A Mormon Reporter On The Romney Bus

Buzzfeed ^ | Novermber 14, 2012 | McKay Coppins

[BlueDragon]

Pretty big assumption there, as I said pretty plainly that as commanded by G-d, I must respect all religions of Gentiles. You seem to keep forgetting that one itty bitty thing.

Actually you told me there was a commandment. But at the time failed to state what that commandment was, or were less than clear. I was left wondering what the commandment was. Speaking of itty butty things forgotten. :)
reviewing the thread, I see you told another what the commandment was. I skipped over it previously, for it was not addressed to me, and I was quite busy playing defense with your own numerous & wild accusations.

But of course, the rules I have to live under are different than yours.

Yes I know. Mine are more demanding in ways, but not according to the flesh. Ritual observance, prohibitions on food, etc., much more lenient. But just try and conform oneself into the image and likeness of Christ. that's the challenge, yet I can have bacon even though He himself ran them off a cliff, hehheh...

You made an accusation that I abhor Christianity.

Commanded by God not to is one thing. Actually following directions can be another. I speak from experience. One can tell stories, but the proof is in the putting.

So when I read this anti-Mormon tripe on a supposedly conservative forum, it signals all we gained into a pile of manure. We spent countless hours convincing Jews to abandon the Democrat party, and told them the conservative movement welcomes them. Apparently, that isn’t true?

Speaking of "manure" what does some Christians pointing out the insanity of Joseph Smith's invented religion have to do American Jews? They think we'll attack them (highly doubtful) or is the worry more concerning attempts to convert them? Now that I could understand. I don't care much for Christians trying to convert me either. And I'm a Christian. Yet I never attempted to convert YOU. Never much considered it.

As for the rest, you may not wish to know my "opinion" concerning you. Too complicated. But I've been giving that in small ways directly all along. You may prove me wrong when I err (if you can) but for some things, I know quite well what I do see (limited as that vision is) and would only be dissuaded by proof of example to the contrary.

Again, this is not in the Religion forum. This is News/Activism.

So what is all of THAt about? Are you teeing off "boys" twisted exchange with me concerning such? Following that jerk's lead? It appeared so to me. As if you showed up, saw a small part of the exchange I was having with the guy, bought his jackass version of it, then when he started to sputter, jumped in encouraging the guy, while launching wild (fear based) attacks yourself. Whatever, dearie.

meanwhile, regardless of what I say, writing carefully, citing your own comments, I get this flood of wild info, which fairly well BURIES that which you do say that holds merit!
Should I just skim through and look for things I might agree upon, from now on? Can I do that, and have you realize that if I do not comment on some portion, it's because those parts are so bad, and it takes so long to take them apart and examine them in detail, sorting chaff from wheat, while also needing to keep myself from being misquoted or more precisely -- have my own statements mis-characterized by you, (which seems your specialty) that it's not worth the trouble?

Then we might get somewhere, and I could have time to focus on items which may hold promise.

[Kevmo]

Yup,
***Yup to what? Are you acknowledging that the reason why you tried to shut down that thread was because the gospel was preached to you?

and in the religion forum when a rabbinical student linked a video explaining why observant Jews don’t believe Jesus was the messiah, you suddenly went very quiet.
***I responded to any posts to me. If something needs to be said and it’s said by someone else, there’s no need for me to chime in just to say, yeah what he said. Especially on a religious forum.

Then you opus’d out when the site supported Romney, while I never did. So who is the CINO?
***You’re misusing the whole idea of opus’ing out. About par for the course in dealing with you, you constantly misuse terms. A Freeper who opuses says they ain’t coming back. I never did that. I posted that I was going to vomit. It takes a long time to vomit when dealing with CINOs — folks like you, for instance. And again we see your misuse of a term, as if someone who leaves others to their own bile when they’re wrong (did Romney win? Huh?) is a CINO. It was your own CINO brotherhood who asked me to focus on defeating Obama rather than causing discord among them, now that JimRob had endorsed a “lying, baby-killing, gun-grabbing statist”. So I left you CINOs alone for the sake of peace. You wouldn’t understand that.

