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To: allmendream
Allmendream, you stated

"Let us say some idiot Creationists supposes that “either I got infected with the resistant strain or I didn't - evolution cannot happen” and stops taking their antibiotics as soon as they feel better, but before all the bacteria are dead.

Have you actually done much thinking about Creationism and evolution and (Big-E) Evolution?? Creationists DO NOT believe in stasis, as evidenced by the fact that all of them (or at least the Christian ones) believe that the various races of man differentiated from a single pair of individuals over recent time. In fact, you could say that Creationists believe in rapid De-volution, that is the rapid degeneration of the biosphere. Theologically, this comes from the Christian view that creation is in a state of progressive disarray, an understanding (whether they agree with it or not) that 98% of Evolutionists are utterly clueless about.

William Paley is dead and long gone and so are his ideas. So please re-formulate your objections to Creationism with an eye toward understanding what creationists are saying, not what you imagine they are saying.

57 posted on 12/04/2012 8:21:47 AM PST by cookcounty ("For the first time in my adult life I am not proud of my country.")
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To: cookcounty

So this bacteria “de-evolved” into the highly useful trait of antibiotic resistance?

Please note my first post on this thread - I mentioned the idiotic premise that all change will be maladaptive - “all change will make an organism less fit as it changes it away from the way God created it”.

Obviously that premise doesn’t withstand even a cursory examination of the evidence.


58 posted on 12/04/2012 8:29:23 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: cookcounty

I am Christian. I do not for one second believe that all God’s children were descendants of the Adam and Eve. Most especially since there are two different days of creation written of and about. Genesis 1:26 on the six day uses the plural of they and them. And at the end of chapter 1 God said his creation was good.

In Genesis 2:5 God said there was no man to till the ground, hence He made the farmer. At least a couple of thousand years later (Peter says a day with the LORD is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day) we are given the formation of the Adam... we are not told how long after the Adam was formed God put him to sleep and removed a ‘curve’ and made woman.

Most Christians cannot tell the difference in the two different days of creation of flesh bodies for the souls/spirit to travel this flesh journey.

Interesting to consider the ‘state’ the Adam was initially formed.

Evolution is a hoax, specifically because of the reason given for this flesh age. Christ said to ‘see’ the kingdom of God humans needed to be born of woman... Now that would exclude those first fully formed adults. Adam was not alive - living until the breath of life which means soul was breathed into his nostrils.


61 posted on 12/04/2012 8:35:20 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: cookcounty
You stated that...

“Creationists DO NOT believe in stasis, as evidenced by the fact that all of them (or at least the Christian ones) believe that the various races of man differentiated from a single pair of individuals over recent time. In fact, you could say that Creationists believe in rapid De-volution, that is the rapid degeneration of the biosphere.”

Considering that Northern European populations have pale skin due to inactivation (de-evolution) of genes for dark skin, and lactose tolerance due to inactivation (de-evolution) of the control element that would lead to inactivation of the lactase gene after infancy - wouldn't the logical conclusion be that Norther European populations are de-evolved Africans? That the more perfect state of humanity designed by God was dark skin and lactose intolerance?

Not that there is anything wrong with that - but what do you think of that consequence of your paradigm whereby every evolutionary change is a change AWAY FROM what was originally designed by God - and thus de-evolutionary?

Do you consider Northern Europeans to be a de-evolved example of the more perfect African state of humanity designed by God?

Why not?

89 posted on 12/04/2012 12:14:18 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: cookcounty
You stated that...

“Creationists DO NOT believe in stasis, as evidenced by the fact that all of them (or at least the Christian ones) believe that the various races of man differentiated from a single pair of individuals over recent time. In fact, you could say that Creationists believe in rapid De-volution, that is the rapid degeneration of the biosphere.”

Considering that Northern European populations have pale skin due to inactivation (de-evolution) of genes for dark skin, and lactose tolerance due to inactivation (de-evolution) of the control element that would lead to inactivation of the lactase gene after infancy - wouldn't the logical conclusion be that Norther European populations are de-evolved Africans? That the more perfect state of humanity designed by God was dark skin and lactose intolerance?

Not that there is anything wrong with that - but what do you think of that consequence of your paradigm whereby every evolutionary change is a change AWAY FROM what was originally designed by God - and thus de-evolutionary?

Do you consider Northern Europeans to be a de-evolved example of the more perfect African state of humanity designed by God?

Why not?

90 posted on 12/04/2012 12:14:18 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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