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To: allmendream

“Sure, then apparently neither does the Pope and millions of other Christians. Science is useful. Creationism is useless.”

Apparently so...don’t know about their being Christians—true Christians keep on believing God’s Word.

Jesus didn’t think creationism was useless—
He said this when He was speaking to the Pharisees, the religious leaders of His day in Matthew 19:4: “He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE,”...[a quote of Genesis 1:27].

Jesus should know, for He was with God in the beginning when God spoke everything into being and then formed man and blew the breath of life into him. God says it like this in the gospel of John:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. [John 1:1-5}

And then, in John 1:9-14:

There was the true light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

As far as the millions who don’t believe God, in Matthew 7:13-23 Jesus says says that the gate to life is narrow and small, and He gives a warning:

“Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it.

Beward of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord,
Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’

And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

Jesus said that He is the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me,

May the Lord give you the grace to hear these words of His and act upon them. (Matthew 7:24-29)


106 posted on 12/06/2012 5:25:21 PM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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To: TurkeyLurkey

Piety is not established on a sliding scale of how whacked out your cosmology is. Young earth creationists are not automatically more pious than old earth creationists.

A F R poster once claimed that all Bible believing Christians are geocentrists. Are you a geocentrist? Are you a Bible believing Christian? Do you think the Earth does not move because the Bible says so? Did you stop believing the Word?


107 posted on 12/06/2012 5:54:19 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: TurkeyLurkey; allmendream; metmom; tacticalogic

I wish some of these exclusionary folks would simply meditate on this exclusionary verse before spouting off about others damning them to hell.

“Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it.”

According to some other verses God knows the true conditions of everyone’s heart. He never says being duped by the lies and liars of this world would doom anyone to hell rather what one chooses to do re: Jesus as their own personal Saviour and their words and actions reflecting upon the eternal condition within said heart.

You prolly still don’t get it, do you amd? Course if you like science by consensus / majority positions then why not also for one’s spiritual beliefs eh?


128 posted on 12/07/2012 11:19:43 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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