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Female military members sue to serve in combat
Associated Press ^ | Nov. 27, 2012 | PAUL ELIAS

Posted on 11/27/2012 11:40:56 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Four female military service members have filed a lawsuit challenging the Pentagon's ban on women serving in combat.

The lawsuit was filed in federal court in San Francisco Tuesday and is the second such federal challenge filed by female service members this year.

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1 posted on 11/27/2012 11:41:01 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Of course, the ACLU won’t argue they also be subjct to the draft or same PT requirements.


2 posted on 11/27/2012 11:41:54 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The military has become another social organization apparently


3 posted on 11/27/2012 11:44:42 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Fine, put them up front and let the taliban have at em.


4 posted on 11/27/2012 11:45:40 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The fact that sports is still segregated by sex should be an indicator.

If all things are equal between the sexes how come more females aren’t playing in the NFL?


5 posted on 11/27/2012 11:46:49 AM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

And how do we know if they are women or were women or were men at one time >>!?


6 posted on 11/27/2012 11:46:49 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: TurboZamboni

And meeting the men’s standards should not be optional.
I was fine with separate physical standards when womenz wanted to be nurses, etc.

Make it mandatory for ALL females to pass the men’s standards, regardless of branch or MOS. Why should they get a choice no man gets?


7 posted on 11/27/2012 11:49:01 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE; TurboZamboni

” Make it mandatory for ALL females to pass the men’s standards, regardless of branch or MOS. “

It will never happen.


8 posted on 11/27/2012 11:50:56 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Social engineering or national defense, which is the purpose of our military?


9 posted on 11/27/2012 11:55:24 AM PST by elhombrelibre
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To: SJSAMPLE

I’ll believe they’re combat equals when they:

1) pass the same PT test
2) have to sign up for the draft
3) get deployed to the front lines in equal #’s
4) die in equal #’s


10 posted on 11/27/2012 11:55:59 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: elhombrelibre

I bet they’d get a lot of medals for “Courageous Restraint”


11 posted on 11/27/2012 11:59:22 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: SJSAMPLE
"Make it mandatory for ALL females to pass the men’s standards"

That's probably where the START for women in Combat will be allowed....but you KNOW how that will be followed by ACLU claims of "disproportionate representation" (such as with school test scores), and pretty soon the bar will be lowered so that if you can stand upright, you pass the PT exam.....

Limp-wrists and rug-munchers are ALREADY joining the military to have fun, so we can complete the sissyfying by watering down the military even further.

Who wants their daughter to be the next sole woman on a submarine??????

12 posted on 11/27/2012 12:00:15 PM PST by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This is such crap. They aren’t needed or wanted there. In the post Vietnam era, the last lawsuit about the draft was brought by a male who said it was discriminatory that he had to register but women didn’t.
The last federal court ruling was that it was not discriminatory because women were barred by law from serving in combat roles.

The minute one of these women wins a lawsuit, that protection is gone.

Everyone thinks it’s about the few that could hack it in that position. But what it really does is subject EVERY American girl is subject to any future draft. The girls that wanted to date the quarterback and not BE the quarterback, will all be potentail draftees. It’s insane.
For extra fun, this is mostly about women officers who need those assignments for further promotions.

Dance around it all you want. Infantry combat is a male game. And no matter how many Hollywood fantasy movies imply otherwise, the testosterone fueled world of infantrymen isn’t meant to be lead by women.


13 posted on 11/27/2012 12:00:35 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I’m sure they also sued to equalize the Physical Fitness Test.

Also, can they perform a combat carry of a wounded soldier?


14 posted on 11/27/2012 12:01:03 PM PST by glorgau
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To: driftdiver

“Fine, put them up front and let the taliban have at em.”

Maybe the women can interview the Taliban and ask a lot of dumb questions like the affirmative action chicks on the NFL broadcasts.


15 posted on 11/27/2012 12:02:23 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: glorgau
Just use ADA standards and give them golf carts to haul off the wounded.

