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Anger as Hungary far-right leader demands lists of Jews (Jobbik)
Reuters ^ | Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:26pm EST | Marton Dunai

Posted on 11/27/2012 11:35:07 AM PST by Olog-hai

A Hungarian far-right politician urged the government to draw up lists of Jews who pose a “national security risk”, stirring outrage among Jewish leaders who saw echoes of fascist policies that led to the Holocaust.

Marton Gyongyosi, a leader of Hungary’s third-strongest political party Jobbik, said the list was necessary because of heightened tensions following the brief conflict in Gaza and should include members of parliament.

Opponents have condemned frequent anti-Semitic slurs and tough rhetoric against the Roma minority by Gyongyosi’s party as populist point scoring ahead of elections in 2014. …

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; eussr; hungary; israel; jews; jobbik
Thanks to the liberal press and “academics”, fascism gets pegged as “far right” merely because it opposed communism and tried to pander to religious people, especially state religions.

That does not negate the danger by entities such as Jobbik, but puts them in their proper perspective. Jobbik are the backers of the modern-day version of the Hungarian Guard; they’ also in cahoots with those Hungarian police unions who called for “armed battle against the Jews” back in 2009.

(Ever notice that the stronger the EU gets, the more we hear from such people? Hungary is not populated by Muslims to the same degree as other European countries—they are 0.6 percent of the population.)
1 posted on 11/27/2012 11:35:15 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

How many Jews are left in Hungary? 12? 15? Anti-semitism without Jews.


2 posted on 11/27/2012 11:38:15 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein

About.com cites 2005 figures of about 50,000 out of a country of well over 9 million total population. So this means that Hungary’s police unions are bizarrely and overly concerned with foreign policy that is hostile to Israel.


3 posted on 11/27/2012 11:46:00 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

of course, they use the term “far right” in this country to try and link conservatives to them.

American conservatives are not “far right”


4 posted on 11/27/2012 11:48:44 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Meanwhile, it’s the liberal politicians here that are more in favor of corporate welfare and state intervention in business, which echoes fascist policies. (When I say “liberal”, of course I exclude party names, which have become meaningless.)


5 posted on 11/27/2012 11:54:38 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Demonstrating once again that we learn nothing from history. I’ll bet these lads are a bunch of dummies with beer bellies.


6 posted on 11/27/2012 12:01:51 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Olog-hai

BUMP

“Liberals” in this country ARE the fascists


7 posted on 11/27/2012 12:07:35 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Olog-hai
Thanks to the liberal press and “academics”, fascism gets pegged as “far right” merely because it opposed communism and tried to pander to religious people, especially state religions.

Have we not also heard the hard core communists being called "ultra conservative"?

Their slander continues day and night with no concern for veracity nor even consistency.

8 posted on 11/27/2012 12:25:56 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: Olog-hai; GeronL

Agreed, Olog-hai. IMO, we’re seeing bipartisan politics gradually resembling European “right wing” activities more than American conservatism. All are socialists, trying to tighten more against freedoms and looking for other groups to blame for their own evil deeds each term. The now-mostly-unemployed remnant of real, private sector “producers” are being circled as in a fishbowl, by political regulators and their eyes and ears (government-linked gossips). New competition is virtually outlawed (piles upon piles of zoning “laws,” “impact fees,” other environmental and social hindrances).

For example, men who worked in the private sector with steel, wood, etc., are outlawed, even from starting their own small production operations. Able bodied men are often commented upon in politics as being both the evil “union” members (nearly extinct in the private, non-government-linked manufacturing sector—union and non-union) and sexists. Meanwhile, government-employed unions are promised more hiring from all sides in politics (see Romney: “hire” more public school “teachers”).

As frightful as tradesmen are—especially with families—the consequences of shunting them from the economy will continue to mount, until those problems are remedied. There’s nothing conservative about worshiping the earth, worshiping animals, fearing environmental/population bogeymen, building an anti-technical regime, perpetuating vices (pot legalization/rehab/fines/family-busting/prison-rackets), being sexually confused or collaborating with communist enemies to put down the American economy. Yet, here we are. See the political parties. See so much water under the bridge with linguistic activism supporting social pathologies and robberies.

As for the remaining (non)labor unions, even they are feminized, sexually confused and pagan in regards to environmental fears/delusions/propaganda. [Actually, environmentalism is most often used to prevent new and truly productive competition.] In sum, we’re morally bankrupt and are going to pay the price with a much worse economy, more losses of freedom and other worsening conditions.

Many more won’t realize what’s happening, until they’re also deposed by austerity measures to join Americans unemployed from the real private sector (real: that is, once in real production). It’s been raining middle class people, and there are no more major Ponzi schemes to prop them up—only the rising pile of debt made possible by the internationally declining dollar. There’s no magic trick for sustainable revenues. Manufacturing is needed, and millions of new, unspoiled families are needed in manufacturing.

As for the fascists in Hungary, fascists throughout history have talked much about work. But they know little of real work. They propagandize (as with ancient Rome and the new Rome of the west), while they look for victims to falsely blame and rob. But you know. all of that will come to an end someday.

But no general, overall problem. Such rotten structures are eventually gone because of their own weight and weakness, to be rebuilt by the morally and technically inclined.


9 posted on 11/27/2012 12:31:37 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

BUMP/ to all of that


10 posted on 11/27/2012 12:35:16 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Olog-hai

These aren’t far right, they’re despot-wannabe’s with a clear agenda of government control of everything in society; in short, these goons are democrats.


11 posted on 11/27/2012 12:59:04 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: familyop

Beautifully, brilliantly said. Thank you!!!


