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AFGE to Congress: Oppose Any Cuts to Federal Employee Compensation (tired of sacrifices)
Market Watch ^ | 11/15/12

Posted on 11/18/2012 4:08:28 AM PST by Libloather

AFGE to Congress: Oppose Any Cuts to Federal Employee Compensation
Nov. 15, 2012, 11:54 a.m. EST

WASHINGTON, Nov. 15, 2012 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- The largest federal employee union--the American Federation of Government Employees--is urging Congress to oppose any additional cuts to federal employee compensation during deliberations to address deficit reduction.

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"Federal employees have given up $60 billion (over 10 years) in the unprecedented two-year pay freeze, and the 0.5 percent raise delayed to April 2012 saves an additional $28 billion. That's a total of $88 billion," Moten added. "Adding the $15 billion in savings from the UI bill's 2.3 percent tax increase on post-2012 hires brings the total sacrifice by federal employees so far to $103 billion over 10 years.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afge; cuts; employee; federal
That's a shame.
1 posted on 11/18/2012 4:08:41 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Give ‘em a straw.


2 posted on 11/18/2012 4:15:22 AM PST by gotribe
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To: Libloather

Fire half of the central socialist government’s labor force. Yank out the phones, destroy their desktop comp-uters, sell their desks.

Then sell or destroy the buildings they played in.

Eliminate entire cabinet posts and the government agencies they controlled.

Our Republicrat candidate didn’t even suggest anything remotely like this. The central government must be decimated, otherwise they’ll be no downsizing.


3 posted on 11/18/2012 4:15:43 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Libloather
How about just cutting the Non-Essential personnel (do-nothings), which would reduce the Federal "Workforce" (and I use the term loosely) by about 50%-75%, and eliminating ALL the useless Regulatory Agenceies, which are mere mouthpieces for special interests and The Socialist Agenda?

Circumventing Congress by Regulation, Executive Orders that are no more than Dictator Edicts when Congress won't approve of more wealth-redistributing plans, are costing not only Trillions to Taxpayers, but have resulted in Trillions in Debt to be paid by FUTURE Taxpayers.

Unions should be BANNED from ALL Public Sector jobs, period.

There's no reason (other than money-laundering of Dues to the DNC), that Public Servants should be compensated by anything other than that which ELECTED Officials are permitted to provide them, and they are Elected for that purpose (or will lose Re-Election when they start becoming self-serving, trying to buy favor by handing out exhorbitant compensation and benefits, and/or buying re-election votes from Government Employees with Taxpayer money).

4 posted on 11/18/2012 4:18:56 AM PST by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Libloather

“unprecedented two-year pay freeze”

That is relative prosperity under Obamanomics.


5 posted on 11/18/2012 4:22:13 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Libloather
Fed employees already have a significant compensation over the private sector - I think 1.3x the equivalent position. Plus they have vastly better job security and work rules.

Outlaw public unions, then eliminate every nonessential agency and cut the compensation of the rest.

6 posted on 11/18/2012 4:24:23 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: Libloather
Where's my violin?

Sacrifice? They don't know the meaning of the word. At least they have jobs. So many others don't. If these workers are so unhappy, they should get a job in the private sector (if they could find one). Let's see them live on being paid what they're really worth. Let them have to pay for less-than-Cadillac health care insurance. Let them do without the great benefits or have to pay for them out of their own pockets. They won't survive.

Quicherbichin.

7 posted on 11/18/2012 4:26:25 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: traditional1
Unions should be BANNED from ALL Public Sector jobs, period.

I'm with you. With the way much of the private sector turned on the public sector in the election there is an opportunity to dive a wedge between public and private sector unions.

(defeated)Proposal 2 Power Grab Demands Review of Government Unionism


8 posted on 11/18/2012 4:28:30 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: IbJensen

The federal government employees should never have been allowed to unionize.


