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CNN poll: More Americans would blame Republicans if country went off fiscal cliff
Washington Examiner ^ | November 26, 2012 | Charlie Spiering

Posted on 11/26/2012 8:13:29 AM PST by Qbert

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To: Qbert

This is the media “blame Bush” drumbeat reaching its crescendo. They will beat the “Republicans fault” no matter what happens.

Most people believe what they’re told without deeper investigation. They believe what they see on CNN, NBC etc..We need to change the media or we will continue to lose. There is no other method.

Thank God for alternative media, social media etc...


51 posted on 11/26/2012 9:01:43 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: Qbert

Well not to worry the Pubbies will cave as usual and do whatever the Dems want. Its all good.


52 posted on 11/26/2012 9:03:01 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Longbow1969

"LOL, I'm actually about as far right as one can be. "

Sorry, but I think you're a fraud.

53 posted on 11/26/2012 9:05:17 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert
CNN poll: More Americans would blame Republicans if country went off fiscal cliff

And all thirteen people who watch CNN regularly, may have been tuned in to watch the reports of this.

Considering CNN's ratings, their approval ratings must be close to 0.75% Who are they to talk?

54 posted on 11/26/2012 9:07:48 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: Qbert
repeat it over and over until the low-information people finally hear it.."""".......

Good idea, except have you ever tried to explain to a 2,3 5 year old, or even a teen child, WHY they can't do something or why they must..........?

Talk until you are blue in the face, then you blurt out "Because I said so", at which time they STORM out, cause a scene, and break things to get their way.

It is not that they are so ignorant as they want what they want, nothing more than that.

P.S: Only the "Because I said so" happened in my house. After that came out of my mouth , THEY KNEW THE CONSEQUENCES of pushing me.

55 posted on 11/26/2012 9:08:49 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Qbert
Sorry, but I think you're a fraud.

/yawn

Just go on "unskewing" polls there Qbert. See where that gets ya.

56 posted on 11/26/2012 9:09:29 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Qbert

EXACTLY!

Instead they sell out their values, and the low-information folks get an object lesson that we can’t overcome.


57 posted on 11/26/2012 9:09:29 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: Qbert

“But what was strange was that although Goldstein was hated and despised by everybody, although every day and a thousand times a day, on platforms, on the telescreen, in newspapers, in books, his theories were refuted, smashed, ridiculed, held up to the general gaze for the pitiful rubbish that they were — in spite of all this, his influence never seemed to grow less.”

Just sub `Bush/GOP/conservatives’ for `Goldstein’.
The MSM & their Two Minute Hate: Starve the beast.


58 posted on 11/26/2012 9:10:02 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: whitedog57

Wonder what would happen if you asked one of them, “Where is this “Fiscal Cliff” they talk about so much? Must be a sight to behold, I might like to visit someday.


59 posted on 11/26/2012 9:11:06 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Qbert
This is a just a big It Don't Matter. The Republican party is done for as far as national elections. As dead as the Whigs. They will win state and local elections for a while, but as a national party I just do not see them winning the presidency again. There are just too many of the 47% that live in the large population centers on both coasts and sprinkled throughout the land. The Republican party dominates in less populated states that treasure their freedom much more than their desire to have the government pay for their every whim. Moving further left will not help since voters will not vote for "all most Democrat" when they can have the real thing. I suspect that within the next decade or so, the current Republican voters will decide that the Republican party really does not represent them and either form a new party or just go underground and off the grid.
60 posted on 11/26/2012 9:11:20 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Now you’re starting to get the picture.

There simply can be no Obama without the corrupt MSM - period.

The corrupt MSM controls the message and the Kardashian public scoops it up and acts/votes accordingly.


61 posted on 11/26/2012 9:13:29 AM PST by Obadiah (It pays to be a Democrat.)
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To: Personal Responsibility
hank God for alternative media, social media etc...

Unfortunately, the left is good at gobbling those up as well. Try talking politics as a conservative on a place like Reddit, Slashdot, etc. It's basically completely dominated by liberals and all conservative opinion is shouted down or down voted. The left is very organized in going about this and they drive all right of center opinion away from popular social media sites. At places like Digg there is basically no conservative opinions at all.

There are lots of conservative business people with deep pockets. We have got to get these folks to start buying up or creating media.

We need to change the media or we will continue to lose.

I agree. While we do have the new media, I think the situation is actually worse than ever. Conservatives are just constantly in a position where we have to fight a tide of opposition from most news outlets, most entertainment outlets, and most social media outlets. As soon as the next network is being sold off, Republican investors need to grab it up. Next time one of these big city papers is for sale, conservatives need to be there to buy it.