12 posted on 11/27/2012 1:27:23 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Olog-hai

Doesn’t matter whether he’s conservative, martian or a no-handicap golfer. That boy needs to be taken out and hung for even such a suggestion. I’m waiting to see what Freepers defend him.


13 posted on 11/27/2012 2:14:17 PM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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About 12,000 official Jews, though the "real" number may be several times that. Down from just under a half million last century.

14 posted on 11/27/2012 4:19:20 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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About 12,000 official Jews, though the "real" number may be several times that. Down from just under a half million last century.

15 posted on 11/27/2012 4:19:44 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

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About 12,000 official Jews, though the "real" number may be several times that. Down from just under a half million last century.

16 posted on 11/27/2012 4:20:38 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: Olog-hai; miss marmelstein

Note post 14 (and 15 and 16, not my fault). Religion is a census issue, and the number comes in just under 13,000. The higher numbers are estimates using other methods of determining who is a Jew than the answer on the census.


17 posted on 11/27/2012 4:25:00 PM PST by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: SJackson

You bad cossack. How dare you wave your sword around like that. Do you want to hurt somebody?


18 posted on 11/27/2012 4:38:22 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Olog-hai

When discussing Jobbik it is hard not to bring up the Nazis or their lackeys, the Arrow Cross Party. Jobbik happily betrays Western Civilization, Europe, and Hungary to get support from Shia Islamists from Iran, and the Muslim Brotherhood, which was allied with the Nazis . Jews have lived in what is now Hungary before the Magyars invaded Pannonia and the Carpathian Basin. I’m not sure there is a future for them in Hungary.


19 posted on 11/27/2012 7:31:35 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: miss marmelstein
0.1% of Hungarians are practising Jews.

Anti-S in this environment doesn't make any sense to me.

20 posted on 11/28/2012 3:01:44 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

There is a theory about anti-Semitism without Jews. Looney, I know, but you can probably google some articles on it.


21 posted on 11/28/2012 4:37:33 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
ok, now I understand the reasons behind poast Trianon (after 1918) hungarian anti-Semitism -- to understand it, you need to understand the name "Béla Kun"

This guy was the leader of the Hungarian Soviet Republic which lasted from 1919 to 1920 when communists took over Hungary

What's Bela got to do with Hungarian anti-semitism? well, his father was of Jewish origin (and his mother was a former Calvinist) -- no one cared that he was educated at the Calvinist college etc., but they care that his original surname was Kohen

The revolution's leaders were all, except for one of Jewish ancestry -- Bela Kun, Tibor Szamuely, Jeno Landler -- key note: ancestry

The presence of these people identified as Jews (though in reality they were part or less of Jewish origin and none were practising, leave alone believing Jews) was a reason to create the notion of a Jewish-Bolshevik conspiracy (note that it was the same in Russia where Trostsky was of Jewish origin as was 15% of the Bolshevik party)

They also have the historical grievance of the fall of Budapest when Ibrahim Pasha, the vizier of Suleiman came to Buda, the city Jews (who were the only ones left in the city) came and begged for grace and handed the keys of the castle -- yes, this was a token gesture as the castle was already deserted, but it's still noted as "the ... gave the keys of Budapest to the Turks"

note though that the "White" leader Admiral Horthy refused to send Hungarian Jews to German death camps until the Germans occupied Hungary

Note also that there were large numbers of people of Jewish origin in the communist government of Matyas Rakosi (1948-1954), further exacerbating the myth of the Jewish-Bolshevik link

People would also need to note that the head of the secret police, Peter Gabor and the Premier Gero had jewish backgrounds yet had anti-semitic sentiments

So, this background of associating Jews with the evils of communism has fuelled modern-day anti-semitism in Hungary

22 posted on 11/28/2012 7:18:03 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Olog-hai

I have a great idea: Israel can deport all those “palestinians” to Hungary. They can help Hungarian Nazis defend “western civilization” from the big bad Jews.


23 posted on 11/28/2012 7:23:17 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Cronos
They also have the historical grievance of the fall of Budapest when Ibrahim Pasha, the vizier of Suleiman came to Buda, the city Jews (who were the only ones left in the city) came and begged for grace and handed the keys of the castle -- yes, this was a token gesture as the castle was already deserted, but it's still noted as "the ... gave the keys of Budapest to the Turks"
The members of Jobbik love Muslims. They say nothing about Muslim immigration to Europe and are happy when Islamsits kill Americans and Jews. As I said, they are traitors to Hungary and the West. The members of my father's extended family killed by the Nazis were better than these swine. (And these Jews were temporarily forced to flee Hungary by Kuhn's antisemitic communists).
24 posted on 11/28/2012 7:43:49 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew

true. I’m not justifying them, just pointing out what they are using to build up this non-sensical anti-semitism.


25 posted on 11/28/2012 10:17:02 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: rmlew
Quite frankly, as I said above, I can see the sentiment that Jobbik is playing into, but I don't see how anti-semitism makes any sense at all in modern-day Hungary. There are 12,000 Jews there (don't know how many are practising, but I'd bet most are not Hassidic and fit utterly in Hungarian society) and probably many have part Jewish blood.

These numbers are insignificant to bring up a fake conspiracy theory. They could just as well talk about Martians trying to destroy Hungary

The pro-Islamic outlook is another piece of stupidity by these people, though that's putting it mildly.

But what else can you expect from people who rant against a group of Hungarians (Hungarian Jews) who are hardly even visible and are a tiny fraction of society?

26 posted on 11/28/2012 11:08:46 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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