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New York Times investigation uncovers federalism
Daily Caller ^ | 12-3-12 | Jeb Golinkin

Posted on 12/03/2012 5:33:04 AM PST by smokingfrog

A New York Times investigation has uncovered a shocking scandal they would have you believe involves big corporations blackmailing your state government and stealing tax dollars that should be spent on public education. This scandal, though not identified as such in the article, is called federalism. It finds its roots in the 10th Amendment of the United States Constitution.

Granted, the statistical research The Times provides in the piece is invaluable, but the article is confused as to the conclusions that flow from the numbers. The most glaring statistic is the dollar amount of “gifts” (to use Mitt Romney’s phrase) that Texas doles out to corporate America each year: $19 billion. How could this be? Well, according to Sarah Eckhardt, a Travis County commissioner who has purportedly negotiated with evil giants like Apple and Hewlett-Packard, the poor little government folk simply cannot keep up:

“They dictate their terms, and we’re not really in a position to question their deal terms, we don’t have the sophistication or the resources to negotiate with a company that has the wherewithal the size of a country. We are just no match in negotiating with that.”

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: education; federalism; socialreader; taxbreaks

1 posted on 12/03/2012 5:33:09 AM PST by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

One good effect of ubamacare is that it might encourage multiple spinoffs from unwieldy sized corporations of small companies of less than 50 people, the global village result. I personally can’t wait. I despise huge corporations almost as much as I despise huge government


2 posted on 12/03/2012 5:40:58 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: smokingfrog

From the article:

“The Times story also suggests that by granting businesses tax deductions and incentives, states are forgoing revenue that might be better spent on education. And there is certainly an argument to be made that schools ought to be better funded (Texas’ public education system is especially pitiful).”

Actually, TX does pretty well, all things considered. Their test scores and graduation rates *by racial group* are in the top groups in the nation.


3 posted on 12/03/2012 5:40:58 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: smokingfrog

For once I’d like every news organization out there to look at a) how much we’re spending on welfare/foodstamps/housing/etc and b) how much we’re being taxed for it.

With those numbers they could then compare to every other instance of money changing hands in the entire country, and shove every other number up their collective ass.


4 posted on 12/03/2012 5:54:31 AM PST by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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To: smokingfrog
“They dictate their terms, and we’re not really in a position to question their deal terms, we don’t have the sophistication or the resources to negotiate with a company that has the wherewithal the size of a country. We are just no match in negotiating with that.”

The same argument can be used against the government unions - who cost us even more (they're the worst of the two evils).

5 posted on 12/03/2012 5:55:59 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: FreedomPoster
by granting businesses tax deductions and incentives, states are ...

getting in way of the federal government trying to hand out billions to companies for needed kickbacks to democrats

6 posted on 12/03/2012 5:59:29 AM PST by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: smokingfrog; FreedomPoster

:: Texas’ public education system is especially pitiful ::

The author makes a parenthetical claim without evidence. Must be a member of the Journ-O-List.


7 posted on 12/03/2012 6:09:45 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Bread and Circuses; Everyone to the Coliseum!)
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To: TheZMan
For once I’d like every news organization out there to look at a) how much we’re spending on welfare/foodstamps/housing/etc and b) how much we’re being taxed for it.


You'll NEVER hear the left demanding the freeloaders get their own jobs and support themselves - never.
If you have a job and an income, they see you as a target.

8 posted on 12/03/2012 6:10:29 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: yldstrk
One good effect of ubamacare is that it might encourage multiple spinoffs from unwieldy sized corporations of small companies of less than 50 people, the global village result. I personally can’t wait. I despise huge corporations almost as much as I despise huge government

I can't imagine standing against any private enterprise, as it is the backbone of the country. Without it, you life would be quite different.
9 posted on 12/03/2012 6:13:00 AM PST by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: TexasGunLover; yldstrk

The problem occurs when business get so large they opt for lobbying and gov’t rent-seeking as a means to make money, versus product innovation. This happens less with smaller enterprises, and is one of the reasons anti-trust “works”. Though there are still many ill effects from anti-trust.


10 posted on 12/03/2012 6:16:53 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: smokingfrog

I really hate the entrenched thinking of these journalists/liberals.

More revenue for the government = good

More money wasted on education = good


11 posted on 12/03/2012 6:23:14 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Brett66
I really hate the entrenched thinking of these journalists/liberals.
More revenue for the government = good
More money wasted on education = good

Teachers union dues = campaign contributions. The cash all ends up at the same place - the DNC.

12 posted on 12/03/2012 6:33:27 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

They always have to put in digs about Texas. Truth doesn’t matter.

I do know the lottery was supposed to aid schools but doesn’t look
like it’s working. Now some want casinos to come in. Schools will still lose.

