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Republicans say they will not back down (Boehner hangs tough)
the hill ^ | 11/14/2012 | By Russell Berman

Posted on 11/14/2012 8:34:52 PM PST by tobyhill

Congressional leaders took a hard line on taxes ahead of a meeting Friday at the White House, with rank-and-file Republicans expressing opposition to a “fiscal cliff” deal that would bring in more revenue to the government.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has said Republicans could accept new revenues, but not tax-rate hikes, as part of a broad deficit deal, but President Obama and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said it was unlikely that eliminating loopholes and capping deductions could raise enough revenue to gain their support.

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1 posted on 11/14/2012 8:34:57 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
Let's get Pelosi to tell him to step down.

He'll roll over and die then.
2 posted on 11/14/2012 8:37:25 PM PST by Tzimisce (Will there be anything to fight for in 2016?)
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To: tobyhill

Maybe they should just save us the drama and eventual humiliation when they cave in two months, and just cave in now and get it over with.


3 posted on 11/14/2012 8:37:38 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: tobyhill

Utter BS.

Its like when your local government claims they will keep property tax rates from going up...but then increase assessments so you wind up with a tax increase while they can claim they held rates in check.


4 posted on 11/14/2012 8:38:08 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: tobyhill

Boner hangs tough until Barry rubs some man-tan on him.


5 posted on 11/14/2012 8:43:39 PM PST by PGalt
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To: tobyhill

President Obama and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said it was unlikely that eliminating loopholes and capping deductions could raise enough revenue to gain their support.

This just tells us they are ONLY interested in THEIR
solution, not solving the problem.


6 posted on 11/14/2012 8:43:44 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tobyhill

“...but President Obama and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said it was unlikely that eliminating loopholes and capping deductions could raise enough revenue to gain their support”

This is complete and utter horsecrap! They aren’t interested in raising revenue! They want to raise taxes just to PUNISH people! The Dem party’s whole tax philosophy is “Let’s Get ‘Em!” It’s torches and pitchforks!


7 posted on 11/14/2012 8:43:52 PM PST by Castigar
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To: tobyhill

“Republicans say they will not back down”

Translation:
The Republicans will back down.


8 posted on 11/14/2012 8:46:48 PM PST by oldbill
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To: tobyhill

What bunch of crap. Bonehead doesn’t know what the word tough means.


9 posted on 11/14/2012 8:48:09 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Arthurio

Crybaby will act like he is holding out until the GOPe gets some little crumb they want and then it will be business as usual. Meaning, screw Americans.


10 posted on 11/14/2012 8:50:25 PM PST by Gasshog
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To: Arthurio

I think the Republicans should cave and let the Democrats choke on the results over the next year.


11 posted on 11/14/2012 8:53:12 PM PST by The Duke
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To: icwhatudo
That is true but if Obama accepts anything less than the rate increase he loses.
12 posted on 11/14/2012 8:53:42 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tennmountainman
We'll see? We have nothing more to lose so it's possible that Boehner has wised up and will get tough. Every time he goes into negotiation he gets screwed so maybe he's tired of it.
13 posted on 11/14/2012 8:58:09 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Of all the issues facing the country, I don’t understand why Republicans are drawing the line on tax increases. They would pass amnesty in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it, and they have no apparent desire to stand firm on any of the social issues. Yet, they’re ready to fall on their swords to stop tax increases. Why is the Republican Party spineless on everything but taxes, especially when they can’t or won’t reform government spending in any significant way and cave on the debt limit?


14 posted on 11/14/2012 8:59:52 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: tobyhill

These people are impossible to please. Boehner does the wrong thing, and they crucify him. He doe the right thing, and they react the same. I would never predict that Boehner will ultimately be heroic, but as long as he’s hanging tough, we need to support that. People do wise up and improve sometimes.

Except some freepers of course. They were apparenlty always perfect.


15 posted on 11/14/2012 9:01:20 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: CitizenUSA

Because the party is run by the Rockefeller/Romney wing who agree with the Democrats on social and cultural issues. They’re the same liberals but they’re run by a different set of wealthy donors who insist they keep taxes low.


16 posted on 11/14/2012 9:07:20 PM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: tobyhill

It seems no one has much faith in him. Anyone want to make a prediction on the date that he finally caves in?


17 posted on 11/14/2012 9:09:36 PM PST by MNDude
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To: MNDude
You know I would never take that bet. I will just enjoy the moment.
18 posted on 11/14/2012 9:13:15 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: CitizenUSA

if nothing is done taxes will be going up on everyone who pays them on Jan 1.


