Posted on 11/21/2012 6:50:00 AM PST by Cronos
Not that way.
It’s totally out of the realm of ‘normal dog behavior’.
No dog ever stuck a paw down another dog’s throat.
:)
mine isn't over-exuberant except to a couple of big male doggies that she LOVES :)
I'm still learning to asses the other's dog's body language, so my rule is to hold her back (she's highly obedient, so I just say "stay" and she stays back) and I look for the owner of the other dog to be close, see if he/she is ok and then look at the dog if it growling or teeth curled or one of what I call dangerous breeds (note to all -- this is my own personal position -- and I'm sure I'm wrong for many dogs, but hey, I'm just looking out for my dog) and then wait for the tails to wag.
it's the same with liberals...
Michael Vick?
I've never tried the tie off one dog technique.
Not saying it isn't a good tool to keep in mind
but I'd think unless you can be quick about it
there'd be a possibility of the dogs doing some pretty serious damage to each other
while you were tracking down a rope.
Being alone and having to deal with a serious dog fight is not something I would wish on anyone.
For someone with no experience it can be quite horrific.
One technique I've used with some success is to first get one of the dogs hind legs off the ground,
it lessens the dog's ability to get the leverage to fight.
With the back legs off the ground I pull the dogs toward a door/gate.
I get one dog on each side of the door and begin closing the door to minimize their possibility of contact.
At some point you will be down to only one dog having a hold through a small crack in the door
and eventually the dog will let go and you can close the door completely, separating the dogs.
The technique also works well if you have someone with you,
they raise the hind legs of the second dog off the ground
and work with you from the other side of the door.
The technique might not be as effective with dogs that don't bite and hold.
Here's a link that may be of some help...
Gypsy goes whole hog flat out giddy trying to solicit play and affection from every living thing she meets.
She’s just built that way...:)
There are *tons* of good websites on dog body language and you’d be surprised at how many expressions are not what they might seem.
Here’s a couple to get you started
http://www.pawsacrossamerica.com/interpret.html
http://www.diamondsintheruff.com/diagrams.html
I had to learn all this from just watching dogs for decades but thanks to the miracle of the internet, it’s all laid out very nicely for everyone to learn.
[to me, the internet is one HUGE free library]
:)
Yes, it is.
[unlike dogs though, it’s okay to whack a liberal across the snout with a rolled up newspaper]
;]
Tragically, I’m one of those weirdos who always has a ‘critter emergency kit’ in the car at all times.
Rope, a leash, a blanket, etc.
I love Leerburg.
I get spam from them every day because I’ve bought stuff from their website.
I do not agree with his technique of ‘jerking a dog off its feet’, however.
In his video of how to use the snap slip collar, he yanks that poor dog right to the ground with no warning.
That kind of crap can really damage a dog’s cervical vertebrae and is considered ‘outdated’ by most reputable trainers, as is the old standard, “The Koehler Method”.
Other than that, I think he’s a great trainer.
Most definitely.
The story of getting the Yorkie out of Sam's mouth was an edited copy and paste
of a previous telling from which I removed this part,
"Normally I stay way from the mouth area during a fight".
I think in that occurrence I was frantic to get the Yorkie loose
and it really wasn't a 'fight' as the outcome showed.
I've been bitten by dogs 3 times.
Once, at 12 years old, I went up to a roaming GSD to say hello,
...can still see the scar on my leg from that one.
The second time was during my first time breaking up a fight between two dogs
and I naively tried to grab each by the collar to separate them.
Strange sensation having your thumb chewed.
It was unintentional of the dog's part, when I let her know it was my finger she was biting
she immediately ceased and went back to her targeting her 'enemy'.
The third time I got bit by a dog was again on the thumb (the other one, lucky me).
It was different in that it wasn't a dog-dog fight but rather a dog-bear-man fight.
Again it was unintentional on the dogs part, we were both targeting the same area.
When I told him it was me he had in his mouth and to stop and 'go back',
amazingly, even in the heat of fighting for his life, he obeyed me,
broke off the fight and positioned himself a dozen or so feet away.
Lost the tip of my thumb that time. lol
One of my first consults was with a woman that "rescued" one. Darn thing started circling me and growling, refusing to listen to the owner. I think even the owner was scared of the dog at that point. Claimed to be working with a special trainer....turned down the job.
(
Good one! Happy Thanksgiving.
I’m a Koehler trainer.
The animosity towards Koehler reminds me of today’s leftist child rearing practices.
I have gotten bitten several times - twice by Jack Russells whose owners though asked failed to tell me their dogs were aggressive. Now I just assume the worst of these dogs and don’t touch them.
The worst was when I stuck my hand in to break up two pits. I knew I was going to get bitten but I felt I had to intervene to prevent serious injury to one of the dogs. Sure enough, in the heat of the fight, I was bitten. It was inadvertent and the dog immediately let go, but the bite was hard.
A good hard kick in the @$$ works wonders in breaking up a dog fight. A swift kick in the belly if it's a dangerous dog. They forget all about biting when you knock the wind out of them.
Vastly underutilized technique. And funny as anything to watch them gagging and trying to figure out what just happened.
Perhaps but I know I’ve had much greater success after abandoning it.
Take “flanking”, for instance.
That’s a pretty crappy thing to do to a dog.
Odin’s never been ‘flanked’ in his life and he’s the most ‘willing to bite’ Dobe I’ve ever owned.
My dog’s physical therapist has gotten rich off of the cervical damage done by the Koehler ‘sudden change of direction” that jerks a dog off its feet when teaching them to heel.
Upwards of 80% of dogs x-rayed have cervical damge from improper training.
You may imply that I’m “like a leftist” to your heart’s desire but it will not change the way I train my own dogs.
I refuse to inflict cruelty, pain or suffering upon them to force them to submit to my will.
Koehler’s time is gone.
Most people don’t have the nerve to willingly shove their fist down a raging dog’s throat so it’s little wonder it’s ‘vastly underutilized’.
You almost have to be a special kind of crazy to do it.
[happily, I specialize in special kind of crazy]
LOL
I did it to a great dane. She never tried me again, just walked around me. It was funny, watching her.
The best part is, you don't get bit because they're gagging!
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