- History of “Jackpot” Deductions From Reserve Since 4/23/06 -
As of May 6, 2009 - there is no money in reserve. Shortage will be
paid from TLC’s operating acct or the school fund monies.
(Sales did not support advertised amount)
8/31/06: Deducted <$96,222> from Reserve to fund Lotto Texas jackpot
9/23/06: Deducted <$667,337> from Reserve to fund Lotto Texas jackpot
4/21/07: Deducted <$997,113> from Reserve to fund Lotto Texas jackpot
(Ironically, the 4/21/07 jackpot went unclaimed)
5/23/07: Deducted <$286,575> from Reserve to fund Lotto Texas jackpot
3/29/08: Deducted <$1,136,033> from Reserve to fund Lotto Texas jackpot
4/12/08: Deducted <$1,642,954> from Reserve to fund Lotto Texas jackpot
5/31/08: Deducted <$207,826> from Reserve to fund Lotto Texas jackpot
10/18/08: Deducted <$536,881> from Reserve to fund Lotto Texas jackpot
11/01/08: Deducted <$1,637,943> from Reserve to fund Lotto Texas jackpot
12/06/08: Deducted <$1,712,747> from Reserve to fund Lotto Texas jackpot
12/24/08: Deducted <$2,431,880> from Reserve to fund Lotto Texas jackpot
04/08/09: Deducted <$1,498,238> from Reserve to fund Lotto Texas jackpot
05/06/09: Deducted <$1,344,791> from Reserve to fund Lotto Texas jackpot
(5/6/09 Ticket never claimed. How do we know there was a winning ticket?)

Lotto Texas Reserve Fund Has Been Depleted
07/31/10: Deducted <$1,188,788> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
08/11/10: Deducted <$2,186,208> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
(8/11/10 Ticket never claimed. How do we know there was a winning ticket?)
08/28/10: Deducted <$2,279,721> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
09/15/10: Deducted <$2,308,335> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
10/30/10: Deducted <$2,325,354> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
12/01/10: Deducted <$2,314,246> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
12/04/10: Deducted <$2,002,687> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
03/09/11: Deducted <$322,607> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
04/20/11: Deducted <$1,676,809> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
06/15/11: Deducted <$2,460,040> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
06/22/11: Deducted <$2,204,182> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
09/07/11: Deducted <$3,571,596> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
12/10/11: Deducted <$3,955,105> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
02/15/12: Deducted <$3,724,195> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
05/12/12: Deducted <$4,179,729> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
05/12/12: Deducted <$2,531,093> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
07/28/12: Deducted <$5,950,396> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund
11/07/12: Deducted <$6,870,746> from School fund or TLC operating account to fund


13 posted on 12/03/2012 6:34:09 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF- YOU GET ONE CHOICE, CHOOSE WISELY)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

WTH? I guess I don’t understand fancy funding mechanisms (graft schemes).
I thought you simply adjusted the lottery payouts based on the tickets they sold, the money would already be in the account because you don’t spend money you haven’t collected yet... oh wait, hahahaha!


14 posted on 12/03/2012 6:47:25 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: smokingfrog
I'm confused, how is corporations and states negotiating a deal called "federalism".
I was expecting an article about the Federal Government interfering in state and private business.
I guess I was expecting too much from NYT again.

15 posted on 12/03/2012 6:48:59 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: smokingfrog

Like the title.


16 posted on 12/03/2012 6:53:24 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: BitWielder1
NYT is critical of Texas for doing the same type of thing that it thinks is okay for the Fed Gov to do.
17 posted on 12/03/2012 6:56:19 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: yldstrk

If there were no big corporations that had the capital it requires to mass produce things we need and use, those items would be scarce and expensive.


18 posted on 12/03/2012 7:12:18 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: yldstrk
One good effect of ubamacare is that it might encourage multiple spinoffs from unwieldy sized corporations of small companies of less than 50 people, the global village result. I personally can’t wait. I despise huge corporations almost as much as I despise huge government

Sure. It makes all the sense in the world to drive around in a car made by a SMALL BUSINESS and fly in an airliner made by a SMALL BUSINESS and go to a nice little hospital run by a mom and pop doctor and his nurse. Big business gives economies of scale, innovative production and in the final analysis brings prices down to where peons like us can actually afford a product like a car or TV or an Ipad.. Small businesses are what existed until the Industrial Revolution. People really lived large then didn't they?

19 posted on 12/03/2012 7:15:51 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: smokingfrog
I suspect this is all due to the SECESSION talk from Texas.

Time to make the enemy look bad, which can be a good thing if you think about, keep the riff raff out. Who wants to live in Texas?..... (me)

20 posted on 12/03/2012 7:21:48 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Don Corleone

uh, yeah buddy, personally, I will take the little hospital. Less shifting of blame and responsibility, more attention to the patient.


21 posted on 12/03/2012 7:24:25 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Rusty0604

oh yeeah, GM was a smashing success............NOT


22 posted on 12/03/2012 7:25:55 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

It was until the unions took control. Fact is, when even simple neccesities began being mass produced it made life better and freed people to use their time inventing other things. I’m glad I can go to the store and buy items I need and they are available and affordable. Economies of scale; look it up.