Then call it a “reasonable accommodation”.

16 posted on 11/27/2012 12:03:46 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Ground combat is pretty raw, violent and terrifying. I wouldn’t want to have had women along in Vietnam.


17 posted on 11/27/2012 12:06:29 PM PST by onedoug
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To: forgotten man

I normally would never say that about an American. However these chicks are putting themselves above their Country and their fellow military members.


18 posted on 11/27/2012 12:08:52 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TurboZamboni

They’re not looking for equality.
They want the benefits, with none of the sacrifices.


19 posted on 11/27/2012 12:09:28 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: DesertRhino

“And no matter how many Hollywood fantasy movies imply otherwise, the testosterone fueled world of infantrymen isn’t meant to be lead by women.”

I agree, however, look around you; fantasy is fast becoming the new reality. When the old true reality finally re-surfaces, as it must, the wake up is not going to be pretty.


20 posted on 11/27/2012 12:12:29 PM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: driftdiver

Really. I don’t see a problem here. Give them the same gear that the men get, and send them out on patrol for 30 days to make contact with the Taliban.


21 posted on 11/27/2012 12:16:27 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Must...pass...ugly...test...


22 posted on 11/27/2012 12:17:12 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: TurboZamboni

For all the propaganda, most women in the war are “combat tourists”, similar to Paula Broadwell. They dress up, hog easy assignments that men could sometimes have, for some rest. (ask a USN Corpsman with the Marine platoons when he might expect to get an assignment to a hospital on a Navy base)
There are all kinds of qualified biographers who can even WRITE their own books at West Point. Think any of them had the sightest chance to do the Paula Broadwell VIP tour of Afganistan? They get nothing BUT special advantages.

They show up in some assignment, pose for the obligatory “im in a war” photo with an M4 and wearing shiny looking combat gear. There is always a big wall in the background because they are inside the base.
(like that sole photo of AlGore in Vietnam, any grunt could instantly see that it looked like the first time he had ever seen a rifle and his uniform looked brand new)

Another fun part, well known in the military,, is that anytime things really start to suck, or no fun, they can get pregnant and pop a smoke to get outta there. Males have no escape like that. It’s used frequently.

And the rare methods of blowing off steam are all now gone. Liberty call is no longer a good time, far from home, designed for entertaining men at war. Now it has to be done to placate the sensibilities of the women of the sexual harrassment generation. Drinking, bar girls, maybe some minor scrapes with the local law, etc,,all replaced with wholesome things, volleyball tourneys, cultural tours, etc.


23 posted on 11/27/2012 12:22:32 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I wonder if these Broads have ever seen the Blood and Guts of combat, mainly yours. It is not pretty and you can't get your hair done after.
24 posted on 11/27/2012 12:27:45 PM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

As long as we persist in this materialist/statist where the State is the supreme power we will continue to see this decline of our once Catholic society.I say catholic because there is no agreement in what constitutes christian philosophy. Before the Reformation there was the Church and society, while certain not perfect(it never will be), was organized toward the salvation of souls. What is the organizing philosophy behind our current society? Certainly not the salvation of souls.


25 posted on 11/27/2012 12:28:57 PM PST by RichardMoore (There is only one issue- Life: dump TV and follow a plant based diet)
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To: Enterprise

A former neighbor gal was a medic and served at a base in Iraq. When she was sent to Afghanistan she requested to be out on patrols so she could help our guys, rather than the locals that would show up at the base.

She did two tours in Afghanistan on patrols - and was in high demand. (She is beautiful too which may have helped!). She said that having a female along also allowed her to treat the women in villages who were likelier to “like” the Americans, warn them about the enemy, etc.

I don’t think she was in a primary combat team - seemed like more getting out into the various villages to have their presence known. Although her mom would ask “Are you getting shot at?”

“I’m not going to talk about it, but Mom - we’re walking through the middle of fricken’ AFGHANISTAN!”


26 posted on 11/27/2012 12:31:02 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: 21twelve
I admire your former neighbor, believe me.

