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Left's Newest Inquisition: Deny Your God or Be Declared Unfit
Townhall.com ^ | November 26, 2012 | Shawn Mitchell

Posted on 11/26/2012 3:30:07 PM PST by Kaslin

Let the Blood Games continue.

Only weeks after election 2012 and years before election 2016, in a routine interview, a glossy pop magazine popped Florida Senator Marco Rubio with an oddball question: How old do you think the earth is? Rubio responded a bit clumsily and noncommittally. Smelling blood and opportunity, the wolf pack bared fangs and chased.

Their game is either to force Rubio to affirm a personal belief the earth is 4.5 billion years old—disturbing some of his religious supporters--or to mock and stigmatize him and others who could harbor any delusional uncertainty—damaging him with a different part of the electorate. 

The snarling pack imposes a totalitarian demand: No matter whether you’re intelligent, you engage the real world, you offer solutions to problems, and you attract and persuade citizens to support your vision and solutions; the pack demands to know if you have any hidden reserves of unsavory, illogical faith. Deny it or be tarred and marginalized.

The pack’s position, stretched to its logical end, amounts to demanding that politicians reject belief in God’s divinity and supremacy. That is, it countenances loyalty only to a god who exercises no will or power beyond passively upholding the principles set forth in Science 101.

Before reflecting why that is necessarily so, consider some of the other malignancies exposed by this flare up.

First is the premeditated bad faith of an upscale publication. The random question is untethered  from public policy, from issues in the US Senate, or measures Rubio might pursue. It arose from a singular goal unrelated to reporting current events: GQ wanted to conjure a killer question, something that might damage a popular potential GOP presidential candidate.  It’s easy to imagine the query came from a group brainstorm over lunch: “Think, people…how can we trip him?!”

Second on the list is the poisonous effect of unresting, perpetual attack machinery.  Scarcely had the interview hit GQ’s website and newsstands when it ricocheted across the blogosphere and commentariat, with sneers from the left and defenses from the right. Barack Obama is two months shy of putting his hand on the Bible for a second term. Yet, already an anticipated candidate for 2016 is under manufactured attack for how he might read that book’s teachings.

GQ forced the exchange, the left media took up the cudgel, and then a celebrity hack of liberal economics at the Grey Lady weighed in. Now, it’s volleyed about on social media. Is it any wonder so many ambitious politicians opt for the duck and cover art of saying nothing about anything? 

Ugliest of all is the totalitarian, anti-faith direction this attack takes our politics. A western Democratic organizer cited the GQ interview on her Facebook page to spread the smear. When I commented critically, a number of her friends suddenly appeared and pressed to know how old I think the earth is.

Their interest in getting a term-limited state lawmaker on record was surprising, but more troubling were their justifications for the question’s relevance: The earth’s age is determined by scientific measurements of carbon, radioactivity, and other phenomena. Those technologies also inform the operation of nuclear reactors, radiation therapy, and a host of other modern processes. If someone believes in a literal account of biblical creation, then he’s a threat to modernity and our comforts.

Oh, really? Do you see where this insanity goes?

Do you believe in the Virgin birth? Then how can we trust you with oversight of HHS programs and youth sexual education? If you won’t swear allegiance to the principles of biological reality and sexual autonomy then you are a freak and a menace.

Do you believe there was a purifying flood as the Bible describes? Is that established in the geologic record? How can you be trusted to oversee the Department of the Interior, the Geological Survey or BLM?

Did Moses part the Red Sea? You must be kept away from the National Weather Service.

Do you believe Jesus walked on the water to his disciples in the boat? Then how can you oversee a Navy that relies on conventional flotation physics to design its ships?

Do you believe He ascended after His resurrection? You are disqualified from commanding the Air Force: It relies on Newtonian physics for its understanding of aerodynamics.

Do you believe in resurrection at all? How can we trust you to make life and death decisions if you believe life is just a dress rehearsal and we all get a do over?

Only creativity limits the attacks on traditional faith and the grounds to exclude believers.

The gambit’s offensiveness and sinister portent is obvious. The canine-Pavlov types pursuing Rubio may understand the logical ends of their position or not. But the logic leads, whether they grasp or not.

So, let me hazard an answer to the GQ interviewer. It’s directed to the specific question, but adaptable to those that are sure to come.

Our best science says the earth is 4.5 billion years old. I don’t have a good reason to question that. I don’t know what a “day” is in the account of Creation. But I do believe in a God of miracles and mysteries. So I’m not going to scratch your inquisitional itch by denouncing anyone’s literal belief in the biblical account.