9 posted on 11/18/2012 4:30:31 AM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: Libloather

eliminate the Department of Education, Department of Energy, Department of Human Services, and any other unconstitutional agencies and FIRE EVERYONE THAT WORKS FOR THEM!!!!

When that’s done start triming the excess employees in what is left!


10 posted on 11/18/2012 4:39:10 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Libloather

Wow, that’s real money there; go after it.


11 posted on 11/18/2012 4:40:46 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Libloather

Federal salaries must be ‘normalized’ to the private sector when the totality of the compensation packages are included.

see:

Federal workers earning double their private counterparts

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Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade.

Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data are the latest available.

The federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000 to $61,998 last year...

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2010-08-10-1Afedpay10_ST_N.htm


12 posted on 11/18/2012 4:44:34 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Libloather

Let’s face it - 50% of the federal workforce could be eliminated and it wouldn’t make any real difference in anyone’s life other than those losing their meaningless make-work jobs.


13 posted on 11/18/2012 4:52:08 AM PST by circlecity
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To: IbJensen
interesting ~ that's your solution and yet it's obvious you have no idea how many people work for the federal government or what they do.

how about this ~ simply start with Departments of Education, Labor, Commerce, HUD, ...... work your way through their missions and dispose of those that are not beneficial, or not constitutional.

Once you do that, take on Justice.

After you develop an organizational structure filled with people with an eagle eye to waste, fraud and abuse, move into the more traditional departments ~ State, Defense, etc.

I doubt you can get rid of half the federal work force without mothballing half the Carrier fleet, and standing down the Air Force.

14 posted on 11/18/2012 5:23:12 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: circlecity

In Michigan we used to have the DNR (Dept. of Natural Resources). Now we have the DNR and the DEQ (Dept. of Environmental Quality). This is on top of multiple federal agencies doing essentially the same jobs.


15 posted on 11/18/2012 5:24:04 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: theBuckwheat
in the end, once you get into matching jobs ~ e.g. lawyer to lawyer, doctor to doctor, engineer to engineer, the federales come out at or below comparable civilian pay.

If you want to compare store clerks to research scientists, go ahead ~ do it ~ which is why so little has come of these reports.

Remember, journalism is dying away ~ destroyed by the internet. These reporters will say anything just to get you to read their sales ads. no integrity anymore anywhere in the news racket.

16 posted on 11/18/2012 5:26:13 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: dalereed

hmm ~ USDA has more employees than all those departments put together. Why don’t you start with USDA?


17 posted on 11/18/2012 5:27:38 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: theBuckwheat

Federal employees DO NOT earn double their private sector counterparts.

I lost my private sector job in 2002. I got the same job for the Feds, except it’s technically more complex, and just now, ten years later, have I matched my private sector salary.

I get ZERO the perks I got in private sector.

The reason I love my job? The reason I stay? I love serving my country and the veterans.


18 posted on 11/18/2012 5:28:24 AM PST by mom4melody
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To: muawiyah
USDA? What do they grow? And can it be eaten?
19 posted on 11/18/2012 5:31:50 AM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: gotribe

Government bow-wows shake their begging bowls...


20 posted on 11/18/2012 5:32:58 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: pepperdog
There are more of them than farmers ~ they are also the 'food and nutrition service' ~ which has a valid mission. Then there are the food stamp folks.

The big expense with food stamps is in the program funds ~ not the employees. You could run most of that activity from a relatively modest facility with good internet access and a few dozen accountants.

Try USDA first then. I don't care.

Oh, one other thing ~ tell us your objective. Is it to destabilize federal spending programs, get rid of federal employees, save a lot of money, balance the budget........?

Seriously, what is it you hope to accomplish.

21 posted on 11/18/2012 5:44:25 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Libloather
Many of us actually work and earn our money. While we all get grouped into the lazy, overpaid, useless DOD employees when it comes time to demean us, many of us actually serve a purpose at a lower overall cost than boosting the military workforce to do the more non-mission related tasks. We're not all Washington bureaucrats, and many have served honorably for 20 years or more in uniform and have found a niche for the skills we developed while on active duty.

