Christian faith are characterized as wishing to establish a theocracy, as is so often and widely charged (but proven a false charge even by the political history of the United States itself!) by those antagonistic towards Christianity, itself?
Once you figure out how we can proceed without giving up our values, then please feel free to explain it. In the meantime, please re-think your questions, for otherwise, trying to figure out how to correct the perceived problem, is like trying to tune a few instruments playing in an orchestra, once the musical score has begun.
Aren’t you doing your happy dance that Obama won? I mean, we can survive four years, if not more, of Obama.
***Standard anti-conservative troll line. I voted against Obama. I tried to help JimRob preserve his principles and his brand. But you were a compromising CINO back a few months ago, and you’re a CINO troll now.
Do you, or are you still dreaming of trying to convert Jews?
***I love jews. God commands us to convert them. I attempted to convert you, out of obedience. You have enough information about Jesus’s historical claim to be God Himself that you can process it for yourself. I noticed in my interactions with you on that thread and a couple of others, that you are a very dishonest person. At the time I noted that this could cost your soul, and you took great offense to that. Perhaps that’s a good thing, because it’s your soul crying out to live rather than to spend eternity away from God when you were given the chance.
Yes, I knew that would throw you off track. But we were not discussing what your particular belief was or is, but what particular Christian belief is, in regards to a certain question asked --- whether he was damned or not --- under Christian belief system. You claimed to know all about Christianity. I maintained you didn't, due to your statement regarding the three verses referenced, being "not an answer". It's funny how after many posts, "boy" finally admitted is was an answer, but in his words, not the answer. And he says I crack him up. Go figure...
Believe what you want. I have no real problem with Jewish belief, or Jews themselves actually, particularly in regards to their religion. But my, my, my, now we see what's really eating at you, don't we?
You have failed to actually address a single thing I have said to you, but rather reacted out of defensive emotion. It is quite telling. If you only could hear yourself talk!
Shove you out? Where did I do that? Citation please...
I had rather forgotten about that, as you say "lame attempt at conversion", there were some choice words there perhaps, but if you look carefully, the places I did specify more that you tore into Christians in general, were on certain Jewish promotional (or explanatory?) threads.
Then I made mention of the teaching (which I remember as being excellent ---even as I cannot recall whatsoever it was specifically about). You know, the one I mentioned could be traded word-for-word? You didn't tear into Christians there. Just said, oh look at how beautiful Torah was, while making mention of how ignorant Christians were of it. That may be true to an extent, but at about the same or less percentage of the average American Jew today, I'd wager. And like I said, it was a modern Christian teaching also which those whom are blessed with good teachers, dine upon also.
No. not at all. In fact, I'm rather underwhelmed. But that you would mis-characterize my own words to that extent, doesn't give me much hope here for being able to reach an understanding. it's a real pain to ahve to be keep re-adjusting things, when my own word become the topic of discussion -- but are distorted. It becomes tedious quickly.
Preach it sistah! You go girl!
Whoaa! stop that bus right there. Complete BS against Mormonism? Produced from Mormon archives, Mormon theological works, etc., is "complete BS"? Why? Because you believe Christianity is complete BS, too? Just admit it. That's tied in with your reasons.
And just what is this mention of Hindus? Who's said anything about them? I see nothing much negative other than convenience store/motel comments in the mainstream, and less in our quiet, peaceable little discussion forum here. <8^)
Methinks you a bit on the touchy side due to being part of a religious minority yourself. But one of which has flourished as a people in this nation, overall. In the bad old days (if there was much of those for Jews here) most of their suffering of anti-semitism, here in the U.S. was having to hear some negative and at times hateful Jibba-Jabba. There were exceptions to this, deadly ones even...but nowadays, across the nation, and particularly on FR too, one cannot utter even justified criticism, if or while also adding the mere word "Jew" to the statement, without causing massive reaction resulting in total censorship, with pariah hood place upon the offender.
If you are wishing to extend this same sort of protection to all...nope. It won't help so I won't help.
Religious views have political ramifications, or at least can. Other than Islam, of course. That happy fambly' can be the real bomb. not that that makes all American Muslims that way, but still, the religion itself is the driving force when it goes BOOM.
What of present day context -- that shows without doubt they still preach much of what is highlighted here (in times in colored font!), does that count for context??? It would seem to, since the very lack of modern context for some of the more marginal statements of Luther, one can find little to no real support of, in say, Lutheranism today. Well, except from looking at it from a Roman Catholic perspective, perhaps, and that's depending on what is said, for at times some Catholics quote him for effect.
What's interesting here is a another question. Which is "moronic"? Nominating Romney, bringing him along as the face of the Party, or the GOP trying to throw the religious right and the TEA Party folks, both under the bus?
The Mormons I'm afraid, will just have to ride along with us, if they want a conservative outcome. They can go through the same sort of pain many of us went through here when the R.Party pushed RINO Romney (Obama lite). Give the people a choice between a liberal, and a wanna-be, and this time around, they chose the real liberal.
said as she wiped her lips, coming from chowing down on others herself.
Tell you what. There could be some change of tone or tenor. Yet in the acrimonious environment that this forum can frequently be, must those seeking change in that way, be forced to endure ceaseless attacks themselves? It seems like you and others want the luxury of driving both ways on a one-way street, while certain others should get ticketed if they turn around and go with the flow of traffic to return fire on those pulling drive-bys on them.
So lead on. State your case peaceably. Do not unfairly malign others. Endure all hardship. Be the example, not part of the problem if you can.
If any of those others are going to post on this conservative website and berate conservatives for compromising their conservative principles, then yes, they are all CINOs. Do any of them do that? No. Do you? Yes. That makes you a CINO.
I roll my eyes again at you who thinks all that reject Christ as the messiah are a bunch of liars.
***No, as usual you got it wrong. I think YOU are a liar. Based upon my dealings with you.
There is a reason why most Christian faiths gave up on converting the Jews, and instead focus on complete non-believers, which is really your best bet.
***Jews for Jesus seems to be doing pretty good. The reason why I gave up on you was because of your dishonesty. I said so right on the thread. It is your inability to process things on an honest and honorable level is what prevents you from having a real relationship with God, and it poisons the discourse you have with others on this website.
More people recognizing Hashem is a good thing, silly.
***Based on your lack of honesty, if this is your way of recognizing God, then you are the silly one; you are a fool.
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