Does that trouble you? Why? I accept the laws of science and physics, and I admire the people who work to understand and reveal them. If, as a public official, I propose to substitute prayer for research, Bible verses for nuclear codes, or religious rites for rigorous testing, then, you can get concerned.

But until that point, the faith I hold somewhere in my mind and heart is between me and my God. If you want to force me to sign a loyalty oath denying it, you can go to Hell, figuratively speaking.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: rubio2016

1 posted on 11/26/2012 3:30:12 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The left is made of nothing but illogical faith


2 posted on 11/26/2012 3:32:22 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kaslin

The correct answer to such an obvious set-up question is, “The age of the Earth has no bearing on taking care of serious problems that face our nation and the world. Next question.”


3 posted on 11/26/2012 3:37:13 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: GeronL

Even scientists don’t KNOW the answer. I’ve read sources that put the age of the universe at 15 billion years. Why would our own solar system be a mere 4.5 billion? What was going on for 10.5 billion years before the earth was created?


4 posted on 11/26/2012 3:38:28 PM PST by boop ("I need another Cutty Sark"-LBJ)
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To: Kaslin

After 40 years of this lame game, any Christian or pro-life politician that can’t handle routine questions about his faith or his pro-life position, is clearly not qualified for the field of politics.


5 posted on 11/26/2012 3:38:28 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischers successful run in Nebraska)
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To: boop

dust swirlies


6 posted on 11/26/2012 3:40:20 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Marco Rubio was snagged on a “gotcha” question. At this point, anyone who is a target of such a question will have to be prepared to turn it around and ask the inquisitive one, “Have you stopped beating your wife?”

Of course, the inquisitive one may not HAVE a wife, but he might have a dog or a dear old sainted mother. Some fashion or another, it is obligatory to take it back to the busybody.


7 posted on 11/26/2012 3:40:35 PM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: SoldierDad

Good Answer, Good Answer! (said in a “Family Feud” tone of voice).

Mine would be something along the lines of “I’m not too concerned about when the Earth started - but I SURE am concerned about when this Nation of Liberty and Prosperity will end, and will do everything I can to prevent its demise.”


8 posted on 11/26/2012 3:42:35 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: SoldierDad
The correct answer to such an obvious set-up question is, “The age of the Earth has no bearing on taking care of serious problems that face our nation and the world. Next question.”

I'd go with "I can't say for sure. It was already there when I got here."

9 posted on 11/26/2012 3:43:29 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Kaslin
Yet, already an anticipated candidate for 2016 is under manufactured attack for how he might read that book’s teachings.

The book doesn't say that "bara" means "created," as in making something from nothing. In fact, the Hebrew root implies shaping a preexisting workpiece, producing chips or dust.

10 posted on 11/26/2012 3:46:10 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Kaslin
“Maybe you have now come to understand why we recently decided to further promulgate atheism. If we let theology from the West into China and empty us from the inside, if we let all Chinese people listen to God and follow God, who will obediently listen to us and follow us?”

From a speech by Comrade Chi Haotian
Vice-Chairman of China’s Military Commission, December, 2005

The problem you see, is that those on the left, like all other totalitarians, despise competition. Even among themselves.

11 posted on 11/26/2012 3:47:09 PM PST by Noumenon (As long as you have a rifle, you STILL have a vote.)
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To: SoldierDad
The correct answer to such an obvious set-up question is, “The age of the Earth has no bearing on taking care of serious problems that face our nation and the world. Next question.”

I'd go with "I can't say for sure. It was already there when I got here."

12 posted on 11/26/2012 3:48:22 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GeronL

I really don’t know how it matters what someones belief is about the age of the earth.

I am sure that carbon dating has its limits. God may be playing a cruel hoax where if they get close to that date the method goes haywire. There have been several instances where something in nature defies physics.

I don’t know how old the world is and I don’t care. I have to get to my next paycheck so the age of the earth does not concern me. Anyone who is bothered about someones belief in a young earth obviously has more money and time than I do.


