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To: roamer_1
Social conservatives use that John Adams quote a lot. And I accept that there is truth in it.

The response I would make is: what if the people are increasingly not "moral and religious"?? Can government make them so??

And can a candidate who wants to make them so win a majority of the national electorate??

My guess is that Mr. Adams would answer in the negative on both counts.

65 posted on 11/20/2012 10:58:13 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: Notary Sojac
Social conservatives use that John Adams quote a lot. And I accept that there is truth in it.

Well thanks for that much - Often times it seems my libertarian FRiends would like to believe that morality has nothing to with anything.

The response I would make is: what if the people are increasingly not "moral and religious"?? Can government make them so??

And can a candidate who wants to make them so win a majority of the national electorate??

My guess is that Mr. Adams would answer in the negative on both counts.

There is a great point in that, and a point which cannot be denied. But there is also a bit of a cop-out in it too (with no offense meant):

Prior to our current liberal infection, morality was pretty much a given thing from cradle-to-grave. By far and away, folks just knew what right and wrong were... and that was taught to our children by every aspect of society, from the 10 Commandments in front of the courthouse to prayer in school (and the same can be said about patriotism)...

It wasn't left to the parents to 'turn the channel if you don't like it', as it were. There was always a seedy part of town, but that was kept out of polite society in a red-light district across the tracks.

That reinforcement of morality in every aspect of society is a very important thing. If the state and the schools are teaching something else, one can be certain that our moral fiber is under a vast assault.

And when businesses cannot exercise their religious convictions because the law says they can't, it slips even further.

And we are now to the point that the churches are being dictated to - When the churches can no longer teach the truth, it is all but gone.

So to answer you question, clinically you are right. But in actual application, removing the road blocks that the government has thrown up against morality would go a long way toward fixing things, and I do believe that this country would settle back to her moorings.

118 posted on 11/20/2012 2:05:08 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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