19 posted on 11/14/2012 9:13:59 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Right now he’s hanging tough but I understand the probability that he eventually caves.


20 posted on 11/14/2012 9:14:51 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
I will just enjoy the moment.

You will enjoy the moment when Boehner caves.

And you call Boehner a traitor to the cause?

21 posted on 11/14/2012 9:16:02 PM PST by what's up
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To: tobyhill

Surely Republicans can find someone far better than the sissy Boehner, his guy killed the tea party enthusiasm of 2010 with his guless leadership.


22 posted on 11/14/2012 9:16:08 PM PST by GregH
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To: GeronL
Good! Yes, we will all pay the price but I hope it teaches the idiots who voted Obama that he doesn't care about them, it's always about himself.
23 posted on 11/14/2012 9:17:28 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: what's up

Sure, if and when he caves.


24 posted on 11/14/2012 9:18:40 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill; mickie; flaglady47; seenenuf
Sounds to me some of those tough young GOP turks (Tray Gowdy, Jason Chaffetz, etal.) may have jammed a ramrod right down Boehner's gullet in a meeting.

I'd hate to have those guys (who are doing a real number on Obama vis a vis Bengahzi) give ME their steely-eye.....I'd cave in a freeper minute!

Leni

25 posted on 11/14/2012 9:22:30 PM PST by MinuteGal (Tuesday, November 6, 2012.....A Day that will Live in Infamy)
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To: CitizenUSA

I know people in a small midwestern town and they are importing foreigners to work in the factories there. It is VERY cheap labor for the factory owners. But the taxpayer picks up the tab for all the extended family that immediately goes on welfare, drags down the school system, and floods the small hospital ER with uninsured deadbeats who use it for primary care.

Don’t know for sure, but I’m assuming the factory owners are Republicans. At any rate, this is the type of crony capitalism that panders to the rich and the poor and squeezes the middle class. The rich profit. The poor get their freebies. The middle class pays for all of it.

That’s why the Republican Party caves on nearly everything. That, and the fact that they are only interested in preserving their power and good ol’ boy high-paying do-nothing jobs.


26 posted on 11/14/2012 9:23:17 PM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: tobyhill

New revenues = VAT.


27 posted on 11/14/2012 9:23:42 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk
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To: tobyhill

28 posted on 11/14/2012 9:24:14 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: tobyhill
We must never forget that it was Mister* Boehner who traded away 500 billion in precious defense dollars for ... essentially some magic beans (to arrive at a later date, number may vary, may be substituted for beans with little or no magic associated, and may or may not involve actual beans.)

Mister Boehner has absolutely no gift for bargaining, and no sense of the consequences of serious errors. Any casino would just LOVE to see Mister Boehner walk through their door.

*I say "mister" as opposed to "Speaker of the House", because SOH is so far above his abilities.

(Full disclosure, I liked this post fro a previous thread so much that I re-cycled it.)

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29 posted on 11/14/2012 9:25:24 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Seaplaner

fro = from


30 posted on 11/14/2012 9:26:55 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: The Duke

I think Republicans should oppose every single thing the Democrats try to do. Obama will just enact it anyway via executive order.


31 posted on 11/14/2012 9:27:21 PM PST by karnage
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To: JediJones

I think you’re right. The GOP sells out social conservatives every chance they get. For example, you know they’ve wanted an immigration amnesty for years. They’re not even all that fiscally conservative. Standing firm on tax increases while doing absolutely nothing to reform spending or slow the accumulation of debt is NOT fiscal conservatism.


32 posted on 11/14/2012 9:28:12 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: tobyhill
Sure, if and when he caves.

You will enjoy it if Boehner caves.

That tells me all I need to know about your sham patriotism.

33 posted on 11/14/2012 9:37:54 PM PST by what's up
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To: C. Edmund Wright; tobyhill
I would never predict that Boehner will ultimately be heroic, but as long as he’s hanging tough, we need to support that.

That concept would be utterly unknown to tobyhill.

He never refrains from a chance to drum up discontent here on FR.

34 posted on 11/14/2012 9:41:28 PM PST by what's up
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To: icwhatudo
Its like when your local government claims they will keep property tax rates from going up...but then increase assessments so you wind up with a tax increase while they can claim they held rates in check.

Precisely!