Messianic Jews are not observant Jews,
***Take that up with them, on the religion forums.

and that is who you were referring to. They can come back to Judaism without conversion.
***Again, take that up with them, on the religion forums. You seem to have a high emotional stake in this position.

So I do want to thank you for all your trolling posts;
***I would say likewise, but your posts are not worth the thanking. You’re just a simple CINO troll. CINOs are the problem in the GOP today. You are part of the problem.

it brought me to see how much counter missionary work Jews must do, and I have since reached out to some Jewish organizations to find out how we can expand efforts into these areas.
***Well, that is a good thing, and it is almost precisely what I posted to you that jews should be doing, if they honestly believe they are right.

Your ethuggery pushed someone into a new direction!
***There is a reason behind everything. What is the reason behind your own ethuggery and lying?

[Kevmo]

You equate being non-Christian with being a CINO.
***Bowlsheet. I equate anti-conservative actions with being a CINO. Example of anti-conservative actions are things such as berating other conservatives on a conservative website who won’t compromise their conservative principles to vote for what the conservative owner of the website called a “lying, baby-killing, gun-grabbing statist”.

You’re a laugh per minute.
***You ain’t. Just here you use illegitimate and straw argumentation. The reason you do so is to sow discord among conservatives. That ain’t conservative.

How much did you do to get rid of DiFi? Why didn’t the conservative GOP candidate win that election? Do you even know who it was?
***Off track, yet another dishonest tactic. If you think Huffington is an example of a good, conservative candidate then you’re really off your rocker. I lived in Huffington’s district. The guy was a know-nuthin, do-nuthin elitist Log Cabin republican who came out of the closet after losing the election. He displaced a good conservative in the Santa Barbara district and that seat has belonged to the democrats ever since. RINOs do more damage to conservatism than democrats do.

[Kevmo]

have my own statements mis-characterized by you, (which seems your specialty) that it’s not worth the trouble?
***Yup, that does seem to be her specialty. Standard trolling 101 behavior.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2165967/posts

[Elsie]

It may actually be the fact that Mitt doesn’t really take it all that deeply to heart in spite of having a nominally high post in the organization, that is to credit that he is as sane as he is.

I've been pointing out for a VERY long time that IMAGE that they (eGOP and MORMONs both) wanted to paint of Mitt did NOT align with the teachings of the church.

If he was a devote MORMON, he should have NEVER have held some political postitions that he has in the past.

Wanna be a devoted MORMON? Then GO for it!

Ya wanna be a staunch Conservative?

Then DO it. Mitt's RECORD showed that he was neither.

Yet; I have gotten TONS of flack from 'true' conservatives trying to blame ME for Barak winning!

Go figger...

[Elsie]

Some can quote ‘em; and some can’t.

[Elsie]

...I know the majority of them do not think I despise Christianity, Christians, Catholcs, etc. because of my religious beliefs.

Ok then; just why DO you despise them?

[BlueDragon]

Do you read what you write, seriously? Jews don’t recruit, and to label threads as promotional is plain ignorant.

You object to the term. Promote and proselytize are tow different words, with different meanings. For lack of a better word or term I used "promote" but I also used explanatory. Perhaps try reading more carefully, and try to consider what it is I'm trying to say? And if you're going to bitch about my words, do the courtesy of citing them in your comment, such as I do yours.

And quite frankly, this is not a good place for Jews to discuss Judaism itself. It is a good place to discuss conservatism and the reasons why Jews, Mormons, Hindus, Baptists, etc. belong in the conservative movement.

No argument here to the above.

If you want to feed the stereotype, then keep on trucking with the anti-whatever religion it is this month posts.