The war in Iraq, for the most part, basically was a combat experience for all. There were any number of females who were killed by hostile fire, and a lot of females who shot it out with the enemy. I realize this isn't the same as being a platoon leader going house to house searching out the enemy, or driving a tank. I just think assigning women to primary combat roles is "fodder for slaughter."

27 posted on 11/27/2012 12:38:15 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: 21twelve

One other thing, and it might not mean much today. But during the Viet Nam war, women were a highly visible presence in the anti-war demonstrations. Young men their own age were being killed by the tens of thousands, and I don’t recall a huge demand by women to be drafted so they could be sent into combat.


28 posted on 11/27/2012 12:43:06 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Women in the Infantry = All women in the draft. Fair is fair. No exceptions. Overweight woman with six kids? It’s a cruel world out there when everything’s fair. Most women have been sitting on the sidelines on this. Nope. Your little girls can be in the Infantry, whether they want to be or not. I’ve always thought that there were too many male casualties. 50% of our population is female, so 50% of our casualties should be female. Fair is fair. It’s going to be tough when Heather catches one between the eyes from a sniper, but who wants grand kids anyway? Welcome to the Infantry ladies. Turns out Starship Troopers was fiction, huh?


29 posted on 11/27/2012 12:48:57 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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30 posted on 11/27/2012 12:50:48 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: GeronL
The military has become another social organization apparently

The US military is what is standing in the way of global socialist utopia.

The solution is to chickify it beyond all recognition.

31 posted on 11/27/2012 12:54:10 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Labor unions are the Communist Party of the USA.)
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To: PeteB570
If all things are equal between the sexes how come more females aren’t playing in the NFL?

You can't possibly equate direct contact sports with modern combat situations.

If feminists were genuine, females would've been subject to the draft decades ago.

32 posted on 11/27/2012 1:04:45 PM PST by newzjunkey (revue)
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To: 21twelve

Not every war will be Afghanistan. Cruising around in a hummer handing out snacks to the kids is a world away from

“THEY’RE THROUGH THE WIRE!”

“I’M OUT OF AMMO!”

“ONLINE! ONLINE! FIX BAYONETS! CHARGE!”

Good luck, Brittney.


33 posted on 11/27/2012 1:12:47 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

bump


34 posted on 11/27/2012 1:17:10 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: newzjunkey

Women should not be serving in the military with men.

Yes: I am sure someone can come up with a great story about some fighting woman, some great woman who was super human, but the fact is that the averag woman does not belong in the military.

Nor in the Police or Fire Departments of America, and damned sure not in a mans prison as a guard./

Yes I have seen the women working for the State Road. 90% of them as flag people while others do the hard work.


35 posted on 11/27/2012 1:17:50 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Enterprise

wait until they are unionized


36 posted on 11/27/2012 1:20:22 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: newzjunkey

“You can’t possibly equate direct contact sports with modern combat situations.”

Sounds like you may never have been a grunt?

And i can imagine nothing sicker than drafting women. If you do a random selection of boys, you get mostly kids who are are temperamentally suited for being a soldier.
If you draft girls randomly, you will get a large numbers who were in the school choir, took ballet lessons, played with dolls, and did not ever grow up wishing to be the high School Quarterback.
It’s depraved to force them into the military.

And even if you force them in, congrats. You just took the keepers of our homes, and damaged them such that they will never be the same. And a related sickness is when they leave their kids to do it. Utterly depraved to send a mother to a war.


37 posted on 11/27/2012 1:40:00 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: George from New England

“And how do we know if they are women or were women or were men at one time >>!?”

And if a soldier, a “man” born as a woman were to come under heavy fire, etc, would the woman’s natural instincts overtake the soldier’s instinct to react according to training?


