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Olympia 10-year-old placed in padded room at school (with video)
King5 News (Seattle) ^ | 23APR2012 | Meg Coyle

Posted on 11/28/2012 6:49:37 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine

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To: wintertime; metmom
The fundamental problem underlying **all** government schooling is that it is compulsory. Compulsion means police and court action. All the children who learned of this incident risk learning to be comfortable with government compulsion.

This statement is a lie. Public education is not compulsory. If it was there would not be private schools, parochial ones, or even homeschooling.

At that Psych hospital are you sure you weren't a resident? Maybe you just imagined being "in charge."

81 posted on 11/30/2012 6:31:18 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga; wintertime

I spent time going to a state college that was renowned as a teacher’s college. Even back in the 70’s the teaching degree was considered the dummy degree.

The courses in math and the sciences were three levels, 101 or 102 for non majors, 105 or 106 for teaching degrees, and 111 or 112 for majors.

Now, all the teaching degree courses were considered of less rigor than even the 101 courses for non-majors. And the teaching degree students who wanted to were not permitted to take the courses for the majors to take a more rigorous course, not by the science or math department, but by the teaching department. They were NOT permitted to take more rigorous courses that would give them a better education in their field of interest and if they did anyway, it would not count towards their teaching degree.

And nobody in their right mind who wanted to take a science or math course would even think of taking a teaching major version of the course.

My best friend wanted to be a teacher and so declared a teaching major and was absolutely appalled at the poor quality of the education she received as a teaching major. She wanted to major in math, which she was superb at, and she knew more math out of high school than her professors were teaching her.

She often showed me what she was doing in her course work and I could not believe it. Mindless drivel.

I asked her sometime later, if during her education that they ever taught her to teach, a question I also asked a relative who is a teacher, and both of them said no. That’s what the student teaching was for and you were expected to learn as you went once you got a job.

I am not ill informed as you contend and I do not believe for one minute that I was lied to by either of those individuals. Too bad the cover was blown.

Licensing does not mean competency. It simply means licensing.

And who determines a *lousy* parent? Teachers? FOTFLOL!!!!!


82 posted on 11/30/2012 7:23:00 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: stubernx98

God bless your wife for giving it a go...


83 posted on 11/30/2012 7:43:04 AM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: metmom
In case you don't realize it the 70’s was a long time ago, believe it or not times change.
My course involved quite a bit of rigor and as said I had two teachers supervising me on TEACHING METHODS and was observed by a Principal and an assistant Principal.
But hey don't let the FACTS get in your way.
84 posted on 11/30/2012 8:05:16 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: catnipman

Really old construction would have been some sort of fuse boxes. That would be intimidating (and dangerous) enough, especially fuses with bare metal ends rather than screw base fuses. And even screw base fuses, you had to not be so much of a klutz as to stick a finger into the open fuse socket.


85 posted on 11/30/2012 11:40:05 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: metmom; verga

This is doubtless rhetorical, not literal. Cheese whiz.


86 posted on 11/30/2012 11:41:35 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: wintertime
"Actually, I do know the meaning of solitary confinement"

Then you know that what happened to this kid in no way resembles that environment.

87 posted on 11/30/2012 1:07:19 PM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: wintertime
we should always ask, “What would happen if a parent did this to a child?”

Well, this kid was put in a room by himself. So what. My kids routinely are sent to their rooms to be isolated WITH the door shut with no other stimuli than a book of their choice, they are allowed nothing else during punishment. This is FAR worse than what this kid was subjected to.
It's called detention and it works. The purpose it to make the child pay the bill with his personal play/free time.

88 posted on 11/30/2012 1:10:42 PM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: FunkyZero; wintertime
Watch out you are going to incur the wrath of wintertime. anyone that does not march in lock step with him/ her will be bullied and harassed like there is no tomorrow.
89 posted on 11/30/2012 1:24:28 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga

Nothing has changed in the way of college education except that across the board, it’s deteriorated.

Which means that teaching degrees are even of less value than they were before.

Teaching degrees are still considered the dummy degrees, the degrees for those who could not handle the rigors of a normal bachelors degree in any subject area.

It was considered that way back in the 70’s and still is looked upon that way.


90 posted on 11/30/2012 1:42:25 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
Well lets see you come and get one then follow it up with a Masters. Come on in the waters fine.

Wait it is beneath you, or some other lame excuse.

91 posted on 11/30/2012 7:38:02 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: FunkyZero
While I agree with you that discipline is vital in the rearing and educating of children the exact measures should be mutually agreed upon in a private setting between the parent and the directors of a private school.

Government schools are **compulsory** for all children who parents can not find or pay for a private alternative. I call these extra expenses, in addition to that paid ( by compulsion) in taxes, “jizya” or “ransom”.

Government school compulsion is enforced by threat of police and court action. That means real bullets in those guns on the hip.

The solution is to begin the privatization of all education. One of blessing of private schooling is that the teachers and principals can dish out in heaping helpings the NON-politically correct advice and warnings that would be impossible in a government school. It could very well be that with early intervention by caring private teachers that the harsh discipline seen in this article's government school would be completely unnecessary.

Did you see the first “Rocky” movie. That was my neighborhood as a child. I attending a Catholic School that educated the poorest children in Philadelphia. No child was ever placed in solitary confinement. Never happened. And...No child was ever expelled. The nuns cared too deeply for every child's soul to even think about expelling a child. Yet...We had orderly classrooms and every child learned to read and do basic math. Some of us even earned doctorates. Why?

Answer: Because in a private school, the nuns were able to freely dispense to the parents some very politically incorrect advice on child rearing. And...New and inexperienced parents had the fellowship of more experienced parents to be their mentors.

If we wish to see the culture improve, see stronger families, and healthier and better behaved children we must begin to privatize all K-12 education in this nation.

Government schools are godless, have never been more than generic and lukewarm in its Protestantism, and are a socialist-fudned and single payer entitlement. Built upon a rotten foundation reform is impossible. Any improvements will only quickly degenerate.

92 posted on 12/01/2012 2:41:24 PM PST by wintertime
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