35 posted on 11/14/2012 9:43:39 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: tobyhill

Hang tough, Boehner, or we’ll hang ya (not literally)!!


36 posted on 11/14/2012 9:52:18 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: tobyhill

A possible type of response Republicans can make to President regarding raising taxes on the rich:

“We want to do anything and everything possible to solve the problems of this country. Show us how your proposed tax hikes on the rich will really fix our economic problems. If you can do this with real numbers, we will agree. However, we are not here to target one section of the population and simply raise their taxes to get revenge on them or out of envy.


37 posted on 11/14/2012 10:19:45 PM PST by Anima Mundi (Envy is just passive, lazy greed.)
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To: icwhatudo

This was a gimmick Perry used in his re-election campaign. He was going to cut property taxes and even told what the average person would save. The local assessor here in Houston contacted Perry’s people and told them the figures didn’t add up but they kept running with it. All that ended up happening was the appraisals went up.

Had he done better in the primaries you can bet this is one thing that would have come up.


38 posted on 11/14/2012 10:28:09 PM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: tobyhill
This is the only way conservatives can win (marginally). 1. Pass a bill making the Bush tax cuts permanent.
Let the democrats defeat it and blame them for increasing taxes on everyone.
2. Do nothing and let the sequestration cuts take effect.
Sure the military will get cut, but do we really want Obama using it anyway?
3. Refuse to pass any debt ceiling extensions.
Force the government to cut services. Who really gives a crap what services are cut. We don't need any of them.

39 posted on 11/14/2012 10:30:45 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Arthurio

Exactly. I don’t believe these Republican whimps for a second. Boenneeer, or however it is spelled, is correctly spelled “limp-livered whimp.” This gutless guy has to go. But who will take his place? We need a firebrand unafraid to fold over anything. I do not see anyone in the party who qualifies.


40 posted on 11/14/2012 10:32:04 PM PST by Fungi
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To: tobyhill

>> Boehner hangs tough

That doesn’t make any sense.


41 posted on 11/14/2012 10:32:19 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: CitizenUSA

Pubbies are hell bent on raising taxes (eliminating loopholes) which is the same as raising taxes.

Why don’t they just forbid businesses from deducting Cost of Goods Sold (major loophole). Everyone could go broke that way and quick.

Where does it say the government gets to tax everything anyway? I thought we got to pick what is taxed and what is not?


42 posted on 11/14/2012 11:10:12 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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I dunno guys. The way politics works these days...

I wonder if those that say just give the dems what they want and step back and make them own it.

The alternative may be a House revolt, government shut down, we get blamed and lose the house and they get what they want anyway.

I don’t envy Boehner or the House leadership one bit.


43 posted on 11/14/2012 11:55:59 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

“Where does it say the government gets yo tax everything anyway”

It doesn’t. Constitutionally speaking the feds are empowered to collect taxes (left undefined as such), duties, imposts, and excises. Indirect taxes have to be uniform, and direct taxes aside from the income tax are illegal unless apportioned among the states according to population. They are not allowed to tax exports.

That’s about the extent of it.


44 posted on 11/15/2012 2:02:37 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: tobyhill

First the Spending Cuts, then we talk about taxes.


45 posted on 11/15/2012 2:48:41 AM PST by eCSMaster (2012 elections: American Coup d'etat!)
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To: tobyhill

Why do I think Reid and obammy are pitching and Boehner is catching in this little affair?


46 posted on 11/15/2012 3:10:39 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: eCSMaster

Dems are bleating loudly on this because they know they are vulnerable. I agree with the earlier post... Make the Bush tax cuts permanent (make the Dems shoot it down), allow sequestration, and refuse any debt ceiling increase. Play Hard Ball.


47 posted on 11/15/2012 3:18:52 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: tobyhill
House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has said Republicans could accept new revenues, but not tax-rate hikes, as part of a broad deficit deal, but President Obama and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said it was unlikely that eliminating loopholes and capping deductions could raise enough revenue to gain their support.

Boehner always "hangs tough" early in the negotiations, but does he get going when the going gets tough?

48 posted on 11/15/2012 3:30:16 AM PST by olezip
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To: tobyhill

Bohner “hangs” tough. Te-he Te-he.....


49 posted on 11/15/2012 3:31:23 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: tobyhill

WeepyBoner will hang tough??

Now pull the other one.


50 posted on 11/15/2012 3:38:33 AM PST by Flintlock (PARANOIA--means having all the facts.)
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