62 posted on 11/26/2012 9:17:44 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Qbert
The GOP had their chance under Bush and gave us what? An Andro ban and "temporary" tax relief? A DHS we didn't need or want?

The Dems are to blame primarily... But the GOP's weak testicular fortitude is becoming nearly legendary.

63 posted on 11/26/2012 9:19:44 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Longbow1969

"Just go on "unskewing" polls there Qbert. See where that gets ya."

I distinctly recall you endlessly harping away how the Tea Party wasn't going to do very well in the 2010 elections because of you're supposed "analysis"... How did that one work for you?

I have no problem with folks injecting a little reality into a situation if it is becoming an echo chamber- but there is a big difference between that, and simply piling on Republicans every time one sees a supposedly negative poll. I think you are in the latter camp.

And say for the sake of argument that this poll is right- do you have anything to contribute to try to help Republicans "turn it around"? Or do you just get giddy at rubbing salt in the wounds of all those "gullible" freepers?...

64 posted on 11/26/2012 9:22:16 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: tennmountainman
Agreed.

They will forget about blaming repubs for getting bit in the butt the first time as soon as Obamacare taxes bites them in the butt the second time.

65 posted on 11/26/2012 9:23:50 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Personal Responsibility
Tucker Carlson was on "Fox and Friends" this morning talking about the media coverage. He said the networks by a 16-1 ratio have been blaming the Republicans for the fiscal cliff. So naturally that is going to influence public opinion. He also commented on how NBC had almost no coverage of the fiscal cliff in the period before the election.

This is what the Republicans are up against--the media always trying to leverage the situation to benefit the Democrats. Of course it doesn't help to have some Republicans offering a pre-emptive surrender to the other side.

66 posted on 11/26/2012 9:25:16 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

And that’s why I get so upset at many here who blame: Mitt Romney, George Bush, or whomever or whatever.

Night after night and morning after morning, the broadcast TV “news” makers demonstrate their “journalism” is carefully managed and manipulated into tidy packages designed to provide the maximum political benefit to liberals and the maximum political damage to conservatives.

It doesn’t matter who the Republican is or what the issue of the day is. The corrupt MSM controls the message and until that corrupt collossus is torn assunder I see no hope for Republicans or for America. They have grown too powerful and have a hammerlock on the flow of information.


67 posted on 11/26/2012 9:34:27 AM PST by Obadiah (It pays to be a Democrat.)
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To: Qbert
I distinctly recall you endlessly harping away how the Tea Party wasn't going to do very well in the 2010 elections because of you're supposed "analysis"... How did that one work for you?

I don't know what you're talking about. Pretty much everyone, even folks like Nate Silver, thought the Republicans would take the House by winning more than 50+ seats. What I objected to were stupid predictions like Dick Morris' (who is virtually always wrong) who claimed the GOP might win 100 seats. Morris also predicted we'd win the Senate in 2010 when it was clear to most reasonable analysts that bad nominees like Christine O'Donnell would probably prevent that.

We have been nominating some real duds for statewide office - and the fact we couldn't retake the Senate under such favorable circumstances between 2010 and 2012 is proof of that.

And say for the sake of argument that this poll is right- do you have anything to contribute to try to help Republicans "turn it around"?

Yes, stop reacting and playing small ball. Talk about the underlying big issues. Make sure people identify the GOP with being against the social welfare nanny state because our economy will collapse if we keep this up. We are stuck in the weeds arguing on Democrat turf. That needs to stop. Talk about Greece, talk about California, talk about bankruptcy, default, etc. Do this at every press conference. Instead of talking about the macro, we end up yammering about the specifics of this and that program and it's getting us nowhere. We are playing by the oppositions rules.

Or do you just get giddy at rubbing salt in the wounds of all those "gullible" freepers?

Oh come on, stop being so offended. Believing polls could be "unskewed" was just so dumb it needs to be made fun of a little so folks on our side doesn't repeat the error.

68 posted on 11/26/2012 9:40:04 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: tennmountainman
“Let it go off the cliff and see how soon these idiots change their minds.”

Until the last election I would have agreed with you. What I have come to realize is that nothing is going to change these people's minds. Four years of Obama policies, high employment, high gas prices and a wretched economy had no effect. When a crash happens, when our money suddenly has no value, when EBT cards stop working and cities sink into anarchy, Obama and Liberalism will not be blamed. CAPITALISM WILL BE BLAMED.

69 posted on 11/26/2012 10:13:16 AM PST by ryan71 (Water, food and ammo.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

....but of course they won’t fight. Sigh......


