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Thanksgiving’s First Rifle: The Mayflower Wheel-lock Carbine
guns.com ^ | 21 November, 2012 | Kristin Alberts

Posted on 11/22/2012 5:19:28 AM PST by marktwain

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It says something of the value and availability of firearms at the time that a 21 year old cooper could obtain one of the best made guns.
1 posted on 11/22/2012 5:19:35 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Wheellock rifles were used for hunting well into the flintlock era as they gave reliable & quick ignition. The drawback as noted was cost.


2 posted on 11/22/2012 5:32:37 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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He had a good trade (barrelmaking). He probably could afford good weapons. He certainly made a good choice there.


3 posted on 11/22/2012 5:42:27 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: marktwain

“Assault” wheel lock with “cop killer” ammunition.


4 posted on 11/22/2012 5:44:21 AM PST by SkyPilot
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A state of the art weapon...at the time.


5 posted on 11/22/2012 5:59:08 AM PST by marktwain
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Editorial note: the article used the words musket and rifle interchangeably, but this is not accurate. This gun is a musket, a smooth bore weapon fired at the shoulder.

Rifles are distinct from muskets by having a rifled, or grooved barrel interior that imparts a spin to the bullet, drastically increasing its accuracy and range. Effectively, they have only existed since the middle of the 19th Century, but were a major breakthrough.

Typically, a musket only had a range of 50 yards, with an effective range of half that, at best. The rifle increased the range to 300 yards, with accurate fire perhaps 2/3rds of that distance.

Hat tip to French Army captains Claude-Étienne Minié of the Chasseurs d’Orléans and Henri-Gustave Delvigne.

By the time of the US Civil War, until rifled artillery could be developed, rifles had a range just slightly less than field artillery. Bad for field artillerymen.


6 posted on 11/22/2012 6:04:09 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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This single-shot musket was originally chambered in .50 caliber rifle, though ages of heavy use have worn away the majority of the rifling.

You are saying this sentence is incorrect?

7 posted on 11/22/2012 6:06:23 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: marktwain

So is it a musket or a rifle?


8 posted on 11/22/2012 6:07:55 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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The purchase of that wheelock carbine for Alden was roughly equivalent to one of us purchasing a luxury automobile. That was a BIG ticket item for him.


9 posted on 11/22/2012 6:14:32 AM PST by Little Ray (I have VOTED AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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@DanRiehl: Thanksgiving’s First Rifle: The Mayflower Wheel-lock Carbine http://t.co/pryb5iUZ http://t.co/mGJUIxiE


10 posted on 11/22/2012 6:17:05 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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“Effectively, they have only existed since the middle of the 19th Century, but were a major breakthrough.”

Not so. I used to think the same thing, until my son sent me this. They were rifling barrels in Europe in the mid 1700’s......

And riflemen in the Rev. War could hit a 7” target at 250 yds. WITH OPEN SIGHTS! I’ve got some great rifles, but couldn’t do that with any of them.......

http://www.sniperinfo.com/forum/showthread.php?938-The-American-Rifleman-in-the-Revolutionary-War


11 posted on 11/22/2012 6:35:55 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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You mean it wasn't a Blunderbuss?


12 posted on 11/22/2012 6:53:13 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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Sounds to me like it is. Someone at guns.com is assuming a bit too much, as in maybe some of the bore has been worn out and he's assuming there's not any rifling left because of the wear.

As someone has already pointed out on this thread, rifling hadn't been invented yet, and any competent gun writer oughta know that.

13 posted on 11/22/2012 6:54:47 AM PST by OKSooner
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Because of the commonality of the term “musket” in military drill and terminology, it appears to have been used even early on as a synonym for “military long guns”. I have seen the term “rifled musket” in contemporary letters from the Revolution.


14 posted on 11/22/2012 7:00:28 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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http://www.nps.gov/jame/historyculture/history-of-armour-and-weapons-relevant-to-jamestown.htm

Two complete and six fragmentary wheel locks have been discovered at Jamestown which pre-date the Plymouth Colony by more than a decade.


15 posted on 11/22/2012 7:06:02 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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Thanks I enjoyed this article...

John Alden’s House in Duxbury, Massachusetts

https://s5-us4.ixquick-proxy.com/do/show_picture.pl?l=english&cat=pics&c=pf&q=Alden+family+dwelling+Duxbury,+Massachusetts&h=788&w=1198&th=105&tw=160&fn=AldenHouse.jpg&fs=933.1 k&el=boss_pics_1&tu=http:%2F%2Fts3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DI.4952664965120786%26pid%3D15.1%26W%3D160%26H%3D105&rl=NONE&u=http:%2F%2Fwww.benbowfamily.com%2Fshowmedia.php%3FmediaID%3D435%26medialinkID%3D605&udata=d98ca16937714f81185a257cddcc9e19&rid=LHLNPNPTQQNL&oiu=http:%2F%2Fwww.benbowfamily.com%2Fphotos%2FAldenHouse.jpg


16 posted on 11/22/2012 7:15:05 AM PST by virgil283 ( "I Tawt I Taw A Proletariat.....I did I did...)
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To: OKSooner

I suspect that you are correct. I will point out, however, that rifling had been experimented with as early as the mid 15th century. Odds are good though that John Alden’s weapon was not a rifle.


17 posted on 11/22/2012 7:22:21 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: OKSooner
As someone has already pointed out on this thread, rifling hadn't been invented yet, and any competent gun writer oughta know that.

Excuse me but rifling had been invented at that time, actually, even earlier. It was not used often as rifles were difficult to load fast after being fired a couple times due to black powder residue build up in the barrel and were also expensive, therefore smooth bores, or muskets, were normally purchased.

18 posted on 11/22/2012 7:22:32 AM PST by calex59
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To: OKSooner
To amplify my last comment to you I submit this line from an article on the history of rifling

Barrel rifling was invented in Augsburg, Germany at the end of the fifteenth century.[5] In 1520 August Kotter, an armourer of Nuremberg, Germany improved upon this work. Though true rifling dates from the mid-16th century, it did not become commonplace until the nineteenth century due to loading difficulties and cost of manufacture.

19 posted on 11/22/2012 7:27:06 AM PST by calex59
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Most likely this intelligent young man realized that where he was going money was worthless and a fine weapon was priceless. He likely spent every penny he had to buy the best weapon available. Good call.


20 posted on 11/22/2012 7:31:36 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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