23 posted on 12/03/2012 7:45:35 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: yldstrk

It was until the unions took control. Fact is, when even simple neccesities began being mass produced it made life better and freed people to use their time inventing other things. I’m glad I can go to the store and buy items I need and they are available and affordable. Economies of scale; look it up.


24 posted on 12/03/2012 7:51:16 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: yldstrk

Indeed and the jeep went to China,that Obama guy sure knows how to do business.

/s


25 posted on 12/03/2012 7:53:08 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: yldstrk
I despise huge corporations almost as much as I despise huge government.

Decades of Pavlovian training from the left must have worked on you then. You hate corporations because you've been taught to hate them.

26 posted on 12/03/2012 7:56:46 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: TChris

Corporations have done as much to destroy the republic and states rights as any other entity. Their lobbyists and “we cant have 50 different regulations” mantra has been the engine of the consolidation of power in DC.


27 posted on 12/03/2012 8:00:13 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Corporations have done as much to destroy the republic and states rights as any other entity. Their lobbyists and “we cant have 50 different regulations” mantra has been the engine of the consolidation of power in DC.

So you're arguing that more regulations are better for the "republic and states rights"? Or that decreasing government regulation somehow increases government power?

I'm not following your thinking here.

28 posted on 12/03/2012 8:04:11 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: TChris
So you're arguing that more regulations are better for the "republic and states rights"?

When states could regulate(in lieu of Federal) corporations things were much better. Some states may have felt A was better than B. Some states may have done something different.. It is better that control be pushed down to the state level. If you cannot understand what I am saying you are totally misunderstand the founding of the republic.

29 posted on 12/03/2012 8:33:41 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
When states could regulate(in lieu of Federal) corporations things were much better. Some states may have felt A was better than B. Some states may have done something different.. It is better that control be pushed down to the state level. If you cannot understand what I am saying you are totally misunderstand the founding of the republic.

No, your original claim was that federal regulation is the fault of corporations; that the reason states rights are usurped by the feds is because of corporations.

I'm asking you to explain and/or prove that corporations are the cause of the feds' regulations, and your claim that these corporations lobbying for fewer regulations has somehow caused them.

30 posted on 12/03/2012 9:39:02 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: TChris
Regulations stifle competitions and start up competitors. They are a net benefit to large corporations with staff lawyers.

Before EPA, OSHA etc. and states ran things, a state that had few regulations would be the place start ups could go to incubate. No more.

31 posted on 12/03/2012 10:08:11 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: FreedomPoster
(Snotty Up East article)
....Texas’ public education system is especially pitiful....

Bite me, you subway-slithering frotteur.

It's overloaded with about 10,000,000 children from Sinaloa, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon, Durango, Tamaulipas, Chihuahua, and Morelia. Studying for free, of course -- often indifferently, because Mexican culture puts more emphasis on children working to help the family than on academic success and persistence in pursuing college degrees.

Oh, and that's with lunches.

Meanwhile, there's a tiny, one-room school district in West Texas with 26 entire students. It's one of the best in Texas, and proud to be so.

When New York State's non-citizen service load is proportionate to Texas's, come back and write another article. Until then, F.O.

32 posted on 12/03/2012 11:15:45 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Hanoi toy, McCain's their boy. (Hat tip to FReeper |neverdem|.))
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To: central_va; x
Corporations have done as much to destroy the republic and states rights as any other entity.

Bump.

Corporations had a very great deal to do with propagating the idea that America needed a strong, whip-hand central government to exert "strong control" of the nation's agenda and business environment. Anyone who felt differently got to discover the horrors of civil war.

After the Civil War, Atlantic Slope corporations and proprietors introduced such charming innovations as the tyranny of the clock, scab labor and union-busting, organized mass-immigration to crush wages (the giant ocean liners of J.P. Morgan's half-owned White Star Line were actually conveyor belts for immigrants, whom Morgan's railroads took out to the Great Plains to settle on his railroad land grants issued by the Gilded-Age Republican Congress), gun control (Presser vs. Illinois, a union-busting/gun-possession case, 1885/6), creative ergonomics and time/motion studies (10 engineering draftsmen to a light bulb, assembly-line speedups), and workplace security (the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire, in which hundreds of girls were trapped by fire-escape exits chained shut to prevent girls sneaking out and taking a break). And, of course, the hallowed Ten-Dollar Payoff, in which any Bridget who'd lost her man in an industrial accident got $10 flat and orders to clear off company housing, if her family had any.

33 posted on 12/03/2012 11:29:22 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Hanoi toy, McCain's their boy. (Hat tip to FReeper |neverdem|.))
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To: central_va
Regulations stifle competitions and start up competitors. They are a net benefit to large corporations with staff lawyers.

OK, now THAT I can agree with.

34 posted on 12/03/2012 12:04:21 PM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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