70 posted on 11/26/2012 10:16:24 AM PST by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: Qbert

I’d like to see republicans open up a can of class warfare whoopass. They should relent on higher taxes on actual millionaires. They should demand an annual wealth tax on net worths in excess of $2 billion. They should disallow formation of trusts with funds that have not first been subjected to payment of unrealized capital gains and estate taxes. All in exchange for entitlement reform. Make democrats look bad protecting their constituents and billionaires that favor democrats.


71 posted on 11/26/2012 10:44:55 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: brownsfan
Americans are so freakin’ stupid, they have no idea what the fiscal cliff is, or how it will affect them, but they know Republicans are to blame.

What do you expect? Most Americans today are the products of 12 years of public indoctrination at the hands of union-controlled leftist morons. And, you expect them to think for themselves?? They have been programmed to thoink as only leftists "think"!

72 posted on 11/26/2012 11:15:44 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Qbert

Republicans should first pass their own preferred plan in the House. The Senate dems and Obama, of course, will have done nothing but make speeches.

Having passed their plan, the Republicans should then insist that C-Span cameras be rolling at all subsequent negotiations.


73 posted on 11/26/2012 11:43:52 AM PST by sphinx ([)
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To: Qbert

Republicans should first pass their own preferred plan in the House. The Senate dems and Obama, of course, will have done nothing but make speeches.

Having passed their plan, the Republicans should then insist that C-Span cameras be rolling at all subsequent negotiations.


74 posted on 11/26/2012 11:44:17 AM PST by sphinx ([)
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To: Qbert

Republicans should first pass their own preferred plan in the House. The Senate dems and Obama, of course, will have done nothing but make speeches.

Having passed their plan, the Republicans should then insist that C-Span cameras be rolling at all subsequent negotiations.


75 posted on 11/26/2012 11:44:37 AM PST by sphinx ([)
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To: Qbert

Clearly a poll with an agenda. The GOP should ignore. If it’s true or if it’s false — they have nothing to lose either way. They need to explain why they do what the do on the chance they can reach some of the idiot public filled with propaganda by Communist schools and the Communist media.


76 posted on 11/26/2012 11:52:39 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: Verginius Rufus

Of course it doesn’t help to have some Republicans offering a pre-emptive surrender to the other side.


In most cases they do this to avoid being bashed in the media. If that were changed and they didn’t have to fear being blown to bits on every news station, they’d show more spine.

Not all of them. Not every time...but most of the time.

Think about it this way: You never, ever see a Democrat afraid to adopt the most lefist position on any issue, right? Are they made of sterner intestinal stuff? No...they just do not have to fear media scrutiny so they say whatever they want.


77 posted on 11/26/2012 11:58:48 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: pgkdan

I agree with you. We worked hard to get our ducks in a row after 2008. The fall of America will hurt us a little in what vacations we take or when we will retire but I’d rather give up my nice vacations and other little luxeries (new TV or vehicle) and watch the stupid anti-american 51% suffer when the shtf hits the fan.

Warning, don’t come to us looking for a loan or any kind of help. I’m done with you


78 posted on 11/26/2012 12:53:17 PM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: Qbert

Good. What do they know? They are a bunch of idiots.


79 posted on 11/26/2012 12:57:25 PM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: annieokie

I’m ready, lets jump. My parachute is packed, in place and working. Would love to see my entitled relatives and friends go streaking pass me screaming “why and what happened and Obama, please save me” as I float ever so gently through the air enjoying the view on my way down.

course I’ll be well armed to protect myself when they try to grab on for dear life. I’ll just have to say “sorry, no dead weight allowed. Call the MSN for help.


80 posted on 11/26/2012 1:10:46 PM PST by Glacier Honey
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To: Glacier Honey
It sounds like we are joking,,I'm not and I don't you or many others today in FR are either.

Let 'er Rip. I am sick and tired of Congress using these PANIC scenarios to get what they want.

"TARP" left a very bad taste in my mouth, I will never forget.

Tell me where can I find this "Great Fiscal Cliff"? Where is it located? Sounds like a FUN place to visit.

81 posted on 11/26/2012 1:24:51 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Qbert

Lets see:

CNN’s poll

CNN says what every single day? “Republican Fault”

And one wonders why said poll would say this?

Of course - when public schools have been teaching liberalism for how many decades now?


82 posted on 11/26/2012 2:42:47 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Qbert

Yep. In retrospect, the Romney campaign strategy was abhorrently bad. They played patty cake from July forward. They left so much on the table because they used a very simplistic message and repeated it over and over.

