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This may be the time for that divorce
Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier ^ | 11/18/12 | Dennis Clayson

Posted on 11/18/2012 7:14:05 PM PST by campg

Given the results of recent national elections, it appears that the nation is split on a number of issues that neither side considers negotiable.

In May 2009, I wrote an article suggesting an amicable divorce between the two sides, with a partitioning of national assets between the two groups based on what was dear to each. It was a rhetorical device to outline the differences found in a split nation, and to make a larger point about ideology applied to everyday life.

Looking at the recent election, it may be time to revisit the idea.

The winners of the last election will get to keep the parts of America they like best. It seems only fair that the winners get to take the first cut.

Outside of a few states, Obama’s America gets the large cities. Without question they get to keep Detroit, Buffalo, N.Y., Cincinnati, Cleveland, Miami, St. Louis, El Paso, Texas, Milwaukee, Philadelphia and Newark, N.J. None of these municipalities have had a conservative (let alone a Republican) administration for as long as anyone can remember. These are also, according to the Census Bureau, the cities with the highest poverty rates.

In Iowa, Obama’s America also keeps the largest cities. As the last several elections have shown, they already own them. We get all the western rural counties; the eastern counties can choose to go either way.

Obama’s America gets the Wall Street protesters, and we get Wall Street. They can keep the national-level media, and government unions. They obviously own them outright.

We’ll keep the "bitter clingers," those who hold onto their guns, Bibles and Judeo-Christian values. Obama’s America can keep the god-of-the-week, and cars that run on soy grease and electricity and are generated from anything except coal and nuclear power.

We get the coal and nuclear power plants. We also get all the coal and oil fields along with the uranium deposits. Obama’s America has no interest in these or doesn’t want anything to do with them.

We get to keep the Constitution. Obama’s America can have the "living document," along with political correctness, laws regulating "hate" speech, and the government protected right to sex without consequences that has magically morphed into a "women’s issue."

We get to keep "the rich" and it is especially important that we retain the "older white males." These two groups pay the overwhelming share of taxes, and we would like to keep them. In fact, we will institute a yearly holiday, much like Veteran’s Day, when "the rich" and "older white males" are thanked for their service to the nation.

We will keep the scientists and artists who could survive without a government grant. Obama’s America could keep schools that could not run without federal intervention.

As radical as this may sound to the other America, we are willing to give Obama’s nation all federally controlled, protected, and financed health care. Our nation will do whatever we can to turn health care into a free market.

We will keep rights that are God-given. Obama’s America can keep the rights granted by the government; the right to health care, of an education, to housing, and the right to whatever else that could win any given election.

We get to keep the part of the federal government that maintains the rule of law, and is prohibited from making transfer payments. Obama’s America can have all the rest.

We will gladly trade Washington D.C. and New York for North and South Dakota, Montana, and Wyoming.

Let everyone move to whatever nation they wish and then close the border.

What do you think the two nations would look like 20 years from now? Which one would be indistinguishable from any third-world country?

Do you think there would be a fence between them? Would the fence keep people out, or like North Korea and East Germany, would the fence be there to keep unhappy people from fleeing their centrally government-managed paradise?


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: conservative; election; liberal; society
If only this was the choice we would prove once and for all that Conservatism leads to prosperity and freedom and socialism leads to chaos and permanent misery.
1 posted on 11/18/2012 7:14:06 PM PST by campg
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To: campg
Not just within this once-great nation, but also within the once-great Christian denominations which had been the bedrock of faithfulness:

I think I want a Divorce

2 posted on 11/18/2012 7:17:54 PM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: campg

We need a “Like” button for articles like this.


3 posted on 11/18/2012 7:20:21 PM PST by madprof98
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To: campg

Let those states that wish to leave secede from the United States
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/228/644/059/let-those-states-that-wish-to-leave-seceed-from-the-united-states/


4 posted on 11/18/2012 7:26:17 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: campg

I received an email today along these lines, supposedly written by a young law student:

Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, regressive, Marxists, and Obama supporters, et al:

We have stuck together since the late 1950s for the sake of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course.

Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let’s just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.

Here is a model separation agreement:

1. Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by land mass, each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy. Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides had such distinct and disparate tastes.

2. We don’t like redistributive taxes, so you can keep them.

3. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.

4. Since you hate guns and war, we’ll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA, and the military.

5. We’ll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and you can go with wind, solar, and bio-diesel.

6. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore, and Rosie O’Donnell. You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them.

7. We’ll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart, and Wall Street.

8. You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, food stamps, homeless homeboys, hippies, druggies, and illegal aliens.

9. We’ll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO’s and rednecks.

10. We’ll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood ..

11. You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we’ll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.

12. You can have the peace-niks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we’ll help provide them security.

13. We’ll keep our Judeo-Christian values.

14. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political correctness, and Shirley McLain. You can also have the U.N., but we will no longer be paying the bill.

15. We’ll keep the SUV’s, pickup trucks, and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find.

16. You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors..

17. We’ll continue to believe healthcare is an earned luxury and not a right.

18. We’ll keep “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” and “The National Anthem.”

19. I’m sure you’ll be happy to substitute “Imagine”, “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing”, “Kum Ba Ya,” or “We Are the World”.

20. We’ll practice trickledown economics and you can continue to give trickle up poverty your best shot.

21. Since it often so offends you, we’ll keep our history, our name and our constitution and our flag.

22. Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I’ll bet you answer which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.

Sincerely,
John J. Wall
Law Student and an American

P.S.: Also, please take Ted Turner, Sean Penn, Martin Sheen, Barbara Streisand, and Jane Fonda with you.

P.S.S..: And you won’t have to “Press 1 for English” when you call our country.


5 posted on 11/18/2012 7:33:02 PM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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To: campg

I SO WISH....


6 posted on 11/18/2012 7:43:43 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: campg

Obama’s America can keep the rights granted by the government; the right to health care, of an education, to housing, and the right to whatever else that could win any given election.


You left out “The ‘Right’ to marry a root-vegetable.”


7 posted on 11/18/2012 7:48:08 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: madprof98

We could have our own newspapers and TV networks - and shows we want to watch...


8 posted on 11/18/2012 7:53:20 PM PST by GOPJ (The economy is so bad MSNBC had to lay off 300 Obama spokesmen - Leno)
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To: campg
"Without question they get to keep... Miami... None of these municipalities have had a conservative (let alone a Republican) administration for as long as anyone can remember."

Both the city of Miami and Miami-Dade County have a Republican Mayor.

9 posted on 11/18/2012 7:54:39 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: GOPJ

bump


10 posted on 11/18/2012 7:57:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Jack Black

Potential CWII ping.....


11 posted on 11/18/2012 7:58:44 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I miss you Whitey! (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012). Take care, pretty girl!)
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To: campg

The dirty secret is that Liberals cannot survive without Conservatives, Conservatives would do a lot better without Liberals.


12 posted on 11/18/2012 8:01:24 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: campg

I don’t think secession is the answer because there are liberals everywhere. They will come, vote for liberal stuff, get sticker shock when they have to pay for it and move like they do now between different states. And it is a bit drastic when we haven’t tried nullification, where a State stands up for its sovereignty within the Union. We have to stop voting for state politicians who are chicken and won’t stand up and just say no to Uncle Sam.


13 posted on 11/18/2012 8:04:57 PM PST by dajeeps
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To: campg

The best & the brightest, the most productive people would hustle to the Red States. They can have NYC, DC, Philly, Boston, New England . . . and everything west of the San Andreas Fault . . .including Hawaii. We take everything else, and erect borders so only those who we want in, can come in . ..and legally.


14 posted on 11/18/2012 8:08:37 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (Elections do have consequences, young people of America)
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To: dajeeps

Who says they have to be allowed in? Or allowed to remain once the state secedes?


15 posted on 11/18/2012 8:11:12 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: madprof98
We need a “Like” button for articles like this.

Back in the old days of FReeperdom it used to be called "Bump" or "BTTT".

16 posted on 11/18/2012 8:14:11 PM PST by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: madprof98
We need a “Like” button for articles like this.

