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To: John Galt's cousin; Smokin' Joe
It is a matter of semantics.

I think the semantics matter. If you push the idea that an order was given to 'stand down' when no such order is necessary and when it wouldn't even be considered an order if the POTUS denied requests for a CBA and rescue attempt you set up an easy rebuttal for 0bama's defenders.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the assets were in motion preparing to receive an order to go.

How the military preps.

How an embassy rescue works.

Cross Border Authority.

26 posted on 11/29/2012 12:04:51 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye
Yes, there is a subtle difference between not giving the necessary order to proceed (default state NO-GO) and giving an order to stand down (default state GO).

One is misfeasance, the other is treason (or about as close as it gets) and there is a difference. Only Treason is a hanging offense.

27 posted on 11/29/2012 4:15:18 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: TigersEye; SmokingJoe; Travis McGee

“If you push the idea that an order was given to ‘stand down’ when no such order is necessary...”

There is a huge misunderstanding here. A stand down order to rhe MILITARY was never issued for exactly the reason we have been saying all along. If obama wasn’t there or had already refused CBA, no stand down order would have been necessary because they could not have proceeded without authority from the o.

BUT, an order to stand down WAS given THREE TIMES to the EX SEALs who requested permission to go to the aid of Chris Stevens and Sean Smith. THAT order has been terribly misconstrued by the press as well as almost everyone who seeks to ignore that simple fact.

They have taken the order given to the SEALs and extended it to the entire military which has conveniently overlooked the FACT that Ham has already stated that there was no military response because NONE WAS REQUESTED OR ORDERED BY ANYONE.

These are two completely separate facts which have been mistakenly, or maybe NOT so mistakenly, combined as if that order to stand down was actually issued to the military, but it wasn’t.

And then, to conflate and confuse the entire issue, the CYA story has evolved that no stand down order was EVER issued by anyone. THAT is a lie straight up. And that lie has added to, and perpetuated, the confusion and chaos that is so welcomed by the admin and the state department.

So WHO ordered the SEALs who were EX military, to stand down BEFORE Chris Stevens and Sean Smith were murdered? THEY did not NEED Cross Border Authority because they were already in country on a NON MILITARY contract. Yet they were specifically ordered by SOMEONE to stand down, not once, but three times and the third order was disobeyed.

By then, Stevens and Smith had already been murdered. The cia, via petraeus, stated that NO ONE in the cia gave the ex SEALs that order. So the question remains, WHO DID? Because THAT person is as responsible for the deaths of those four Anericans as obama is.

IF the order did not come from either the cia OR the pentagon, then all that is left is the state department. THAT means hillary.

Every single American stationed in Benghazi would have died had the SEALs NOT disobeyed direct orders. They deserve more, much more than being called “bumps in the road.”

Travis, help me here.


30 posted on 11/29/2012 5:16:40 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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