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A Constitutional Opening - opting out of Medicaid mandate alternative to secession
National Review Online ^ | November 28, 2012 | Paul Moreno

Posted on 11/28/2012 5:09:42 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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1 posted on 11/28/2012 5:09:50 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This legal jargen article is so far beyond my understanding and being that it is so early in the morning, I can't even conjure enough interest to follow the dam thing.
2 posted on 11/28/2012 5:21:01 AM PST by classified
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Another wonderful opportunity for the States to stand and declare “Amendment No. 10”!!!


3 posted on 11/28/2012 5:21:20 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
And opting out of the mandate is a constitutionally orthodox alternative to secession.

Obamacare is but one of many reasons to seriously consider secession.

4 posted on 11/28/2012 5:22:49 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: classified
....This legal jargen article is so far beyond my understanding and being that it is so early in the morning, I can't even conjure enough interest to follow the dam thing

It WILL GRAB your interest if you read it slowly for content.

It's a beautiful thing.

5 posted on 11/28/2012 5:24:43 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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Obamacare is but one of many reasons to seriously consider secession.”

...exactly! It’s in the top 3 but socialist judges, global warming taxes, abolishing IRA’s and literally hundreds of others. We’ve been so overwhelmed with heinous activity by this regime, I doubt that many can remember specifically the crimes against this nation and it’s citizens.


6 posted on 11/28/2012 5:34:35 AM PST by albie
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Arguing points of law with thugs.


7 posted on 11/28/2012 5:38:31 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is great news. As long as residents can’t cross State lines to get Medicaid from another State.


8 posted on 11/28/2012 5:41:40 AM PST by Wolfie
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In a nutshell, the author argues -

However, it is also likely that it could not survive if a large number of states refused to go along with the Medicaid mandate. And opting out of the mandate is a constitutionally orthodox alternative to secession.

Which entirely misses the point, IMHO.

The States can 'opt out' of the mandate all day long, but their citizens will STILL be increasingly 'drained of their sustenance' via the illegitimate income tax.

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THE primary duty of the States is to protect their Citizens, even if it means the only way to protect them from the feral federal government is to leave.

"If every infraction of a compact of so many parties is to be resisted at once as a dissolution, none can ever be formed which would last one year. We must have patience and longer endurance then with our brethren while under delusion; give them time for reflection and experience of consequences; keep ourselves in a situation to profit by the chapter of accidents; and separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left are the dissolution of our Union with them or submission to a government without limitation of powers. Between these two evils, when we must make a choice, there can be no hesitation. But in the meanwhile, the States should be watchful to note every material usurpation on their rights; to denounce them as they occur in the most peremptory terms; to protest against them as wrongs to which our present submission shall be considered, not as acknowledgments or precedents of right, but as a temporary yielding to the lesser evil, until their accumulation shall overweigh that of separation."
Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles

9 posted on 11/28/2012 5:42:34 AM PST by MamaTexan (In Propria Persona)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Just say NO to socialism.

Opt out.


10 posted on 11/28/2012 5:46:44 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: MamaTexan; All

That’s a good conclusion pull quote (I used part of it for my title tease) but since the arguement isn’t terribly long or difficult to follow — a read of the entire article really explains it properly.


11 posted on 11/28/2012 5:50:04 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

One of the very first reasons for the original 13 colonies to band together was to strenghten their capacity to protect overseas trade. This enhanced the revenue flows to each colony.

Each state will be evaluating the financial utility of its relationship to DC as it increasingly expects to be served rather than to serve.


12 posted on 11/28/2012 5:52:02 AM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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BTW...there is a little tidbit in there that is worth pondering...

“It picks up 90 percent of the tab for the early years of the program — an offer the states could not refuse, Congress assumed.)”

the fact that the state legislatures could see past this ...and that Federal legislature could not...is a testament to the corrupt lobbying process on K St in DC-which perverts the eyes and minds of whom and that which We the People pay to “look after OUR interests”....


13 posted on 11/28/2012 6:01:47 AM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: hopespringseternal
"Arguing points of law with thugs."

Agree. Obama has so many ways to motivate or punish states that don't comply. If a state does not cooperate, how many other Federal programs suddenly don't operate for that state, emergencies don't get funded, key officials get special attention from the IRS, DOJ, etc. Also, the collapse of Obamacare, after it destroys the private insurance industry and drastically damages the health care industry, is a goal. Then in the ensuing chaos, Obama will offer single payer and government run facilities.

14 posted on 11/28/2012 6:02:23 AM PST by Truth29
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To: hopespringseternal

You’ve got a point there.

These folks are absolutely lawless. They passed 0bamacare around the law, so it’s rather ignorant of those still attempting to use the law to thwart them.


15 posted on 11/28/2012 6:05:41 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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We’ll get single payer when Big Business can no longer carry the insurance load and demands it.


16 posted on 11/28/2012 8:36:27 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

IOW - once the feds get you hooked, it can’t turn off the tap...


17 posted on 11/28/2012 9:50:37 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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Arguing points of law with thugs.

Which is why it won't work in the end. Power will work, not law.

18 posted on 11/28/2012 11:25:52 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Big Business WANTS nationalized health care.

It shifts the costs to the workers, not the companies. Many companies are lobbying for it.

19 posted on 11/28/2012 11:28:44 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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That’s what I said.


20 posted on 11/29/2012 3:56:59 AM PST by Wolfie
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