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To: yldstrk

So, are you now joining the Leftist chorus of “no-spanking” bans and liberal feel goodism?


10 posted on 11/17/2012 12:38:38 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

wow, dim wit that was quite a leap.

No, what I was saying is that dobson has no credibility because he is a dipsh8 psychologist. I do not ascribe to his clap trap and I do not ascribe to “Dr” Spock’s either. However, I would never dream of beating a kid or a dog with a belt. I have walloped my kids on the butt occasionally, very rarely, but I wasn’t proud of it. Still, totally beside the point, DOBSON HAS NO CREDIBILITY AS A CONSERVATIVE ANYTHING


15 posted on 11/17/2012 12:42:45 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk; fwdude; Barnacle; Pelham; John Leland 1789; RitaOK

I went to the liberal site you linked to, which, consistent with its opposition to Dobson and spanking, is “In Solidarity With Nontheists.” And while i like both dogs and kids and would never abuse either, and am reluctant to spank, and agree they need love and patience, yet i agree that when it comes to defiance, then spanking, and showing that there are more consequences to such than simply privations like grounding, are usually ultimately necessary.

And i agree that,

“By learning to yield to the loving authority… of his parents, a child learns to submit to other forms of authority which will confront him later in his life—his teachers, school principal, police, neighbors and employers.”

And spanking is Biblical, rightly done, regardless of the modern experimentation. But as Dobson has helped to explain, kids have different temperaments and not all need the same degree of discipline.

I was a strong-willed kid, and dad did spank me sometimes, not out of irritation or as a man with a temper, but out of principal, and i am the better because, not despite of it. (I could have used more affirmation, which Dobson emphasizes, but that was not part of my parent’s culture).

And i listed to Dobson for years, and saw him as a man of compassion with principles, who did indeed focus on the family, and wept at what hurt them. But he was also a man with some steel behind his tears, and who contended against pornographers and liberal establishment, and alerted and mobilized us to action. Focus on the Family is now mainly just a touchly-feely org that overall avoids taking a manifest stand since he left, and i believe they will thus continue to lose $ and supporters.

While not agreeing with all Dobson said or did (including his degree of ecumenicism) we need more Dobson’s, not the liberal ideology which sees spanking, military, sexual morality, etc. as unnecessary, as they imagine man is not prone to sin by nature, and operate out of a victim-entitlement menality.

No doubt the anti-authority site you linked to would oppose this “pro-God, pro-family, pro-liberty” conservative site as well.

And your charging those who affirm spanking as being parent who love to hurt their flesh and blood, and being control freaks, is a liberal or atheistic tactic, and marginalizes your credibility. But perhaps you agree with the angry atheistic screeds against God which charge Him with being the same (and who seem to have an axe to grind with a father who failed to be like God).


52 posted on 11/17/2012 7:08:42 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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