38 posted on 11/27/2012 1:59:27 PM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: blueunicorn6
Not every war will be Afghanistan

Try Iraq, pinned down, cutoff, and surrounded 360 degrees while taking heavy enemy fire, while the LT calls in 155 all around your pos with arty shrap blowing in through the windows.....and all because you're down to -100 rnds per 240G (both), no belted SAW ammo, no hand grenades, no 203 40mm grenades, no SMAW rockets, no AT4s, and trading out magazines because your buddy went "winchester" and there's still a whole f###ton of muj out there.

And 26/45 men were wounded in a day from that one platoon. Closest I ever thought we'd come to "fix bayonets."

39 posted on 11/27/2012 3:02:39 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Repeat Offender

Damn...where/when was that?


40 posted on 11/27/2012 3:07:49 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Candy Store, 10-11 November 2004 - Al Fallujah, Iraq. 1st Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment, Alpha Company, 1st Platoon.

"No True Glory" by Bing West and "Fallujah With Honor" by Gary Livingston detail it out rather well.

"D-Day: Shootout in Fallujah" on the Military Chanel does an okay job on it too.

41 posted on 11/27/2012 3:12:03 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Also, go to my "about" page an click the link--

"Sometimes 'he needed killin' other times, 'the whole damn city needed killin'"

42 posted on 11/27/2012 3:13:41 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Repeat Offender

Ah. A couple of years before my time. We drove through Fallujah on our way to Baghdad from Mosul. One half looked like a normal haji town, the other half was pretty much razed to the ground.

Must’ve been a hell of a fight.


43 posted on 11/27/2012 3:15:16 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater
It was. Every NCO and above (all E-4 and up in the MC) was given "ByDir" authority to call arty, air strikes, tanks, etc. They shoot, drop weapons, and run into a mosque?

Thank goodness for artillery. JDAMS are also nice this time of year.

One of the adjacent infantry units used D9 bulldozers to "clear" houses - literally.

44 posted on 11/27/2012 3:23:23 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Repeat Offender
They shoot, drop weapons, and run into a mosque?

IIRC, ya'll were allowed to attack mosques in Fallujah, right? I remember a USMC field grade (or general?) telling the press that every single mosque the Marines entered was held sizable weapons caches.

One of the adjacent infantry units used D9 bulldozers to "clear" houses - literally.

Now that's awesome. I used one of my Strykers to plow through a school's gate when we started taking sniper fire from the school's second floor. Definitely a wonderful method of entry/clearing. I can only imagine what that looks like with houses and D9s!

45 posted on 11/27/2012 3:31:14 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Repeat Offender

Ty Pennington’s in the reserves? Who knew?


46 posted on 11/27/2012 3:35:27 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Yes, if there was enemy activity in them we were allowed to destroy (not just return fire or enter) - destroy mosques, schools, clinics etc. With the exception of one, and that was the Hydra Mosque, which you can see (Charlie Co?) rushing to clear it in the video.

If you watch it and see the machine gun shooting at the apartment building and then the M1A1 launch the main gun twice......that is my gun team on the 240G - there were about 4-6 muj on each floor that you don't see in the video. The tank used our tracers to 'trace' the target.

And every time the topic is brought up about chicks in the grunts, I remember how glad I am they weren't with us.

For the D9s, I think it was 3/1 - they just straight up plowed the houses over. I know they killed a few haji by running them over with the dozers.

Supposedly, one (probably shot up on adrenaline or Iraqi meth) jumped off a balcony onto a D9.....the driver knocked him off with the blade and then cut him in two with it. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, war is a gruesome thing.

47 posted on 11/27/2012 3:44:35 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Repeat Offender

Thank you for your service. Sounds pretty hairy.


48 posted on 11/27/2012 4:01:42 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

Thank you.


49 posted on 11/27/2012 4:07:18 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: newzjunkey

I’m not.

I’m simply pointing out that if the females think they are equal then why aren’t more of them playing in the NFL.

The reason would be that the NFL is based on individual performance - nowhere to hide on the playing field.

Females may “win” the opportunity to serve in Combat Units by way of the courts - but there will be nobody watching when their physical performance in the field will have to be covered by others.


50 posted on 11/27/2012 4:19:53 PM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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