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To: Georgia Girl 2; soycd; jersey117

RE: Are Muslims exempted from Obamacare?

Actually RELIGIOUS GROUPS (not just Muslims) have exemption. But the bar for exemption has been set quite HIGH ( and there is no mention of Islam in the law ).

A paragraph on page 107 of the legislation provides for individual religious exemptions. The language is non-specific with regard to specific faiths, however. Read carefully:

(5) EXEMPTIONS FROM INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.—In the case of an individual who is seeking an exemption certificate under section 1311(d)(4)(H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information [is required]:

(A) In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individual’s status as a member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing ministry, as an Indian, or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such information as the Secretary shall prescribe.

Similarly, page 128 of the legislation states:

“(A) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION.—Such term [i.e., “applicable individual”] shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.

The above passage amends the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, of which Section 1402(g)(1) defines “a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof” as follows:

(1) Exemption

Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by—
(A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and

(B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person,

and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that—

(C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence,

(D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and

(E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950.

The upshot of all this legalese is that the law sets the bar for eligibility for a religious exemption quite high.

According to a 2009 report on MSNBC.com, this language was originally meant to apply mainly to one religious group, the Old Order Amish, whose beliefs prohibit them from participating in public or commercial insurance. Members participate in a form of self-insurance per the language above requiring exempted sects “to make provision for their dependent members.”


39 posted on 11/26/2012 9:27:33 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Its been widely reported in the MSM from the beginning that Muslims are exempt.


40 posted on 11/26/2012 9:35:05 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Its been widely reported in the MSM from the beginning that Muslims are exempt.


41 posted on 11/26/2012 9:35:05 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Georgia Girl 2
SandF, Thank you for posting this section of the law. I too have the understanding that the exemption was intended for the Old Order Amish and Mennonites. It'll be interesting to see the language of the court's decision. If the court rules that the exemption must be widened to accommodate groups like Liberty, they're still ruling that religions must petition for an exemption to practice their faith. A real win for religious freedom would be a ruling that religions have true first amendment freedom and need not petition for exemption for the exercise of faith free of penalty. A ruling that grants freedom based on exemption will be dangerous for our future IMHO.

As GG2 pointed out, I've also seen it widely reported that Muslims are exempt. The reason I've read is because Islam forbids insurance. My experience working in health care is that most muslims are insured privately or through Medicaid/Medicare. I don't see how the law exempts them because of section B in the text of the law that you posted.

55 posted on 11/26/2012 10:44:33 AM PST by PeevedPatriot ("A wise man's heart inclines him toward the right, but a fool's heart toward the left."--Eccl 10:2)
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