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Just Before Organ Harvesting, Comatose Patient Recovers
NC Register ^ | November 15, 2012 | STEVE WEATHERBE

Posted on 11/16/2012 2:06:14 PM PST by NYer

AARHUS, Denmark — Carina Melchior is a 20-year-old Danish woman who was plunged in the middle of controversy by two close encounters with death — the first in car crash last year that put her in a coma; the second in a hospital, where doctors persuaded her parents to donate her organs and shut off her life support.

But Carina recovered, and she now is at the center of a storm of questions about the criteria for brain death, over-aggressive transplant agencies and the commodification of the human body.

What might have been played out quietly in an obscure Danish civil-law courtroom became a national cause celebre with the airing early in October of a TV documentary called Pigen Der Ikke Ville Do (The Girl Who Refused to Die) that was viewed by 1.7 million people.

The documentary follows the Melchior family as they learn of the seriousness of Carina’s injuries, are told she cannot recover because her brain is dead, and are asked to donate her organs to people who need them.

Carina’s father, Kim Melchior, asks if there is any chance of “a small miracle anywhere.” None, the medical staff at Aarhus University Hospital reply.

But a few days after being taken off her respirator, while hospital attendants are waiting for her body to shut down, Carina began to move her legs and open her eyes.

The documentary shows her awake and expressing confidence in her ability to recover, get her own apartment, begin work and resume her pastime of horse jumping.

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The hospital administration reacted with a mixture of embarrassment at their mistake and pleasure at the girl’s recovery.

“We are overjoyed that the young woman has survived and that she is moving on after the accident,” said chief medical officer Claus Thomsen.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: donors; medicine; moralabsolutes; organs

Carina Melchior
1 posted on 11/16/2012 2:06:23 PM PST by NYer
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah
Dr. Sven Frederick Østerhus of the Danish pro-life group Laeger Mod Abort (Doctors Against Abortion) told the Register that because “all health care is covered completely by the national health services, so [that] neither the donor, the recipient nor the doctors involved have any financial conflicts of interest, most Danes — Christian or not — welcome the idea they can save another life through organ donation.”

Ping!

2 posted on 11/16/2012 2:07:43 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

Prayerss up for a complete recovery.


3 posted on 11/16/2012 2:08:14 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: NYer
"Hey! Put that back!"

/johnny

4 posted on 11/16/2012 2:09:44 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: NYer

I am surprised they didn’t go to court and demand her organs anyway.


5 posted on 11/16/2012 2:10:26 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: NYer; Morgana

yep.

A few days ago someone posted that 1/5th of those said to be “vegetables” recover... wow... how many never had the chance to recover?


6 posted on 11/16/2012 2:11:56 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: NYer
The hospital administration reacted with a mixture of embarrassment at their mistake and pleasure at the girl’s recovery.

That must have been quite a sight to see.

7 posted on 11/16/2012 2:12:26 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: AFPhys

Here’s another, purportedly “brain dead”, comatose victim, with a much better outcome.


8 posted on 11/16/2012 2:14:01 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: GeronL

I guess it would depend on your definition of “recover.”


9 posted on 11/16/2012 2:14:46 PM PST by Chickensoup
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To: NYer

I heard Jimmy Akin on Catholic Answers say that that it’s looking like “brain death” was invented to make organ harvesting possible.


10 posted on 11/16/2012 2:15:38 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: GeronL

I guess it would depend on your definition of “recover.”

It is like survival rates with esoteric cancers. I have watched more than one mother’s child become a science experiment for the research center. Survival just means breathing.


11 posted on 11/16/2012 2:16:28 PM PST by Chickensoup
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To: NYer
As I recall, Denmark does not have the death penalty for serial murderers, child murderers, or murders of any kind.

They reserve it for their victims.

12 posted on 11/16/2012 2:21:34 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: NYer

I think the standard of “brain death” is deeply flawed, because it is known that when injured, the body secretes a large amount of a normally occurring chemical called GABA, that is *supposed* to shut down the injured part of the brain so that it can heal.

But when some people get a big release of GABA, it sensitizes all of their brain to the chemical, so it will stay shut down even with normal levels, and if there is no damage.

A sensitivity to GABA is now known to be responsible for many cases of “persistent coma”.

But far too little is known about brain trauma and awareness to assume that just because a brain isn’t currently working like a normal brain, it is “dead”.

I may just be “sleeping”.


13 posted on 11/16/2012 2:22:27 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: NYer

Someone should book her to speak to out lame GOP. Maybe they’d decide to wthu.


14 posted on 11/16/2012 2:25:08 PM PST by Track9
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To: NYer

Good opportunity to remind people that they cannot harvest organs from the dead, only from the living. Which is why they invented the nebulous notion of “brain death”, so they could convince families to let them butcher their still-living loved ones and parcel out their organs for profit.


15 posted on 11/16/2012 2:30:29 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: GeronL

Well, that’s why they want to pull the plug so fast. The doctors really don’t want to give them a chance to recover, it would be bad for business.


16 posted on 11/16/2012 2:39:46 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: GeronL

Interesting how when some are removed from life support, they recover. Perhaps the body healed itself but was letting the machines continue to do the work. It may be that when taken off the machines, the body is forced to work on it’s own. Could also be that the patients hear and process the discussion of killing them which makes them fight to come back.


17 posted on 11/16/2012 2:43:38 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: bgill

I remember a theory about the temperature of the ar they breathe from life support machines might be keeping them in a coma longer.