That said, I understand and agree that we need to all tighten our belts if we are to stop the trend of becoming Greece. I'm grateful to have my job even as my financial situation deteriorates - I'm still not hurting like so many others out there.

22 posted on 11/18/2012 5:50:49 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Libloather

Oh, I don’t want to hear that whine about federal employees ‘sacrifice’. It’s a myth pushed by the unions who represent the idle, shiftless, violent and lazy. I retired from fed service and know there could be solid, substantial cuts to the workforce with no ill effects. There’s far, far too much deadwood which would never be suffered by private industry. I’m sure someone will take issue with my generalization, but I’m sticking by it although I do know some exceptions.


23 posted on 11/18/2012 5:51:14 AM PST by whatshotandwhatsnot (Islam Wants You Dead!)
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To: muawiyah
That's what I had in mind. Eliminate the extraneous and cut back on the rest. The DOD should be weeded of civilians as I don't believe there's a job that can't be performed by uniformed military personnel.

I do have an idea of how many millions work for the central socialist government and what they don't do is criminal!

24 posted on 11/18/2012 6:03:43 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

Just look where the most wealthy counties are...WDC suburbs. Maybe it is merely a “coinkydinky” that many of the residents are fed employees, other government employees or consultants/contractors to government. I think not. Cry me a river over their pay crisis.


25 posted on 11/18/2012 6:11:30 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: IbJensen

When a Roman military unit displayed cowardice in the face of the enemy, they were sometimes punished by ‘decimation’. This practice involved randomly choosing every tenth man in the unit for execution, to show that there were worse ways of dying than an honorable death in battle.

The remaining nine soldiers actually performed the executions, usually by stoning or clubbing. And remarkably, most units straightened up after decimation.


26 posted on 11/18/2012 6:14:01 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

Great idea. Let’s apply this to the entire Washington, D.C. political animals.


27 posted on 11/18/2012 6:18:39 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: muawiyah
I don't understand your question, my comment was in the form of a question. I truly don't know what, exactly, the USDA does. I do know it has something to do with the food supply, I also know it is government run.

Intent, overall, it is to join the conversation in trying to identify the waste in government. For instance, there is or was the wool subsidiary, which was put in place when our military wore wool uniforms. I really don't think we need to keep that and I'm sure there are many other programs that are unnecessary now, maybe they were at one time but the government seems incapable of discontinuing any program, no matter how out of date, destructive, or costly it may be.

Did I offend you somehow? Or were you reply to someone else?

28 posted on 11/18/2012 8:04:22 AM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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To: uncommonsense

Outlaw public unions, then eliminate every nonessential agency and cut the compensation of the rest.

......uhhh.....didn’t the Hostess cupcake union boys and girls just eliminate themselves!?

Let us pray the fed unions do the same! 50 years ago, 90% of their jobs we got along without just fine!


29 posted on 11/18/2012 9:59:27 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Cen-Tejas
"didn’t the Hostess cupcake union boys and girls just eliminate themselves!?"

I wish that could happen, but it's turned into a negative feedback loop. The only hope of reclaiming our republic is outlaw public unions.

It takes a murder to fire a government union worker (unless they sport a Ron Paul bumper sticker). They've grown their ranks into an undefeatable voting block and they will continue electing pawns who grow their ranks and give them more benefits. Ask Allen West.

30 posted on 11/18/2012 10:31:38 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: Libloather
AFGE ... (tired of sacrifices)


             

31 posted on 11/18/2012 10:35:31 AM PST by tomkat (a million tiny cuts .. add yours daily .. be creative)
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To: ronnie raygun

They shouldn’t be allowed to vote either. Nor should congress be allowed to determine their own pay.


32 posted on 11/18/2012 5:23:27 PM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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