I think most of us felt it at time throughout. If it wasn’t for the 1st debate, we probably all would have been crying foul by mid October.

Our side needs to be naming each and every tax increase over the past four years every time the interview camera is on. There have been massive increases already, especially on the
rich’. Yet here we are with trillion plus dollar deficit. Tax increases solve nothing, other than sucking money out of the economy, slowing growth and causing money and jobs to find their ways overseas. Yet, our side is sitting here on the defensive and diddling around the edges.

Personally, I don’t give a rat’s a$$ about this fiscal cliff because nothing that comes from it will be much of an improvement, other than kicking our problems out a few months or a couple years. Our people and our government is not remotely serious about fixing the problems Washington has created.


83 posted on 11/26/2012 6:09:09 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: Longbow1969

"I don't know what you're talking about. Pretty much everyone, even folks like Nate Silver, thought the Republicans would take the House by winning more than 50+ seats..."

I'll refresh your memory: you were babbling away about how the rapidly rising stock market in the fall of 2010 was "almost like an October surprise" for the Democrats that would cost the Tea Party big time. You can try your revisionist history but I still remember your argument because it was so laughably bad...

84 posted on 11/26/2012 7:47:50 PM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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I'll refresh your memory: you were babbling away about how the rapidly rising stock market in the fall of 2010 was "almost like an October surprise" for the Democrats that would cost the Tea Party big time.

I have no idea of the context or the point I was making in some random post from 2010. My track record of predictions is generally quite good because they are grounded in reality rather than wishful thinking.

The idea that we could "unskew" polls was just stupid. That ridiculous unskewedpolls website deserves to be laughed at. That so many conservatives bought into this nonsense was troubling. Calling out stuff like this so it doesn't happen again is a valuable exercise.

85 posted on 11/27/2012 6:46:57 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

"I have no idea of the context or the point I was making in some random post from 2010. My track record of predictions is generally quite good because they are grounded in reality rather than wishful thinking."

You were making that argument repeatedly- which is why I still remember it so well. You can go around tooting your own horn- but some of us remember. It was your same old predictable argument... the Republicans are going to lose... yawn.

"The idea that we could "unskew" polls was just stupid. That ridiculous unskewedpolls website deserves to be laughed at."

I never posted anything from that site, or even mentioned that site- so why do you keep leveling this accusation at me? (Btw, the fact of the matter is that there was a rash of bad polling this year from many, many outfits- don't take my word for it- Obama's own internal pollsters admitted it). But all Conservatives are the same, blah, blah, and they're extremists, and removed from reality, etc., and they deserve to be despised, don't they Longbow1969?...

86 posted on 11/27/2012 7:31:40 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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I never posted anything from that site, or even mentioned that site- so why do you keep leveling this accusation at me?

Because that is what my original comment on this thread was - a joke about how silly it was to think polls could be "unskewed". You're the one that responded to me when I posted that.

But all Conservatives are the same, blah, blah, and they're extremists, and removed from reality, etc., and they deserve to be despised, don't they Longbow1969?...

Oh stop it. You sound ridiculous.

87 posted on 11/27/2012 8:16:27 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

"Because that is what my original comment on this thread was - a joke about how silly it was to think polls could be "unskewed". You're the one that responded to me when I posted that."

I was responding only because you were misinterpreting my original comment. Reading comprehension, man.

88 posted on 11/27/2012 8:51:56 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert
I was responding only because you were misinterpreting my original comment. Reading comprehension, man.

Listen sport, I responded to the original post with a joke about "unskewing" polls. It was a generic response. To which you attacked me personally by calling me a crypto-socialist and then a fraud. I did not attack you. Actually, I've been here a lot longer than you and I don't recall seeing your name or any of your posts. And you aren't getting anywhere acting like a jerk and attacking people personally because you don't agree with them.

89 posted on 11/27/2012 9:50:59 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

"Listen sport, I..."

Looking through some of your comments to other people on other threads, you seem like a very quarrelsome fellow. Some advice: chill out.

90 posted on 11/27/2012 7:41:33 PM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

$10 excise tax on movie tickets. $15 excise tax on DVDs. $2/track excise tax on music downloads. 20% gross revenue tax on movies. 15% excise on cable TV.


91 posted on 11/27/2012 7:45:01 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Jim Noble

Michael Moore thinks your tax ideas stink.


92 posted on 11/27/2012 8:38:07 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Qbert
Some advice: chill out.

When you attack other people and hurl insults you are usually going to get called out on it. Dial back the venom and you might find that people will be better able to tolerate you.

93 posted on 11/28/2012 8:23:49 AM PST by Longbow1969
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