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To: pepsi_junkie; Mamzelle; redfreedom; concerned about politics; Norm Lenhart; All; ...
pepsi says: I used to think the talk of a fracture in the GOP coalition was liberal talk to try to drive a wedge. I think it was at one time but I think the open contempt for conservatives is winning out and we ought to let them have the party, let them pursue their new base while we look to create our own identity outside the GOP.

Mamzelle says: Maybe the time is for the Unthinkable. Third Party.

Redfreedom says: The time for a third party has never been better.

Concerned says: Once again the tax slaves - the working people - had no one to vote FOR. The Republicans just toss them an old, dry bone once in a while (so they can feed their own children).

Norm Lenhart says: Those who call liberal ideas and candidates ‘conservative’. Plenty infest every remotely conservative site on the web, including this one. We can be serious about who and what we are and believe, or we can keep playing this pathetic game.

Repeat Offender says: "conservatives" sold themselves down the river so "the lesser of two evils," or "at least a Republican" would win. Principles are only matters of convenience and bargaining chips to be squandered away for the sake of "our guy" winning an election. It's how "conservatives" justify calling Myth Romney "pro-life," "pro-family," and pro-gun rights. Even though he supports abortion; queers in the Boy Scouts, queers in the military, and queer "marriage;" and supported, pushed for, and signed anti-gun legislation. But claiming he has "evolved" or outright ignoring the truth helps them sleep at night.

Christie says: The moderates of the GOP-e continue to marginalize the conservatives because they have in their armor, one thing. They say where else will those suckers go.

Functional liberal Democrat Romney is the apex of Republican folly. What the hell is the point of being a Republican if Romney represents you? Yet that damned guy is a friggin' vampire. And there are more throughout the party -- big government statists who determine "rights" the Founders stated came only from God. So Government grants such "rights" as the "right" to health insurance and health care, the "right" of atheists to live without city-funded Christmas decorations, and the "right" of homosexuals to force adoption agencies to accommodate them if a "married" couple wants to adopt. When government starts usurping God in dictating morality, society becomes immoral. The Founders knew this.

The only way to ditch Romney and his ilk is to leave the party. And if the rat bastard tries to register in the new party, he should be kicked to the curb. The hardest fight is going to be choosing a third party to rally around. I fancy the Constitution party myself, not because I know anything about its platform, but because its very name as an immediately communicated third party concept with across-the-board appeal to Americans who are sick and tired of government dictating their morality, their charity, their health care, their income, their retirement, their very homes and property rights -- a party philosophy built around the concept of restoring Constitutional liberty and right to self-determination is a solid rallying point.

Americans are mostly a moral, good people, and honest elections would reflect this. There's a long road to fight, but I kinda think a third party, much feared, is the way to go if only to ditch Romney and the political gangrene he represents.

40 posted on 11/30/2012 7:13:05 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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41 posted on 11/30/2012 7:14:27 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Finny

I was never a Romney hater and I resent you characterizing my comment as hating. I think a Romney win would have been a sign of God’s grace, which I fear has been withdrawn from a sinful nation. He was not my first choice, of course, but I voted for him. And I believe a majority of America voted for him and our present infestation is a usurper. I’m thinking Third Party simply because we have little left to lose.


42 posted on 11/30/2012 7:27:01 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Finny
Amen. It is so amazing how in the run-up to an election the most liberal candidate possible is on the ballot yet the wagons are circled and anyone that points out the candidates flaws is attacked. Yet after the fact so many try to pretend otherwise and finger point.

I unabashedly state I DID NOT vote for Myth, nor will I vote for his GOPE brethren. And that is because I still believe in representative government in this country and they do not represent me. Not the Reagan 75% "I'm your guy" metric; not even 50%

Not on abortion, gay "marriage" (in the military/Boy Scouts etc), taxes, gun rights, foreign policy (arming AQ in Syria etc), not on healthcare, education etc - nary a peep was mentioned in the debates about Benghazi or Fast and Furious to name a few. Many of the issues they don't even care about so they either A - pay lip service to the base or B - pander rather than researching and taking a stand

I feel I am beginning to sound like a broken record but I will reiterate once again that I have posted multiple times the platforms that Myth Romney supports are near the same as those supported by Hillary Clinton [the aforementioned issues] (and 0bama). So the questions I have posed:

If Hillary became an (R) and was running against 0 would you vote for her?

If so/not why/why not?

Not one of the lesser of two evils supporters stuck around to answer.

And the reason is because it destroys every premise they have for throwing their ballot in support of Myth and the other posers in the Stupid Party (R).

Instead it seems many want to poke fun at having any type of principles or moral absolutes and clamor for a 'bigger tent'. The platform needs to change, the base/voters needs to change, we need to reach out to this group or that group and compromise to support xxxxx liberal agenda. How about the party changes (to the platform it is chartered to stand for), or we do away with it?

Conservatives are so ready to boycott JCP, Starbucks, and Target because they support the homo agenda - yet will try to rally support for Myth; why?

Every day the list grows of businesses and media conservatives claim they refuse to support - yet the vote for, and give money to, candidates that support the very things conservatives are claiming to boycott.

Hell, the Wounded Warrior Project was trying to keep a non-political focus and strictly focus on providing assistance to wounded vets yet FReepers were lining up to deride them for not wanting to go on a pro-gun radio show and be viewed as supporting one political cause over another (even though WWP sponsors shooting and hunting events)......and yet

When he ran for the Senate and for governor, he supported a ban on assault rifles and the Brady Bill's five-day waiting period for gun purchases. He proudly said those positions wouldn't make him "the hero of the NRA." As governor, he made Massachusetts the first state to permanently ban assault weapons. He has even flip-flopped about whether he owns any guns. In New Hampshire, he was asked his view on the Second Amendment. He responded that he had been a hunter "pretty much all my life." Later, red-faced aides of Romney had to admit that Romney had never had a hunting license, and under further questioning, Romney acknowledged that his "lifetime of hunting" was having shot at some birds during a Republican governors meeting during a fund-raising event and maybe shooting at "small varmints" when he was seventeen with his cousin.....

Is the guy you voted for.

Selling the rope to hang ourselves with indeed.

44 posted on 11/30/2012 8:01:57 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Finny

We can leave the GOP (I have) or ‘we’ collectively speaking, need to sit down and STFU because by our actions in light of the GOP’s behavior, ‘we’ must want to be the right wing plantation dwellers.

That simple folks. All the ‘feet to the fire’ talk is bs and we all know it. But some still refuse to believe their lyin’ eyes and ears.

The enemy is us. I am sick and tired of repeating the facts to the willfully deaf. We can hang together as conservatives and BE conservatives or just admit we are the GOP and we want liberalism.


46 posted on 11/30/2012 8:23:24 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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