Back in the old days of FReeperdom it used to be called "Bump" or "BTTT".

17 posted on 11/18/2012 8:14:47 PM PST by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: TheRightGuy

whoops, scratch that double post ... < /flying fickle fingers>


18 posted on 11/18/2012 8:17:41 PM PST by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: TurkeyLurkey

Bttt.


19 posted on 11/18/2012 8:44:14 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: campg

20 posted on 11/18/2012 8:51:08 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: campg

How long do you think it would take before people tried to start up the same old gravy train? At the very least, there would have to be enshrined into law that government could not take from one to give to another, for any reason, even if that seems a “good” thing to do. Second, only net taxpayers would be allowed to vote.

The only charity would come from private, voluntary donations. How many Americans do you think would go for that? Not many, I’m afraid, because most people are ignorant of how freedom and the market produce real prosperity and help the poor the most.


21 posted on 11/18/2012 9:01:31 PM PST by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: campg

One way to choose is to have enough states dissolve the present federal government, but the necessary Constitutional Convention scares too many people more than another four years of The Obama Regime does.

States could stop accepting federal money for any project. This will send bureaucrats into a tizzy. Moreover, states could stop giving the federal government blanket approval for acquisition of property. This would impose roadblocks to some expansions of the federal government. It would really send federal bureaucrats into a tizzy.

Consider the Enclave Clause, found in Article I, Section 8:

“Congress may exercise exclusive legislative “authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;”

What if states, wanting to object to encroachments on our liberties by the federal government, stopped automatically granting blanket consent, but instead required the federal government to apply for each parcel of land in question and to pay a processing fee, of say $1 million per application?

Or what if the States just treated the federal government like the feds treat people who attempt to register Class III firearms— that is they must pay the stamp tax, but the Treasury Department is not accepting any further payments?

Consider how this would be a tremendous thorn in the side of the feds.


22 posted on 11/18/2012 9:03:50 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: campg

We already did that experiment with Germany and Korea.

Look at the map of who voted which way by county, and you see how narrow is the Obama base of support, and how concentrated are the precincts are that permit voter fraud.


23 posted on 11/18/2012 9:22:22 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: TurkeyLurkey

We already split up the country once-
Canada got the liberal policies. Now the liberals want the rest. No. They can’t have it.


24 posted on 11/18/2012 9:26:39 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: campg

I’ve jokingly told my wife maybe it’s time for a split, and she thought I was serious. I am semi-serious. It would be interesting to see something like that tried on an experimental basis just to show libs what life in a thoroughly socialist country would be like. The fact is the poorest 25% of Americans now, Blacks and Hispanics, would constitute 50% of the population in the socialist U.S. They are the segment of the current population with the highest numbers of people on government aid i.e. welfare and other “freebies” taken from the country’s taxpayers. We’d see how the few producers in the socialist U.S. would like having 90+ percent of their income taken from them.


25 posted on 11/18/2012 9:30:28 PM PST by driftless2
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To: Trod Upon
"allowed to remain"

I think people would be given a choice of which country they want to live in. I can't imagine all the people on gov. aid or all the snooty libs choosing a free-enterprise, constitutionally based U.S.

26 posted on 11/18/2012 9:36:00 PM PST by driftless2
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To: campg
This is not a split. We're infected by blue patches in a vast sea of red.

WALL THEM IN.

27 posted on 11/19/2012 3:52:19 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: campg

Unfortunately the takers will never split from the makers. Their right to mooch is the one and only thing they’ll fight for.


28 posted on 11/19/2012 4:00:59 AM PST by circlecity
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To: dajeeps

If those are the only people running, we don’t have a choice. Romney wasn’t much of a choice.

I am so ready for a divorce!


29 posted on 11/19/2012 4:15:30 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: campg

BTTT


30 posted on 11/19/2012 4:32:15 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Joe 6-pack

bttt


31 posted on 11/19/2012 4:43:03 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: campg

A serious divorce means secession And secession is at the state level. Cute rant though.


32 posted on 11/19/2012 4:48:09 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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