Feed the stereotype? Why, the secular folks have you on the run, don't they? Ah, but who's fears are you really expressing here? Much of them truly are yours. Send others, or that which you most frequently heard discussed in your recent political activism, by freepmail if you wish to avoid open airing of that. I would like to know or have a sampling of what one Jew tells another, when outsiders are not listening. Perhaps I could better alleviate their fears, for some of it. Even though I wasn't born with the built-in secret decoder ring.

Now as far as the "anti-whatever religion it is of the month" business. you are quite full of crap. We don't "move on to the next target". It's more like we keep arguing much of the same info, traveling over the same ground, time and time again. For moving targets, check the threads which are not focused on religious topics.

The fact that a candidate for President had to downplay his own faith in order to pander to his party’s base is abhorrent

Perhaps. But it's not my problem that Mormonism is embarrassing. I voted for Mitt even though I said on this forum I wouldn't. Saying I wouldn't because my vote wouldn't matter in the presidential, this time around, due to where I live. I was correct, in spades. Now the rest of your paragraph I've snipped from [above] has some real information. Some opinion, but not that which should be ignored. But you are wearing me out with the extraneous exaggerations I've been addressing.

We collectively failed to stop Obama and Reid. So let’s keep continuing what we did before and trash other’s religions, fighting among ourselves, blaming everyone but ourselves, call each other RINOs or whatever... All while the Marxists in control proceed to destroy everything we hold dear.

You are among a vanishingly small minority of analysts which feature so prominently "religion" linking it subtly with infighting, as a major cause of the candidate few were much enthused about in the first place, regardless of religion. Although he did present himself better towards the end.

So vanishingly small, that other than on these pages, when it's coupled with other complaint concerning direct, at times harsh criticism of religious tenets of one religion, by adherents of others, I've scarcely heard mention.

Fantastic strategy. Let me know when conservatives wake up and realize we need to push actual conservatism and not this divisive tripe.

1st Amendment. Freedom of the press, prohibition against the free exercise of religion. Including both, first each separately, then the two combined, is that which you seek to have surrendered. Don't ask for much, do you?

[Elsie]

Because we have to respect all religions of Gentiles. That is Hashem’s commandment.

Show me HAVE TO!

[Elsie]

You seriously just quoted the NY Times to me in an argument.

And you so cavalierly dismiss the CONTENT and bitch about the package it was delivered in!

[Elsie]

The only thing I despise is religious bigotry in the conservative movement.

Well; tell the pushy MORMONs about IT!

[BlueDragon]

"Ok then; ..."

That's something I noticed about you. Don't waste time in getting to a point.

[Elsie]

We’re so busy damning one another over differences in faith rather than identifying ourselves as people of various faith.

you HAVE to be KIDDING!!

ALL you seem to care about is that they are 'people of faith'?

Don't you care just what their faith is IN???

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That’s the Judeo Christian in Judeo-Christian.

[Elsie]

You know, I could have simply disengaged from this argument, but there are plenty of Jews that were convinced the conservative movement and Republicans would reject them.

So; they flock to the dark side because it has cookies?

Pathetic!

At least you HAVE SOME FIGHT IN YOU!

[Elsie]

But you seriously need to stop viewing the existence of other religions as an attack on yours.

Spread the beauty and love in your religion without knocking down the faith of others.

Darned good idea!

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HEY there MORMONs!!!

A Jew has some advice for you!

[Elsie]

Kev; DEFEND your self against this!!

Enjoy paying the triple vehicle registration taxes as well.

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Looks like SOMEONE is mighty worried about their WALLET!

[Elsie]

The more you try to shove us out of the conservative movement because we ain’t Christian, the more we’re going to remind you why we’re still here.

Sigh...

You'll need a LOT more straw if this guy is gonna fly!

If being around folks who will actually TELL you what they have faith in and WHY they have that faith, and how YOU can have that faith; turns you off SO badly that you'll LEAVE conservatism; then it tells ME that your 'faith' isn't all that great.