18 posted on 11/16/2012 2:46:40 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Boogieman

bump


19 posted on 11/16/2012 2:47:49 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JRandomFreeper

"Ohhhhh.. what are you doing? Were you pulling the plug on me!"

20 posted on 11/16/2012 2:50:49 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: NYer

Father Pacholczyk is wrong. The Catholic Church does NOT support harvesting organs in the case of “brain death.” Because anyone who really looks at it must admit that someone in that condition is not really dead.

The problem is that you can’t really harvest the organs very well after someone is really dead. They start to decay and go bad pretty quickly. So, they needed some sort of plausible sounding excuse for harvesting them while the victim is still living.

Being an organ donor sounds very generous on its surface, but it’s extremely dubious. And if you register as an organ donor, then you are subjecting yourself to a possible early death, because the doctors are more interested in your organs than your recovery.

It’s not just a religious matter, it’s also a scientific matter. Brain death is NOT real death. Maybe the patient will recover, maybe not. But he is not yet dead. Its just another piece of liberal duckspeak, twisting words for convenience, so you can do what you want to do and to hell with the facts or the moral rules.


21 posted on 11/16/2012 2:55:35 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NYer

Doctor wanted to let my relative pass. He communicates and recognizes people now. This since the summer months. He is 30.


22 posted on 11/16/2012 2:56:28 PM PST by Texas Gal
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To: NYer
The documentary shows her awake and expressing confidence in her ability to recover, get her own apartment, begin work and resume her pastime of horse jumping.

Why do I think of

HAL: I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission.
The above quote from the article makes it sound like there was some question as to whether or not she should be allowed to recover.
"I feel much better now. I am sure I'll be back to normal soon."
"Well, I don't know ..."
"No, realli. Look, I can jump horses."
"I'm not sure that is really a sufficent reason we ..."
"But I'll get my own apartment. I'll work hard. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease, let me live."
OK, we'll try it for a few weeks and see if you will be allowed to go on." [muttering: but we were really counting on having your liver]

23 posted on 11/16/2012 2:58:53 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Our president ... makes big speeches packed full of little ideas" Charles C. W. Cooke)
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To: NYer

Back in the Middle Ages, this would happen and people would be buried alive. Later it was discovered that the inside of the casket would be damaged due to the person trying to escape and a string was put in the caskets linked to a bell on the top of the grave... hence the term “dead ringer”....


24 posted on 11/16/2012 3:03:37 PM PST by Sleeping Freeper
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To: dfwgator
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd take it pretty personally, if someone was trying to harvest my organs before I was dead. It might just bring out the red-headed Texan in me.

/johnny

25 posted on 11/16/2012 3:10:35 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs

Bring Out Your Dead!


26 posted on 11/16/2012 3:22:14 PM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Texas Gal

We went through something similar this last weekend with a friend of the family (3 yrs old). Went in for an arm x ray, and got admitted for a large abdominal mass.

They put a tube in to drain the swelling, but he went downhill quickly and was unable to communicate. His white blood cell count shot up (infection) and his remaining kidney shut down.

They pushed pretty hard for hospice, saying that the mass was almost certainly highly fatal advanced pancreatic cancer, and dialysis, if started, would be continuous for the rest of his life, and unlikely to work long, if at all.

The family opted for dialysis, and the nephrologist was visibly pissed off. Well, it turns out that the big problem was an infection induced when they put the initial tube in. Once antibiotics cleared that up, the kidney restarted.


27 posted on 11/16/2012 3:51:20 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: All

A certain Monty Python skit comes to mind.


28 posted on 11/16/2012 4:04:25 PM PST by Kolath
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To: Chickensoup
I guess it would depend on your definition of “recover.”

The 'definition' is only relevant to those who argue that the right to life is other than God given, absolute, and inalienable.

29 posted on 11/17/2012 12:24:31 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: GeronL
A few days ago someone posted that 1/5th of those said to be “vegetables” recover... wow... how many never had the chance to recover?

Every single one of the other four fifths whose organs are harvested -- some of those internal thingees are necessary for recovery.

30 posted on 11/17/2012 12:44:32 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: NYer

Wow. Thanks for posting this.


31 posted on 11/17/2012 12:57:59 AM PST by MarMema (eh.)
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To: NYer

“I’m still using it!”


32 posted on 11/17/2012 5:47:23 AM PST by Yaelle
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VULTURES! At least real vultures wait until the carrion is actually dead. This is why I am 100% against ever donating any organs. My DL says NO!!!

33 posted on 11/17/2012 4:12:24 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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VULTURES! At least real vultures wait until the carrion is actually dead. This is why I am 100% against ever donating any organs. My DL says NO!!!

34 posted on 11/17/2012 4:12:54 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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Thank God. That’s why I opt out of donor programs, I don’t want them to take my organs and croak me.


35 posted on 11/17/2012 4:53:55 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Obama voters have cooties.)
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To: little jeremiah
The hospital administration reacted with a mixture of embarrassment at their mistake and pleasure at the girl’s recovery.

“We are overjoyed that the young woman has survived and that she is moving on after the accident,” said chief medical officer Claus Thomsen.

And just what else were they going to say after nearly about cannibalizing her? *Too bad she survived. We lost so much money on her.*?

The medical community needs to get over its God complex.

They are not the final word on anything.

36 posted on 11/17/2012 6:49:52 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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I heard Jimmy Akin on Catholic Answers say that that it’s looking like “brain death” was invented to make organ harvesting possible.

That would not surprise me in the least.

37 posted on 11/17/2012 6:51:34 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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