13 posted on 11/26/2012 3:49:30 PM PST by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: pennyfarmer

I bet that most Americans don’t really care without the media trying to make it an issue


14 posted on 11/26/2012 3:52:01 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kaslin

Read the Catechism: Day 46
Part1:The Profession of Faith (26 - 1065)

Section2:The Profession of the Christian Faith (185 - 1065)

Chapter1:I Believe in God the Father (198 - 421)

Article1:”I believe in God the Father almighty, Creator of heaven and earth” (199 - 421)

Paragraph4:The Creator (279 - 324)

V. GOD CARRIES OUT HIS PLAN: DIVINE PROVIDENCE

302 Creation has its own goodness and proper perfection, but it did not spring forth complete from the hands of the Creator. The universe was created “in a state of journeying” (in statu viae) toward an ultimate perfection yet to be attained, to which God has destined it. We call “divine providence” the dispositions by which God guides his creation toward this perfection:

By his providence God protects and governs all things which he has made, “reaching mightily from one end of the earth to the other, and ordering all things well”. For “all are open and laid bare to his eyes”, even those things which are yet to come into existence through the free action of creatures.

303 The witness of Scripture is unanimous that the solicitude of divine providence is concrete and immediate; God cares for all, from the least things to the great events of the world and its history. The sacred books powerfully affirm God’s absolute sovereignty over the course of events: “Our God is in the heavens; he does whatever he pleases.” And so it is with Christ, “who opens and no one shall shut, who shuts and no one opens”. As the book of Proverbs states: “Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the LORD that will be established.”

304 And so we see the Holy Spirit, the principal author of Sacred Scripture, often attributing actions to God without mentioning any secondary causes. This is not a “primitive mode of speech”, but a profound way of recalling God’s primacy and absolute Lordship over history and the world, and so of educating his people to trust in him. The prayer of the Psalms is the great school of this trust.

305 Jesus asks for childlike abandonment to the providence of our heavenly Father who takes care of his children’s smallest needs: “Therefore do not be anxious, saying, “What shall we eat?” or “What shall we drink?”... Your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well.”


15 posted on 11/26/2012 3:52:01 PM PST by Mercat (Adventures make you late for dinner. Bilbo Baggins)
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To: GeronL

I just remembered that Rubio was a Mormon as a child. That question would be tough for any Mormon or ex-mormon. The Mormon faith is based in materialism much like Atheism. Matter has always existed and God just formed it into the earth.


16 posted on 11/26/2012 4:08:47 PM PST by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: Kaslin

Wasn’t it General Sheridan who taught us that the only good queer is a not living queer?


17 posted on 11/26/2012 4:15:33 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: tacticalogic
said, "I can't say for sure. It was already there when I got here."

That is how Ronald Reagen would answer

18 posted on 11/26/2012 4:17:11 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Kaslin

6000 years aprox. Binary Planet is an a unstable system and cannot last for very long at all. The farther from the earth, the weaker the gravity and it spins away, the nearer the stronger and it crashes into the earth in a short time.

Being lambasted by space debri insures that it will loose ballance if it was perfect to start.

million years? Impossible. At the current rate of spin away, will will not have a moon a Hundred thousan years from now.


19 posted on 11/26/2012 4:19:19 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SoldierDad

“The age of the earth is anything G-d wants it to be!”


20 posted on 11/26/2012 4:20:30 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
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To: boop

“Even scientists don’t KNOW the answer. I’ve read sources that put the age of the universe at 15 billion years. Why would our own solar system be a mere 4.5 billion? What was going on for 10.5 billion years before the earth was created?”

You might find if you read “The 12th. Planet” by Z. Sitchin an interesting answer to that question, it sure helped me with a lot of questions I had


21 posted on 11/26/2012 4:21:48 PM PST by munin
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To: Kaslin

The Bible is absolutely silent on the age of the earth and universe. Some ‘scholars’ have made their interpretations of what they believe the Bible indicates, however, it is still an assumption of what is meant. With the Bible silent on the age of the earth, the age of the universe, and life on other planets, they all can be whatever they turn out to be. As stated, even scientist do not agree on the age of the earth. So a simple I don’t know is perfectly acceptable to me.


22 posted on 11/26/2012 4:25:41 PM PST by dirtymac (Now is the for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: boop
I’ve read sources that put the age of the universe at 15 billion years. Why would our own solar system be a mere 4.5 billion? What was going on for 10.5 billion years before the earth was created?

New stars and galaxies are constantly forming; old stars and galaxies are constantly dying; we see this through telescopes. Our sun was not the first one formed.

23 posted on 11/26/2012 4:30:07 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Kaslin

The Earth is old enough for the United States to have accumulated $16 trillion dollars in debt and too young to support 47 million Americans on food stamps.

Next question.


24 posted on 11/26/2012 4:45:49 PM PST by BlueYonder
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To: SoldierDad
Maybe a better approach is to treat this question as merely pesky, and brush it off good-humouredly.

"I'm quite sure that it's a big number."

"How old do you think my shoes are?"

[Pointed] "How old do you think the First Amendment is?"

[Buckleyesque] "Why not ask yourself if your time is better spent asking that question of Prince Charles?"

25 posted on 11/26/2012 4:49:08 PM PST by danielmryan
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26 posted on 11/26/2012 4:50:00 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: BlueYonder

I’m still trying to figure out how old the planet Kolob is!


27 posted on 11/26/2012 4:53:06 PM PST by laweeks
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To: Kaslin
Doesn't this line of questioning also reveal why the decades-long focus of so-called "progressives" has been on ridding the nation's textbooks and public square of references to the terms of our Declaration of Independence, with its reference to four separate manifestations of a power higher than mere human power, as "Creator" and source of life, rights and liberty; as "the laws of Nature and of Nature's god"; as an ongoing "Divine Providence"; and as "Supreme judge of the world"?

These folks, with their determined and belittling censorship, reveal their fear of real "freedom of conscience," as protected by the First Amendment, and their devotion to a totalitarian ideology.

In the words of George Mason: "The laws of nature are the laws of God, whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth. A legislature must not obstruct our obedience to Him, from whose punishment they cannot protect us. All human laws which contradict His laws we are in conscience bound to disobey."

28 posted on 11/26/2012 5:02:48 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: SoldierDad

The correct answer is the earth is as old as it is.Now it depends on what the meaning of is is!


29 posted on 11/26/2012 5:15:19 PM PST by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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To: laweeks

>>I’m still trying to figure out how old the planet Kolob is!<<

As Ronald Reagan might have said: “I really don’t know. It was already there when I got there.” /humor


30 posted on 11/26/2012 5:34:58 PM PST by BlueYonder
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To: Kaslin
You turn it back on the journolist and humiliate them Alinsky style. It's the only way to win:
"How old do you think it is? In the 1790's John Phillips said it was 96 million years old.

In 1862, Lord Kelvin said it was between 20 million and 400 million years old.

In 1856, physicist Hermann von Helmholtz said it was 22 million.

In 1892, astronomer Simon Newcomb said it was 18 million years old.

Soon after Newcomb, Charles Darwin's son George, an astronomer, said the earth was 56 million years old.

In 1911, physicist Arthur Holmes labeled a rock sample from Ceylon to be 1.6 billion years old, and in 1927 presented his range of the earth's age to be 1.6 to 3.0 billion years old.

In the 1940s, Holmes had a change of heart and along with E.K. Gerling and Fritz Houtermans, began to measure lead isotopes in meteorites, of course, to determine the age of the earth.

Thusly after Houterman dated the Canyon Diablo meteorite, he placed the earth's age at 4.5 billion years, give or take 300 million years.

So in the span of 220 years, "science" has moved the target from 95 million years to 5 times that, to 50 times that -- with enough waggle room in the latter to accomodate the first 5 guessers, er, scientists.

Lord Kelvin was convinced he was right. Holmes knew he was right. Houtermans knew he was right. So in another 220 years, what will be the new age of the earth?

So I ask you again journolist, how old do you think it is?"


31 posted on 11/26/2012 6:28:19 PM PST by StAnDeliver (Own It.)
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To: Kaslin; wideawake; KC_Lion
[sarcasm]Oh, but you don't understand. It's alright to believe anything just so long as it isn't recorded in those awful first eleven chapters of Genesis! It doesn't matter that every other religious "miracle" is equally impossible--Genesis 1-11 is "trailer trash theology" and it has to be treated much more harshly than anything else![/sarcasm]

Seriously, when have you heard any politician called on the carpet for believing any other religious content than Genesis 1-11?

32 posted on 11/26/2012 7:12:45 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Kaslin

MSM now has a mission to oppose God. Evil.


33 posted on 11/26/2012 7:22:55 PM PST by Taggart_D
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To: StAnDeliver
The age of 4.5 billion years is based on a meteorite from Canyon Diablo?

The devil must have put it there. Is Canyon Diablo close to U.S. Hwy. 666?

34 posted on 11/26/2012 7:40:55 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Kaslin

Since Obama claims to be a Christian, why not ask him and get the “authoritative” answer - I’m sure this one isn’t “above his pay grade”...


35 posted on 11/27/2012 5:14:17 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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